"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the
air and oceans of the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes,
and diesel noise.



By riding in a diesel powered bus? WTF is that proving?

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the
air and oceans of the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes,
and diesel noise.

By riding in a diesel powered bus? WTF is that proving?

Dozens or more ride a bus while one or two burn about the same amount of
diesel aboard a yacht. And, some busses these days are using propane which is
much cleaner than diesel which is a primitive engine and a dirty fuel.

The pollution level per capita is much much less for a tour bus than for a
private yacht.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:56:09 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the
air and oceans of the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes,
and diesel noise.

By riding in a diesel powered bus? WTF is that proving?

Dozens or more ride a bus while one or two burn about the same amount of
diesel aboard a yacht. And, some busses these days are using propane which is
much cleaner than diesel which is a primitive engine and a dirty fuel.

The pollution level per capita is much much less for a tour bus than for a
private yacht.

Wilbur Hubbard

What utter Bull ****. A 500 HP bus compared with a 50 HP auxiliary
motor.

But more to the point.... How would an arm-chair sailor know all this
technical information? Read it in a magazine, or course.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:40:36 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah yes, the armchair sailor KNOWS! (of course you do, you read it in a
magazine)

--
Cheers,
Bruce

In article s.com,
lid says...

"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

LOL---make sure to find an electric tour bus---you wouldn't want to be
the reason for even more diesel pollution!


Mark Borgerson

On 10/11/2012 5:12 AM, Bruce wrote:

Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)


Slocum had an engine in Spray? What sort? Seems odd to me.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:31:40 -0600, slide
wrote:

On 10/11/2012 5:12 AM, Bruce wrote:

Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)


Slocum had an engine in Spray? What sort? Seems odd to me.


I believe that you miss-read. He was talking about the veracity of
sailing writers as they were essentially writing a story in order to
sell it.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:12:20 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Slocum had no engine. He ended up being lost at sea, not on the beach
drinking royalties.

Casady

On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:07:13 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:12:20 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Slocum had no engine. He ended up being lost at sea, not on the beach
drinking royalties.

Casady

Read up on his round the world voyage. He contacted newspapers in
every port he entered to publish a notice that Capt. Slocum and the
Spray were in port on a single handed round the world voyage and you
could actually go aboard the Spray upon payment of money. He had
contacted a publisher and made a deal to write a book before he sailed
and the book was an international best seller.

He apparently died on a voyage to the West Indies in 1909 although no
wreckage or other evidence was ever found. He was declared dead in
1924.

The fact that the Spray did not have an engine was hardly an unusual
situation in 1895.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:07:13 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:12:20 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Slocum had no engine. He ended up being lost at sea, not on the beach
drinking royalties.

Casady

Read up on his round the world voyage. He contacted newspapers in
every port he entered to publish a notice that Capt. Slocum and the
Spray were in port on a single handed round the world voyage and you
could actually go aboard the Spray upon payment of money. He had
contacted a publisher and made a deal to write a book before he sailed
and the book was an international best seller.

He apparently died on a voyage to the West Indies in 1909 although no
wreckage or other evidence was ever found. He was declared dead in
1924.

The fact that the Spray did not have an engine was hardly an unusual
situation in 1895.

True! Those were the REAL sailors and those where honest times. Too bad the
passage of a century and some odd years has turned all too many sailors into
engine-addicted non-sailors who write to their pals about a short leg of a
voyage and the FIRST thing they proudly proclaim as an accomplishment is how
much diesel fuel they've burned in their stink pot engines.

Slocum's book about his voyage alone around the world was/is a best-seller
because it's interesting. It's all about sailing and the sailing life. All
about harnessing the winds and currents and making ones way without fuss
around the world.

Do you think he could have sold as many books writing a book about his
auxiliary sailboat in which the first thing he talked about was how he burned
363 gallons in what amounts to a short hop from port to port? No harnessing
the elements and living in harmony with the sea but plenty of bull headed
burning of fuel and polluting the air and water? Most certainly not! People
would be bored halfway to death as there is nothing interesting about putting
an engine in gear, turning on the autopilot and going below to scratch one's
ass for days at a time. This is the life of motor heads. Drab, boring, stupid,
useless and wasteful. And, BTW, motor-sailers as a class of vessels are little
more than sail-assisted motor boats. Might as well get a trawler with a riding
sail and at least be honest about it.

Wilbur Hubbard