Hi

Anyone comment on the alcohol in today's fuels? It seems there are very much
fewer stations around supplying fuel without the alcohol.

Is this alcohol causing problems with any components in the system? Eating
the neoprene or rubbers? How about the fitch injectors on the evinrudes. The
manual specifically states not to use the alcohol in the fuel but I cannot
find where to buy the fuel without alcohol. Some locals are talking about a
blue enzyme to put in. Some are taling about lead additives. Anyone have any
comments? Should I be worried?

Still running some gunk through the 9.9, thanks for all the advice and tips.
No real improvements yet so might have to take off the carb as Wilbur has
suggested. Thanks again all for any great advice.

On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:55:03 -0400, "Tom" wrote:

Hi

Anyone comment on the alcohol in today's fuels? It seems there are very much
fewer stations around supplying fuel without the alcohol.

Is this alcohol causing problems with any components in the system? Eating
the neoprene or rubbers? How about the fitch injectors on the evinrudes. The
manual specifically states not to use the alcohol in the fuel but I cannot
find where to buy the fuel without alcohol. Some locals are talking about a
blue enzyme to put in. Some are taling about lead additives. Anyone have any
comments? Should I be worried?

Still running some gunk through the 9.9, thanks for all the advice and tips.
No real improvements yet so might have to take off the carb as Wilbur has
suggested. Thanks again all for any great advice.


From all I read, nearly all "gasoline" sold in the U.S. contains an
"oxidizer" and likely some alcohol. When the first reports about
gasohol, gasoline/alcohol mixes was publicized it was stated that some
fuel systems contained seals that were not compatible with the new
gas/alchy mixes. In other words, the new fuel might eat the seals out
of your carb but wouldn't make the piston rings explode.

If you want "pure" gasoline go down to any airport that supports light
airplanes, you know, Piper cubs, Taylorcraft, home builts, and others
of the same ilk. They sell straight, old time, gasoline fuel.

Interesting, I have a couple small airports not far and can ask them. I
remember they had the aviation fuel which was higher octain to prevent carb
freeze ups on the older planes.

I remember also they sold the fuel from Esso in the 45gal drum. I think
there is a wholesaler like that near also who sells by the barrell and is
knowledgable about our local fuel content and should ask those guys. Maybe
they will sell me a drum or two of exactly what I should be using because
that is all I really use in a season and it would be easier to fuel it that
way. Maybe cheaper. thnx for the ideas





"B ruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:55:03 -0400, "Tom" wrote:

Hi

Anyone comment on the alcohol in today's fuels? It seems there are very
much
fewer stations around supplying fuel without the alcohol.

Is this alcohol causing problems with any components in the system? Eating
the neoprene or rubbers? How about the fitch injectors on the evinrudes.
The
manual specifically states not to use the alcohol in the fuel but I cannot
find where to buy the fuel without alcohol. Some locals are talking about
a
blue enzyme to put in. Some are taling about lead additives. Anyone have
any
comments? Should I be worried?

Still running some gunk through the 9.9, thanks for all the advice and
tips.
No real improvements yet so might have to take off the carb as Wilbur has
suggested. Thanks again all for any great advice.


From all I read, nearly all "gasoline" sold in the U.S. contains an
"oxidizer" and likely some alcohol. When the first reports about
gasohol, gasoline/alcohol mixes was publicized it was stated that some
fuel systems contained seals that were not compatible with the new
gas/alchy mixes. In other words, the new fuel might eat the seals out
of your carb but wouldn't make the piston rings explode.

If you want "pure" gasoline go down to any airport that supports light
airplanes, you know, Piper cubs, Taylorcraft, home builts, and others
of the same ilk. They sell straight, old time, gasoline fuel.

On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:51:48 -0400, "Tom" wrote:

Interesting, I have a couple small airports not far and can ask them. I
remember they had the aviation fuel which was higher octain to prevent carb
freeze ups on the older planes.

You probably need to read up a bit on gasoline. "Higher Octane" simply
means tat the fuel doesn't detonate as readily so can be used in a
higher compression engine. It really has nothing to do with the power
latent in the fuel.


I remember also they sold the fuel from Esso in the 45gal drum. I think
there is a wholesaler like that near also who sells by the barrell and is
knowledgable about our local fuel content and should ask those guys. Maybe
they will sell me a drum or two of exactly what I should be using because
that is all I really use in a season and it would be easier to fuel it that
way. Maybe cheaper. thnx for the ideas

They might very well buy fuel by the barrel as likely they aren't
using a lot of fuel so keeping it in barrels makes a lot of sense. and
if you are using a drum a year then you might buy it that way. Or, you
might get a 20 gal. portable tank and visit the airport every couple
of weeks.


"B ruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:55:03 -0400, "Tom" wrote:

Hi

Anyone comment on the alcohol in today's fuels? It seems there are very
much
fewer stations around supplying fuel without the alcohol.

