On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:24:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
om...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies
to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies
have no sailing content at all.


No. Not really.
He explains it very clearly.

It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says.
ESPECIALLY Bruce.



Yes, of course. Bruce is a has-been. His sailing knowledge base is outdated
by about 35 years which is about the time he retired from sailing. He's been
living aboard at a dock in Thailand since. What could the Rube possibly have
to say that was worth hearing considering my experience? Especially when you
consider the fact that I still sail and I don't live at a dock but have been
cruising and living on the hook and sailing and passage-making and generally
living the sailing life actively for 25 years, why would I need or want to
listen to some amateur who has such outdated sailing knowledge.

Willie-boy, how many times do I have to repeat it, "Keep your mouth
shut". You just keep opening your mouth and letting all that ignorance
pour out. Damn, if you just kept you lips sealed people might think
you were about half smart but instead you flaunt your ignorance for
the whole world to see.

But to reply to your foolishness.

"Sailing Knowledge outdated by about 35 years": In the vernacular of
dirty little school boys, "you're showing your ass again Willie-boy".

I built my first boat and was paddling and sailing it on local lakes
67 years ago. You missed that one by nearly half, didn't you. And, I
might add, the wind is blowing just like it was all those years ago.

But tell us Willie-boy, just what is this modern knowledge that you
seem to claim that you've acquired in the 25 years that you've been
acting like an anchor buoy?

Does the "modern" wind blow a different direction? Maybe your sailboat
doesn't need a mast like mine? Oh that's right... you probably have
one of those radio thingies that you can trigger when you get into
trouble so that the Coast Guard can come out and "save" you. Nope, we
didn't have them things when I started, you just had to depend on
yourself.

Living on the hook vis-a-vis moored in a marina.

Yes, I did keep my boat in a marina while in Thailand however this
rather ignores the years I spent as a live-aboard anchored in the
Singapore Straits.

But having done both I can say that unless you are prefer the labor of
hauling all your water to the boat in jerry jugs and carrying the
garbage the other way then I believe that the marina is preferable. At
least I don't believe that hauling water out and garbage back
contributed much to my fund of nautical knowledge. Perhaps it has to
yours.

But of course, one's ability to moor in a marina depends greatly on
one's ability to pay the mooring fees.

And finally. Willie-boy, an hour down the bay and an hour back does
not constitute, in most sailor's experience, "passage making", or
"cruising", and living at anchor might qualify one as water carrier of
the year, or sanitation Engineer (formally known as garbage man), but
hardly qualifies one for the sailor of the year award.

And his boat is one of those too-big abominations that pretty much guarantee
failure. And, he's married which also just about guarantees failure. He's
everything a good sailor is NOT.

Wilbur Hubbard

Too big a boat?? Willie you just keep insisting on showing off how
little you know about cruising.

Probably the greatest problem that long distance cruisers have in
making a passage (NOT a down the bay and back day trip) is where to
put everything. You need room for all the food and water you are going
to consume; you need room for the several sets of sails that you
carry; you need room for several anchoring systems (good to have a
spare or two in case you lose one); you need room for spares parts;
you need room for the dinghy; and on; and on. Difficult to find this
room on a tiny little boat.

But storage aside, I really cannot understand what appears to be a
common misconception that somehow, for some reason, a person can't
handle a boat over a certain size. I had no problems sailing a 40 ft.
boat and I know any number of people who single-hand larger boats. In
fact I believe that The Spray was about 40 ft. and Old Josh had no
labor saving devices. Just him and the boat.

Of course, it may just be jealousy rearing it's ugly head as the
people who are jabbering about how it is impossible for a man to
handle a reasonably sized boat are all puttering about in little
bitty, dinghy sized, vessels.

And, yes I'm married and quite happily too. Of course you aren't and
either was Tristin Jones, who died in Phuket, and always has a couple
of dainty young "boat boys" around the boat. When he finally got so
sick that he was living ashore they morphed into "house boys", cute
little things that I'm sure you would find simply darling.
..
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:49:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies to
my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no
sailing content at all. Could this have anything to do with the fact that
the man has been languishing in Thailand for over thirty-five years now
while his ill-found motorsailer slowly turns to rubbish while tied to a dock
and serves only as a slum residence.

