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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no sailing content at all. Could this have anything to do with the fact that the man has been languishing in Thailand for over thirty-five years now while his ill-found motorsailer slowly turns to rubbish while tied to a dock and serves only as a slum residence. Bruce's ignorance even extends to not understanding how a little auxiliary outboard on the transom allows a blue water sailor to negotiate narrow channels that might harbor adverse winds and currents. Bruce doesn't understand how this very motor can be removed from the transom in a couple of minutes and stowed away below out of sight and out of mind until it might be needed at the other end of an offshore or coastal voyage. It's difficult for an old man with 35-year-old memories to even comprehend what a small, modern, 4-stroke outboard engine can do. People like Bruce remain stuck in the antique Perkins diesel or Atomic 4 gasoline bilge engine era. But, I try to humor the Rube along as best as I can as I understand all the man has is antique memories and most of those involve failure to complete his planned circumnavigation. All these years that have passed since his venture ground to a halt and he ended up stranded in a third-world backwater have only served to give him plenty of time to rationalize his failings at sailing. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no sailing content at all. No. Not really. He explains it very clearly. It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says. ESPECIALLY Bruce. -- Richard Lamb |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no sailing content at all. No. Not really. He explains it very clearly. It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says. ESPECIALLY Bruce. Yes, of course. Bruce is a has-been. His sailing knowledge base is outdated by about 35 years which is about the time he retired from sailing. He's been living aboard at a dock in Thailand since. What could the Rube possibly have to say that was worth hearing considering my experience? Especially when you consider the fact that I still sail and I don't live at a dock but have been cruising and living on the hook and sailing and passage-making and generally living the sailing life actively for 25 years, why would I need or want to listen to some amateur who has such outdated sailing knowledge. And his boat is one of those too-big abominations that pretty much guarantee failure. And, he's married which also just about guarantees failure. He's everything a good sailor is NOT. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no sailing content at all. No. Not really. He explains it very clearly. It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says. ESPECIALLY Bruce. Yes, of course. Bruce is a has-been. His sailing knowledge base is outdated by about 35 years which is about the time he retired from sailing. He's been living aboard at a dock in Thailand since. What could the Rube possibly have to say that was worth hearing considering my experience? Especially when you consider the fact that I still sail and I don't live at a dock but have been cruising and living on the hook and sailing and passage-making and generally living the sailing life actively for 25 years, why would I need or want to listen to some amateur who has such outdated sailing knowledge. And his boat is one of those too-big abominations that pretty much guarantee failure. And, he's married which also just about guarantees failure. He's everything a good sailor is NOT. Wilbur Hubbard Not short on arrogance, are you... -- Richard Lamb |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no sailing content at all. No. Not really. He explains it very clearly. It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says. ESPECIALLY Bruce. Yes, of course. Bruce is a has-been. His sailing knowledge base is outdated by about 35 years which is about the time he retired from sailing. He's been living aboard at a dock in Thailand since. What could the Rube possibly have to say that was worth hearing considering my experience? Especially when you consider the fact that I still sail and I don't live at a dock but have been cruising and living on the hook and sailing and passage-making and generally living the sailing life actively for 25 years, why would I need or want to listen to some amateur who has such outdated sailing knowledge. And his boat is one of those too-big abominations that pretty much guarantee failure. And, he's married which also just about guarantees failure. He's everything a good sailor is NOT. Wilbur Hubbard Not short on arrogance, are you... To a novice, competence, experience and unabashed pride in a job well-done often appears to be arrogance. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
To a novice, competence, experience and unabashed pride in a job well-done often appears to be arrogance. Wilbur Hubbard Arrogance — adj having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit, ability, etc; conceited; overbearingly proud: an arrogant teacher ; an arrogant assumption. from Latin arrogāre to claim as one's own |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
To a novice, competence, experience and unabashed pride in a job well-done often appears to be arrogance. Wilbur Hubbard But what have those attribute to do with you, willy? I've seen your boat. It's just this side of a derelict. |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:51:09 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message ... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no sailing content at all. No. Not really. He explains it very clearly. It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says. ESPECIALLY Bruce. Yes, of course. Bruce is a has-been. His sailing knowledge base is outdated by about 35 years which is about the time he retired from sailing. He's been living aboard at a dock in Thailand since. What could the Rube possibly have to say that was worth hearing considering my experience? Especially when you consider the fact that I still sail and I don't live at a dock but have been cruising and living on the hook and sailing and passage-making and generally living the sailing life actively for 25 years, why would I need or want to listen to some amateur who has such outdated sailing knowledge. And his boat is one of those too-big abominations that pretty much guarantee failure. And, he's married which also just about guarantees failure. He's everything a good sailor is NOT. Wilbur Hubbard Not short on arrogance, are you... To a novice, competence, experience and unabashed pride in a job well-done often appears to be arrogance. Wilbur Hubbard As Satchel Page once said, "It ain't bragging if you can do it". Unfortunately Willie-boy can't do it. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:28:51 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no sailing content at all. No. Not really. He explains it very clearly. It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says. ESPECIALLY Bruce. Yes, of course. Bruce is a has-been. His sailing knowledge base is outdated by about 35 years which is about the time he retired from sailing. He's been living aboard at a dock in Thailand since. What could the Rube possibly have to say that was worth hearing considering my experience? Especially when you consider the fact that I still sail and I don't live at a dock but have been cruising and living on the hook and sailing and passage-making and generally living the sailing life actively for 25 years, why would I need or want to listen to some amateur who has such outdated sailing knowledge. And his boat is one of those too-big abominations that pretty much guarantee failure. And, he's married which also just about guarantees failure. He's everything a good sailor is NOT. Wilbur Hubbard Not short on arrogance, are you... I call it the arrogance of ignorance - being too ignorant to understand how little you actually do know and thus arrogantly believing that you know it all. Quite common in the inexperienced. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Poor Bruce in Bangkok - he knows nothing about sailing.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:24:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message om... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no sailing content at all. No. Not really. He explains it very clearly. It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says. ESPECIALLY Bruce. Yes, of course. Bruce is a has-been. His sailing knowledge base is outdated by about 35 years which is about the time he retired from sailing. He's been living aboard at a dock in Thailand since. What could the Rube possibly have to say that was worth hearing considering my experience? Especially when you consider the fact that I still sail and I don't live at a dock but have been cruising and living on the hook and sailing and passage-making and generally living the sailing life actively for 25 years, why would I need or want to listen to some amateur who has such outdated sailing knowledge. Willie-boy, how many times do I have to repeat it, "Keep your mouth shut". You just keep opening your mouth and letting all that ignorance pour out. Damn, if you just kept you lips sealed people might think you were about half smart but instead you flaunt your ignorance for the whole world to see. But to reply to your foolishness. "Sailing Knowledge outdated by about 35 years": In the vernacular of dirty little school boys, "you're showing your ass again Willie-boy". I built my first boat and was paddling and sailing it on local lakes 67 years ago. You missed that one by nearly half, didn't you. And, I might add, the wind is blowing just like it was all those years ago. But tell us Willie-boy, just what is this modern knowledge that you seem to claim that you've acquired in the 25 years that you've been acting like an anchor buoy? Does the "modern" wind blow a different direction? Maybe your sailboat doesn't need a mast like mine? Oh that's right... you probably have one of those radio thingies that you can trigger when you get into trouble so that the Coast Guard can come out and "save" you. Nope, we didn't have them things when I started, you just had to depend on yourself. Living on the hook vis-a-vis moored in a marina. Yes, I did keep my boat in a marina while in Thailand however this rather ignores the years I spent as a live-aboard anchored in the Singapore Straits. But having done both I can say that unless you are prefer the labor of hauling all your water to the boat in jerry jugs and carrying the garbage the other way then I believe that the marina is preferable. At least I don't believe that hauling water out and garbage back contributed much to my fund of nautical knowledge. Perhaps it has to yours. But of course, one's ability to moor in a marina depends greatly on one's ability to pay the mooring fees. And finally. Willie-boy, an hour down the bay and an hour back does not constitute, in most sailor's experience, "passage making", or "cruising", and living at anchor might qualify one as water carrier of the year, or sanitation Engineer (formally known as garbage man), but hardly qualifies one for the sailor of the year award. And his boat is one of those too-big abominations that pretty much guarantee failure. And, he's married which also just about guarantees failure. He's everything a good sailor is NOT. Wilbur Hubbard Too big a boat?? Willie you just keep insisting on showing off how little you know about cruising. Probably the greatest problem that long distance cruisers have in making a passage (NOT a down the bay and back day trip) is where to put everything. You need room for all the food and water you are going to consume; you need room for the several sets of sails that you carry; you need room for several anchoring systems (good to have a spare or two in case you lose one); you need room for spares parts; you need room for the dinghy; and on; and on. Difficult to find this room on a tiny little boat. But storage aside, I really cannot understand what appears to be a common misconception that somehow, for some reason, a person can't handle a boat over a certain size. I had no problems sailing a 40 ft. boat and I know any number of people who single-hand larger boats. In fact I believe that The Spray was about 40 ft. and Old Josh had no labor saving devices. Just him and the boat. Of course, it may just be jealousy rearing it's ugly head as the people who are jabbering about how it is impossible for a man to handle a reasonably sized boat are all puttering about in little bitty, dinghy sized, vessels. And, yes I'm married and quite happily too. Of course you aren't and either was Tristin Jones, who died in Phuket, and always has a couple of dainty young "boat boys" around the boat. When he finally got so sick that he was living ashore they morphed into "house boys", cute little things that I'm sure you would find simply darling. .. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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