Is this alcohol causing problems with any components in the system? Eating
the neoprene or rubbers? How about the fitch injectors on the evinrudes.
The
manual specifically states not to use the alcohol in the fuel but I cannot
find where to buy the fuel without alcohol. Some locals are talking about
a
blue enzyme to put in. Some are taling about lead additives. Anyone have
any
comments? Should I be worried?

Still running some gunk through the 9.9, thanks for all the advice and
tips.
No real improvements yet so might have to take off the carb as Wilbur has
suggested. Thanks again all for any great advice.


From all I read, nearly all "gasoline" sold in the U.S. contains an
"oxidizer" and likely some alcohol. When the first reports about
gasohol, gasoline/alcohol mixes was publicized it was stated that some
fuel systems contained seals that were not compatible with the new
gas/alchy mixes. In other words, the new fuel might eat the seals out
of your carb but wouldn't make the piston rings explode.

If you want "pure" gasoline go down to any airport that supports light
airplanes, you know, Piper cubs, Taylorcraft, home builts, and others
of the same ilk. They sell straight, old time, gasoline fuel.

On 6/23/12 10:51 PM, Tom wrote:
Interesting, I have a couple small airports not far and can ask them. I
remember they had the aviation fuel which was higher octain to prevent
carb freeze ups on the older planes.

I remember also they sold the fuel from Esso in the 45gal drum. I think
there is a wholesaler like that near also who sells by the barrell and
is knowledgable about our local fuel content and should ask those guys.
Maybe they will sell me a drum or two of exactly what I should be using
because that is all I really use in a season and it would be easier to
fuel it that way. Maybe cheaper. thnx for the ideas





"B ruce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:55:03 -0400, "Tom" wrote:

Hi

Anyone comment on the alcohol in today's fuels? It seems there are
very much
fewer stations around supplying fuel without the alcohol.

Is this alcohol causing problems with any components in the system?
Eating
the neoprene or rubbers? How about the fitch injectors on the
evinrudes. The
manual specifically states not to use the alcohol in the fuel but I
cannot
find where to buy the fuel without alcohol. Some locals are talking
about a
blue enzyme to put in. Some are taling about lead additives. Anyone
have any
comments? Should I be worried?

Still running some gunk through the 9.9, thanks for all the advice
and tips.
No real improvements yet so might have to take off the carb as Wilbur
has
suggested. Thanks again all for any great advice.


From all I read, nearly all "gasoline" sold in the U.S. contains an
"oxidizer" and likely some alcohol. When the first reports about
gasohol, gasoline/alcohol mixes was publicized it was stated that some
fuel systems contained seals that were not compatible with the new
gas/alchy mixes. In other words, the new fuel might eat the seals out
of your carb but wouldn't make the piston rings explode.

If you want "pure" gasoline go down to any airport that supports light
airplanes, you know, Piper cubs, Taylorcraft, home builts, and others
of the same ilk. They sell straight, old time, gasoline fuel.





My experience is only anecdotal, but I ran gasoline out of the gas
station pump for nearly 20 years in a variety of Mercury and Yamaha
outboards, two strokes and four strokes, and *never* had a fuel-related
problem, even though the "deadly ethanol" was a component of the fuel
for those years. I also run gas station pump fuel in my lawn tractor,
lawn mower, chain saw and string trimmer, and don't have fuel-related
problems with those devices, either.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:09:19 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

My experience is only anecdotal, but I ran gasoline out of the gas
station pump for nearly 20 years in a variety of Mercury and Yamaha
outboards, two strokes and four strokes, and *never* had a fuel-related
problem, even though the "deadly ethanol" was a component of the fuel
for those years. I also run gas station pump fuel in my lawn tractor,
lawn mower, chain saw and string trimmer, and don't have fuel-related
problems with those devices, either.

===

I think it depends partly on the climate. I rarely had fuel issues
when we were living in the northeast but here is south Florida
carburetor issues are rampant on all kinds of engines unless they are
frequently used or run completely out of fuel before sitting idle.
The newer 4 stroke marine engines seem particularly vulnerable,
perhaps because of smaller carburetor passages as one mechanic
explained it to me.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:09:19 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

My experience is only anecdotal, but I ran gasoline out of the gas
station pump for nearly 20 years in a variety of Mercury and Yamaha
outboards, two strokes and four strokes, and *never* had a fuel-related
problem, even though the "deadly ethanol" was a component of the fuel
for those years. I also run gas station pump fuel in my lawn tractor,
lawn mower, chain saw and string trimmer, and don't have fuel-related
problems with those devices, either.

===

I think it depends partly on the climate. I rarely had fuel issues
when we were living in the northeast but here is south Florida
carburetor issues are rampant on all kinds of engines unless they are
frequently used or run completely out of fuel before sitting idle.
The newer 4 stroke marine engines seem particularly vulnerable,
perhaps because of smaller carburetor passages as one mechanic
explained it to me.