As I keep saying Willie-boy you just keep talking and keep showing
more of your ignorance.

Where in the world do you come up with 35 years? Your fevered
imagination.... Poor boy, take two aspirins and a cup of hot tea,
with lots of sugar - best thing for those hot flushes.

Actually I've lived in Thailand for more then 40 years, not the 35
that feverish Willie mentions, and I have the wife, kids and grand
kids to prove it.

Bruce's ignorance even extends to not understanding how a little auxiliary
outboard on the transom allows a blue water sailor to negotiate narrow
channels that might harbor adverse winds and currents. Bruce doesn't
understand how this very motor can be removed from the transom in a couple
of minutes and stowed away below out of sight and out of mind until it might
be needed at the other end of an offshore or coastal voyage.

"Needed at the other end"? This from the vaunted sailorman? The chap
who doesn't need an engine because his yellow anchor buoy can
outmaneuver a power craft?

Lord, I never thought I'd live to hear the Wondrous Willie admit that
he NEEDs an engine. I'd always assumed that he'd just sail up and
throw the anchor over like old Joshua used to.

Ah, even our most treasured myths must one day be destroyed.

It's difficult for an old man with 35-year-old memories to even comprehend
what a small, modern, 4-stroke outboard engine can do. People like Bruce
remain stuck in the antique Perkins diesel or Atomic 4 gasoline bilge engine
era.

And what is the matter with a Perkins engine? Or is this just another
rationalization. Willie-boy doesn't have one so it must be bad?

But, I try to humor the Rube along as best as I can as I understand all the
man has is antique memories and most of those involve failure to complete
his planned circumnavigation. All these years that have passed since his
venture ground to a halt and he ended up stranded in a third-world backwater
have only served to give him plenty of time to rationalize his failings at
sailing.


Wilbur Hubbard

Ah, but this "third-world, backwater" isn't out to destroy my license
as you so recently complained that your government was trying to do to
you :-)

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:51:09 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous
replies to my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his
replies have no sailing content at all.

No. Not really.
He explains it very clearly.

It seems like you just don't want to hear anything anybody else says.
ESPECIALLY Bruce.



Yes, of course. Bruce is a has-been. His sailing knowledge base is
outdated by about 35 years which is about the time he retired from
sailing. He's been living aboard at a dock in Thailand since. What could
the Rube possibly have to say that was worth hearing considering my
experience? Especially when you consider the fact that I still sail and I
don't live at a dock but have been cruising and living on the hook and
sailing and passage-making and generally living the sailing life actively
for 25 years, why would I need or want to listen to some amateur who has
such outdated sailing knowledge.

And his boat is one of those too-big abominations that pretty much
guarantee failure. And, he's married which also just about guarantees
failure. He's everything a good sailor is NOT.

Wilbur Hubbard


Not short on arrogance, are you...


To a novice, competence, experience and unabashed pride in a job well-done
often appears to be arrogance.

Wilbur Hubbard


As Satchel Page once said, "It ain't bragging if you can do it".

Unfortunately Willie-boy can't do it.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:49:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies
to
my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no
sailing content at all. Could this have anything to do with the fact that
the man has been languishing in Thailand for over thirty-five years now
while his ill-found motorsailer slowly turns to rubbish while tied to a
dock
and serves only as a slum residence.

As I keep saying Willie-boy you just keep talking and keep showing
more of your ignorance.

Where in the world do you come up with 35 years? Your fevered
imagination.... Poor boy, take two aspirins and a cup of hot tea,
with lots of sugar - best thing for those hot flushes.

Actually I've lived in Thailand for more then 40 years, not the 35
that feverish Willie mentions, and I have the wife, kids and grand
kids to prove it.


Like I have always maintained, folks! Just your run-of-the-mill lubber
pretending to be an expert at sailing. Why not post to a rabbit group? You
seem to have spent most of your time breeding like one. LOL!


