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I'm not sure what your problem is - why shouldn't the USCG be able to board a US
flagged ship? Why would this offend others around the world? "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 7... "Jeff Morris" wrote in : However, being a US flagged vessel means that it can be boarded and searched anywhere in the world by US authorities. Maybe we should send a cutter to the Adriatic to help close the budget deficit. Another fine example of American thinking on how to make friends around the world! Then again we're doing a great job with our current policies. -- Geoff |
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In the article which prompted your response it was stated that US
flagged vessels are being operated by non-English speaking individuals. From your statement it appears that you want to US coastguard to board these vessels based upon their language and potentially sieze them. Most people would call this "racial profiling." There's nothing in the US consitution or US Coastguard documentation regulations which requires anyone to speak English. I know plenty of Croation people who are US citizens who do not speak English. Sending a Coastguard cutter to harass non-English speaking individuals, who may be well within the law, seems to be a poor idea. As someone who cruises 7+ month per year out of the country I can assure you that the US has a poor enough world image as it is. -- Geoff "Jeff Morris" wrote in : I'm not sure what your problem is - why shouldn't the USCG be able to board a US flagged ship? Why would this offend others around the world? "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 7... "Jeff Morris" wrote in : However, being a US flagged vessel means that it can be boarded and searched anywhere in the world by US authorities. Maybe we should send a cutter to the Adriatic to help close the budget deficit. Another fine example of American thinking on how to make friends around the world! Then again we're doing a great job with our current policies. -- Geoff |
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Total hogwash! Have you left your brain ashore?
The article never mentioned "non-English speaking," it mentioned "Slovenian nationals," which I take to imply non-US-citizens. While documentation does not require knowledge of English, it absolutely requires US citizenship. The poster described a situation where, if true, people are fraudulently claiming to be US citizens to gain some protection of traveling under a US flag. I never suggested boarding boats based on the linguistic abilities of the crew; on the contrary, I was suggesting checking out boats that were flying a US flag, nominally claiming to be US citizens. Frankly my comments were a bit sarcastic, because I doubt the practice mentioned is widespread. However, if it is common, it should be stopped because it does not bode well for those of who legitimately travel under the US flag. "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 7... In the article which prompted your response it was stated that US flagged vessels are being operated by non-English speaking individuals. From your statement it appears that you want to US coastguard to board these vessels based upon their language and potentially sieze them. Most people would call this "racial profiling." There's nothing in the US consitution or US Coastguard documentation regulations which requires anyone to speak English. I know plenty of Croation people who are US citizens who do not speak English. Sending a Coastguard cutter to harass non-English speaking individuals, who may be well within the law, seems to be a poor idea. As someone who cruises 7+ month per year out of the country I can assure you that the US has a poor enough world image as it is. -- Geoff "Jeff Morris" wrote in : I'm not sure what your problem is - why shouldn't the USCG be able to board a US flagged ship? Why would this offend others around the world? "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 7... "Jeff Morris" wrote in : However, being a US flagged vessel means that it can be boarded and searched anywhere in the world by US authorities. Maybe we should send a cutter to the Adriatic to help close the budget deficit. Another fine example of American thinking on how to make friends around the world! Then again we're doing a great job with our current policies. -- Geoff |
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It's hardly hogwash. What was stated was their nationality, not their
citizenship! And I'd guess that was determined by their language as I doubt that anyone checked their passports. I can believe that this was scarcastic, but everyone doesn't know your sense of humor. I can just imagine a non-US citizen reading this article and repeating that US citizens suggesting sending the Coast Guard to board US flagged vessels with foreigner speaking people aboard. I've been amazed at what foreign cruisers have told me that they've read on US Internet sites. Perhaps there's just as much rhetoric on non- US/non-English web sites, but since the majority of American's can't read them (myself included), we don't know. What I wonder is what protection a US documented vessel would provide a non-US citizen. -- Geoff "Jeff Morris" wrote in : Total hogwash! Have you left your brain ashore? The article never mentioned "non-English speaking," it mentioned "Slovenian nationals," which I take to imply non-US-citizens. While documentation does not require knowledge of English, it absolutely requires US citizenship. The poster described a situation where, if true, people are fraudulently claiming to be US citizens to gain some protection of traveling under a US flag. I never suggested boarding boats based on the linguistic abilities of the crew; on the contrary, I was suggesting checking out boats that were flying a US flag, nominally claiming to be US citizens. Frankly my comments were a bit sarcastic, because I doubt the practice mentioned is widespread. However, if it is common, it should be stopped because it does not bode well for those of who legitimately travel under the US flag. "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 7... In the article which prompted your response it was stated that US flagged vessels are being operated by non-English speaking individuals. From your statement it appears that you want to US coastguard to board these vessels based upon their language and potentially sieze them. Most people would call this "racial profiling." There's