BINGO!!! It doesn't take but a coating of lacquered-up stale fuel to clog
them. All the stuff one squirts into the venturi doesn't do a lick of good
because it never reaches the source of the problem. The only way to deal
with the clogs is to remove and disassemble the carb and manually clean
the orifices (jets). The other option is a disassembled soak in carburetor
cleaner but sometimes even that doesn't remove the clog from the tiny
low-speed jet.

My little Tohatsu 6HP sometimes sits for a month or two between uses. I
always run the engine until the float bowl is pulled dry. It starts on the
first or second pull always and runs like new. But, even then, I have to
sniff the gasoline in the 3.5 gallon tank and when it begins to smell rank
I dispose of it and buy fresh gasoline. I buy the EC 90 fuel which has no
alcohol but costs about 40-50 cents per gallon more. It's worth it because
it stores longer without going bad.

Wilbur Hubbard

A few Sunoco Stations in Central Florida (Polk County) offer
a 90 Octane alcohol free fuel aimed at the marine market.
Regards,
JR

"B ruce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:55:03 -0400, "Tom" wrote:

Hi

Anyone comment on the alcohol in today's fuels? It seems there are very
much
fewer stations around supplying fuel without the alcohol.

Is this alcohol causing problems with any components in the system? Eating
the neoprene or rubbers? How about the fitch injectors on the evinrudes.
The
manual specifically states not to use the alcohol in the fuel but I cannot
find where to buy the fuel without alcohol. Some locals are talking about
a
blue enzyme to put in. Some are taling about lead additives. Anyone have
any
comments? Should I be worried?

Still running some gunk through the 9.9, thanks for all the advice and
tips.
No real improvements yet so might have to take off the carb as Wilbur has
suggested. Thanks again all for any great advice.


From all I read, nearly all "gasoline" sold in the U.S. contains an
"oxidizer" and likely some alcohol. When the first reports about
gasohol, gasoline/alcohol mixes was publicized it was stated that some
fuel systems contained seals that were not compatible with the new
gas/alchy mixes. In other words, the new fuel might eat the seals out
of your carb but wouldn't make the piston rings explode.

If you want "pure" gasoline go down to any airport that supports light
airplanes, you know, Piper cubs, Taylorcraft, home builts, and others
of the same ilk. They sell straight, old time, gasoline fuel.

"JR" wrote in message
...
A few Sunoco Stations in Central Florida (Polk County) offer
a 90 Octane alcohol free fuel aimed at the marine market.
Regards,
JR

An addendum;
When buying fuel for my truck a few weeks ago @ $3.90/gal,
the 90 octane alcohol free fuel was $4.50/gal.



"B ruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:55:03 -0400, "Tom" wrote:

Hi

Anyone comment on the alcohol in today's fuels? It seems there are very
much
fewer stations around supplying fuel without the alcohol.

Is this alcohol causing problems with any components in the system?
Eating
the neoprene or rubbers? How about the fitch injectors on the evinrudes.
The
manual specifically states not to use the alcohol in the fuel but I
cannot
find where to buy the fuel without alcohol. Some locals are talking about
a
blue enzyme to put in. Some are taling about lead additives. Anyone have
any
comments? Should I be worried?

Still running some gunk through the 9.9, thanks for all the advice and
tips.
No real improvements yet so might have to take off the carb as Wilbur has
suggested. Thanks again all for any great advice.


From all I read, nearly all "gasoline" sold in the U.S. contains an
"oxidizer" and likely some alcohol. When the first reports about
gasohol, gasoline/alcohol mixes was publicized it was stated that some
fuel systems contained seals that were not compatible with the new
gas/alchy mixes. In other words, the new fuel might eat the seals out
of your carb but wouldn't make the piston rings explode.

If you want "pure" gasoline go down to any airport that supports light
airplanes, you know, Piper cubs, Taylorcraft, home builts, and others
of the same ilk. They sell straight, old time, gasoline fuel.

On 6/24/12 4:26 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:09:19 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

My experience is only anecdotal, but I ran gasoline out of the gas
station pump for nearly 20 years in a variety of Mercury and Yamaha
outboards, two strokes and four strokes, and *never* had a fuel-related
problem, even though the "deadly ethanol" was a component of the fuel
for those years. I also run gas station pump fuel in my lawn tractor,
lawn mower, chain saw and string trimmer, and don't have fuel-related
problems with those devices, either.

===

I think it depends partly on the climate. I rarely had fuel issues
when we were living in the northeast but here is south Florida
carburetor issues are rampant on all kinds of engines unless they are
frequently used or run completely out of fuel before sitting idle.
The newer 4 stroke marine engines seem particularly vulnerable,
perhaps because of smaller carburetor passages as one mechanic
explained it to me.



Two of my Yamahas were four strokes. Both had external, as well as
internal, fuel filters. Perhaps that helped. My lawn tractor, with a two
cylinder Kawasaki engine, sometimes sits over the winter with a few
gallons of gas in it. In the spring, it starts right up, as soon as I
top off the battery. The two cycle tools usually go through the winter
with dry tanks. I know plenty of folks have had problems with ethanol
fuel but, knock on plastic, so far I haven't.