Bruce's ignorance even extends to not understanding how a little auxiliary
outboard on the transom allows a blue water sailor to negotiate narrow
channels that might harbor adverse winds and currents. Bruce doesn't
understand how this very motor can be removed from the transom in a couple
of minutes and stowed away below out of sight and out of mind until it
might
be needed at the other end of an offshore or coastal voyage.

"Needed at the other end"? This from the vaunted sailorman? The chap
who doesn't need an engine because his yellow anchor buoy can
outmaneuver a power craft?

You conveniently left out the important word "might." That means it might
be needed or it might not be needed. IOW it is a true auxiliary - not a
built-in dead weight of a motor in the bilge that causes the boat to be
slower than molasses under sail.


Lord, I never thought I'd live to hear the Wondrous Willie admit that
he NEEDs an engine. I'd always assumed that he'd just sail up and
throw the anchor over like old Joshua used to.


Since when does "might be needed" equate to "need?" I suggest you put down
those Thai sticks for a few minutes, at least. You're clearly not thinking
straight.


Ah, even our most treasured myths must one day be destroyed.

It's difficult for an old man with 35-year-old memories to even comprehend
what a small, modern, 4-stroke outboard engine can do. People like Bruce
remain stuck in the antique Perkins diesel or Atomic 4 gasoline bilge
engine
era.

And what is the matter with a Perkins engine? Or is this just another
rationalization. Willie-boy doesn't have one so it must be bad?

But, I try to humor the Rube along as best as I can as I understand all
the
man has is antique memories and most of those involve failure to complete
his planned circumnavigation. All these years that have passed since his
venture ground to a halt and he ended up stranded in a third-world
backwater
have only served to give him plenty of time to rationalize his failings at
sailing.


Wilbur Hubbard

Ah, but this "third-world, backwater" isn't out to destroy my license
as you so recently complained that your government was trying to do to
you :-)


What license? Your sanitary engineer license needed to run that harbor
pump-out boat. LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:15:54 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

In
fact I believe that The Spray was about 40 ft. and Old Josh had no
labor saving devices. Just him and the boat.

Twenty eight foot Friendship Sloop.

Casady

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:00:28 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:15:54 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

In
fact I believe that The Spray was about 40 ft. and Old Josh had no
labor saving devices. Just him and the boat.

Twenty eight foot Friendship Sloop.

Casady

Bruce is closer to correct. Sorry Casady, but Spray was nowhere near
the lines of a Friendswhip.


From Slocum's book:

"The Spray's dimensions were, when finished, thirty-six feet nine
inches long, over all, fourteen feet two inches wide, and four feet
two inches deep in the hold, her onnage being nine tons net and twelve
and seventy-one hundredths tons gross."

"The Spray, as I sailed her, was entirely a new boat, built over from
a sloop which bore the same name, and which, tradition said, had first
served as an oysterman, about a hundred years ago, on the coast of
Delaware. There was no record in the custom-house of where she was
built."


"In a sloop-rig the Spray made that part of her voyage reaching from
Boston through the Strait of Magellan, during which she experienced
the greatest variety of weather conditions. The yawl-rig then adopted
was an improvement only in that it reduced the size of a rather heavy
mainsail and slightly improved her steering qualities on the wind."


Rick

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:49:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies
to
my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no
sailing content at all. Could this have anything to do with the fact that
the man has been languishing in Thailand for over thirty-five years now
while his ill-found motorsailer slowly turns to rubbish while tied to a
dock
and serves only as a slum residence.

As I keep saying Willie-boy you just keep talking and keep showing
more of your ignorance.

Where in the world do you come up with 35 years? Your fevered
imagination.... Poor boy, take two aspirins and a cup of hot tea,
with lots of sugar - best thing for those hot flushes.

Actually I've lived in Thailand for more then 40 years, not the 35
that feverish Willie mentions, and I have the wife, kids and grand
kids to prove it.


Like I have always maintained, folks! Just your run-of-the-mill lubber
pretending to be an expert at sailing. Why not post to a rabbit group? You
seem to have spent most of your time breeding like one. LOL!

Reason sort of failed you hasn't it.