nothing in the US consitution or US Coastguard documentation regulations which requires anyone to speak English. I know plenty of Croation people who are US citizens who do not speak English. Sending a Coastguard cutter to harass non-English speaking individuals, who may be well within the law, seems to be a poor idea. As someone who cruises 7+ month per year out of the country I can assure you that the US has a poor enough world image as it is. -- Geoff "Jeff Morris" wrote in : I'm not sure what your problem is - why shouldn't the USCG be able to board a US flagged ship? Why would this offend others around the world? "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 7... "Jeff Morris" wrote in : However, being a US flagged vessel means that it can be boarded and searched anywhere in the world by US authorities. Maybe we should send a cutter to the Adriatic to help close the budget deficit. Another fine example of American thinking on how to make friends around the world! Then again we're doing a great job with our current policies. -- Geoff |
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JAXAshby wrote:
geoffie, the US CG can and does board US flagged vessels on the high seas. Right. And the Dalmatian coast is not the hight seas until 20 or 50 or whatever number miles offshore. within that zone the US coastguard would not have any jurisdiction. Arguably neither would it have any jurisdiction on the high seas, as the high seas are not gouverned by any nation. Apart from telling everybody off, which I assume you enjoy Jax, can you tell us what OP should do to export a US registered/documented vessel, but still be able to use it over there? I dont think he is interested in flying a US flag anyway, he just wants to buy a US boat and sail it. [...] -- vriendelijke groeten/kind regards, Jelle begin msblaster.pif |
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"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
. .. It's hardly hogwash. What was stated was their nationality, not their citizenship! And I'd guess that was determined by their language as I doubt that anyone checked their passports. It was pretty clear that when the poster said "Slovenian nationals" he meant Slovenian citizens. His followup confirms that. I can believe that this was scarcastic, but everyone doesn't know your sense of humor. I can just imagine a non-US citizen reading this article and repeating that US citizens suggesting sending the Coast Guard to board US flagged vessels with foreigner speaking people aboard. What if there were thousands of non-US-citizens using fake US passports? Do you think this might be of interest to Americans? I've been amazed at what foreign cruisers have told me that they've read on US Internet sites. I've been amazed by what I've read on foreign sites! Perhaps there's just as much rhetoric on non- US/non-English web sites, but since the majority of American's can't read them (myself included), we don't know. What I wonder is what protection a US documented vessel would provide a non-US citizen. We can guess a lot, if non-citizens are willing to perjure thmeselves and put their boats at risk to obtain the papers. -- Geoff "Jeff Morris" wrote in : Total hogwash! Have you left your brain ashore? The article never mentioned "non-English speaking," it mentioned "Slovenian nationals," which I take to imply non-US-citizens. While documentation does not require knowledge of English, it absolutely requires US citizenship. The poster described a situation where, if true, people are fraudulently claiming to be US citizens to gain some protection of traveling under a US flag. I never suggested boarding boats based on the linguistic abilities of the crew; on the contrary, I was suggesting checking out boats that were flying a US flag, nominally claiming to be US citizens. Frankly my comments were a bit sarcastic, because I doubt the practice mentioned is widespread. However, if it is common, it should be stopped because it does not bode well for those of who legitimately travel under the US flag. "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 7... In the article which prompted your response it was stated that US flagged vessels are being operated by non-English speaking individuals. From your statement it appears that you want to US coastguard to board these vessels based upon their language and potentially sieze them. Most people would call this "racial profiling." There's nothing in the US consitution or US Coastguard documentation regulations which requires anyone to speak English. I know plenty of Croation people who are US citizens who do not speak English. Sending a Coastguard cutter to harass non-English speaking individuals, who may be well within the law, seems to be a poor idea. As someone who cruises 7+ month per year out of the country I can assure you that the US has a poor enough world image as it is. -- Geoff "Jeff Morris" wrote in : I'm not sure what your problem is - why shouldn't the USCG be able to board a US flagged ship? Why would this offend others around the world? "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 7... "Jeff Morris" wrote in : However, being a US flagged vessel means that it can be boarded and searched anywhere in the world by US authorities. Maybe we should send a cutter to the Adriatic to help close the budget deficit. Another fine example of American thinking on how to make friends around the world! Then again we're doing a great job with our current policies. -- Geoff |
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In the article which prompted your response it was stated that US
flagged vessels are being operated by non-English speaking individuals. no, not non-English-speaking (note the required second hyphon) individuals, but rather non-US-citizens operating US documented vessels. this is illegal, and the US CG has a legal right to board US-flagged vessel anywhere in the world. If the vessel is operated by a non-citizen, the CG has a right -- indeed, a duty -- to sieze the vessel. you don't like that, don't operate a US-flagged vessel as a non-citizen. what the hell do yo expect, dood? |
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I know plenty of
Croation people who are US citizens who do not speak English. no you don't. you can't get to be a US citizen without knowing English (unless you were born in the US, in which makes not knowing English unlikely). you can't pass the tests to become a citizen otherwise. |
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