Bruce's ignorance even extends to not understanding how a little auxiliary
outboard on the transom allows a blue water sailor to negotiate narrow
channels that might harbor adverse winds and currents. Bruce doesn't
understand how this very motor can be removed from the transom in a couple
of minutes and stowed away below out of sight and out of mind until it
might
be needed at the other end of an offshore or coastal voyage.

"Needed at the other end"? This from the vaunted sailorman? The chap
who doesn't need an engine because his yellow anchor buoy can
outmaneuver a power craft?

You conveniently left out the important word "might." That means it might
be needed or it might not be needed. IOW it is a true auxiliary - not a
built-in dead weight of a motor in the bilge that causes the boat to be
slower than molasses under sail.

Might? The self proclaimed expert sailor "MIGHT" need the help of a
motor to anchor his tinny boat? Jesus Willie-boy but you are a farce.

After all, folks got along for years and years (and still do in some
places) without an engine - I even sailed a Friendship Sloop without
an engine for a few years myself - but Outboard-boy (God's gift to the
sailing world) "might" need a motor.

As I keep telling you, you just got to stop opening your mouth and
letting all that ignorance flood out.

For people who actually sail - without an engine - try the Pardys.
Their "auxiliary power" is an oar. and (much as I dislike Lynn) they
are real sailors and have the record to prove it unlike Outboard
Willie, who might need it :-(

It will also give you some more "expert ideas" to impress us with.


Lord, I never thought I'd live to hear the Wondrous Willie admit that
he NEEDs an engine. I'd always assumed that he'd just sail up and
throw the anchor over like old Joshua used to.


Since when does "might be needed" equate to "need?" I suggest you put down
those Thai sticks for a few minutes, at least. You're clearly not thinking
straight.


what in the world is a Thai Stick?

Ah, even our most treasured myths must one day be destroyed.

It's difficult for an old man with 35-year-old memories to even comprehend
what a small, modern, 4-stroke outboard engine can do. People like Bruce
remain stuck in the antique Perkins diesel or Atomic 4 gasoline bilge
engine
era.

And what is the matter with a Perkins engine? Or is this just another
rationalization. Willie-boy doesn't have one so it must be bad?

But, I try to humor the Rube along as best as I can as I understand all
the
man has is antique memories and most of those involve failure to complete
his planned circumnavigation. All these years that have passed since his
venture ground to a halt and he ended up stranded in a third-world
backwater
have only served to give him plenty of time to rationalize his failings at
sailing.


Willie-boy, while I have repeatedly told you that as I never embarked
on a circumnavigation I can hardly have failed to complete one. But
regardless, I'm over here and you are in the same little bay and never
even started. Outboard-Willie, the great sailorman never even left his
mooring.


Wilbur Hubbard

Ah, but this "third-world, backwater" isn't out to destroy my license
as you so recently complained that your government was trying to do to
you :-)


What license? Your sanitary engineer license needed to run that harbor
pump-out boat. LOL!


Nope, valid for Thai flagged vessels up to 100 ton.


Wilbur Hubbard


Nice try Willie-boy. when logic fails try insults? Ah well, the
mentally-challenged often do that.

But a question? What are these Thai Sticks you keep rambling on about?
I'm afraid that we don't have them over here. Is it some American
oddity.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:00:28 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:15:54 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

In
fact I believe that The Spray was about 40 ft. and Old Josh had no
labor saving devices. Just him and the boat.

Twenty eight foot Friendship Sloop.

Casady

No, I owned a Friendship sloop and the pictures of Spray that I've
seen are nothing like the Maine built boats.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Mar 27, 5:50*pm, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"





wrote:
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:49:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

I think everybody who reads Bruce in Bangkok's bitter and jealous replies
to
my posts that have sailing content can readily see how his replies have no
sailing content at all. Could this have anything to do with the fact that
the man has been languishing in Thailand for over thirty-five years now
while his ill-found motorsailer slowly turns to rubbish while tied to a
dock
and serves only as a slum residence.

As I keep saying Willie-boy you just keep talking and keep showing
more of your ignorance.

Where in the world do you come up with 35 years? *Your fevered
imagination.... *Poor boy, take two aspirins and a cup of hot tea,
with lots of sugar - best thing for those hot flushes.

Actually I've lived in Thailand for more then 40 years, not the 35
that feverish Willie mentions, and I have the wife, kids and grand
kids to prove it.

Like I have always maintained, folks! Just your run-of-the-mill lubber
pretending to be an expert at sailing. Why not post to a rabbit group? You
seem to have spent most of your time breeding like one. LOL!

Reason sort of failed you hasn't it.







Bruce's ignorance even extends to not understanding how a little auxiliary
outboard on the transom allows a blue water sailor to negotiate narrow
channels that might harbor adverse winds and currents. Bruce doesn't
understand how this very motor can be removed from the transom in a couple
of minutes and stowed away below out of sight and out of mind until it
might
be needed at the other end of an offshore or coastal voyage.

"Needed at the other end"? This from the vaunted sailorman? The chap
who doesn't need an engine because his yellow anchor buoy can
outmaneuver a power craft?

You conveniently left out the important word "might." *That means it might
be needed or it might not be needed. IOW it is a true auxiliary - not a
built-in dead weight of a motor in the bilge that causes the boat to be
slower than molasses under sail.

Might? The self proclaimed expert sailor "MIGHT" need the help of a
motor to anchor his tinny boat? Jesus Willie-boy but you are a farce.

After all, folks got along for years and years (and still do in some
places) without an engine - I even sailed a Friendship Sloop without
an engine for a few years myself - but Outboard-boy (God's gift to the
sailing world) "might" need a motor.

As I keep telling you, you just got to stop opening your mouth and
letting all that ignorance flood out.

For people who actually sail - without an engine - try the Pardys.
Their "auxiliary power" is an oar. and (much as I dislike Lynn) they
are real sailors and have the record to prove it unlike Outboard
Willie, who might need it :-(

It will also give you some more "expert ideas" to impress us with.



Lord, I never thought I'd live to hear the Wondrous Willie admit that
he NEEDs an engine. *I'd always assumed that he'd just sail up and
throw the anchor over like old Joshua used to.

Since when does "might be needed" equate to "need?" *I suggest you put down
those Thai sticks for a few minutes, at least. You're clearly not thinking
straight.

what in the world is a Thai Stick?







Ah, *even our most treasured myths must one day be destroyed.

It's difficult for an old man with 35-year-old memories to even comprehend
what a small, modern, 4-stroke outboard engine can do. People like Bruce
remain stuck in the antique Perkins diesel or Atomic 4 gasoline bilge
engine
era.

And what is the matter with a Perkins engine? Or is this just another
rationalization. Willie-boy doesn't have one so it must be bad?

But, I try to humor the Rube along as best as I can as I understand all
the
man has is antique memories and most of those involve failure to complete
his planned circumnavigation. All these years that have passed since his
venture ground to a halt and he ended up stranded in a third-world
backwater
have only served to give him plenty of time to rationalize his failings at
sailing.

Willie-boy, while I have repeatedly told you that as I never embarked
on a circumnavigation I can hardly have failed to complete one. But
regardless, I'm over here and you are in the same little bay and never
even started. Outboard-Willie, the great sailorman never even left his
mooring.



Wilbur Hubbard

Ah, but this "third-world, backwater" isn't out to destroy my license
as you so recently complained that your government was trying to do to
you :-)

What license? Your sanitary engineer license needed to run that harbor
pump-out boat. LOL!

Nope, valid for Thai flagged vessels up to 100 ton.



Wilbur Hubbard

Nice try Willie-boy. when logic fails try insults? Ah well, the
mentally-challenged often do that.

But a question? What are these Thai Sticks you keep rambling on about?
I'm afraid that we don't *have them over here. Is it some American
oddity.

Cheers,

Bruce
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Congrats on the 100 ton ticket Bruce.

Nellie had a six pack (5gt) and let it expire. He never made a penny
as a Captain.
If you can't get hired as a six pack skipper in S. Florida you must
be a waste case.

Now he's afraid to go through the extra scrutiny to get a twic card.
Getting a twic card is easy if you have nothing to hide. I got one
just to have access to the boats in Galveston. (Coffee Delivery's)

That's good... as it will keep him out of the way of real mariners.

Joe