" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message
...
Mr. Bonafide, sir, would you lend your rock climbing expertise over on
rec.boats.cruising and tell that idiot "Bruce" a little something about
pitons. He made the very dumb statement that all pitons have to be
hammered in. Wilbur Hubbard told him that was not correct as some pitons
such as cam-type pitons can be slid into cracks in the rock face of
suitable width and they twist and tighten up.

Thank, Lloyd. You are a scholar and a gentleman.


--
Gregory Hall


Gregory,

The items you are thinking of are called cams, nuts, hexes, wedges, friends,
TCUs, tricams, etc. They don't have to be hammered in and hammering would
probable weaken them. Pitons (pins), "virtually" no longer used for over 30
years, almost always have to be hammered in. They function like flat
springs. These guys:

http://www.backcountry.com/black-dia...:referralID=NA

don't have to be hammered but you don't want to use it to stop a fall. You
can still buy pitons and I'm sure they are still used somewhere. If you can
hammer one in on a stance, why not use something simpler and easier to put
in? You can use bong pins as chocks or cams and hammering isn't necessary.

Lloyd

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...

" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message
...
Mr. Bonafide, sir, would you lend your rock climbing expertise over on
rec.boats.cruising and tell that idiot "Bruce" a little something about
pitons. He made the very dumb statement that all pitons have to be
hammered in. Wilbur Hubbard told him that was not correct as some pitons
such as cam-type pitons can be slid into cracks in the rock face of
suitable width and they twist and tighten up.

Thank, Lloyd. You are a scholar and a gentleman.


--
Gregory Hall


Gregory,

The items you are thinking of are called cams, nuts, hexes, wedges,
friends, TCUs, tricams, etc. They don't have to be hammered in and
hammering would probable weaken them. Pitons (pins), "virtually" no longer
used for over 30 years, almost always have to be hammered in. They
function like flat springs. These guys:

http://www.backcountry.com/black-dia...:referralID=NA

don't have to be hammered but you don't want to use it to stop a fall. You
can still buy pitons and I'm sure they are still used somewhere. If you
can hammer one in on a stance, why not use something simpler and easier to
put in? You can use bong pins as chocks or cams and hammering isn't
necessary.

Lloyd





Thanks for the great information, Lloyd. I'm sure Wilbur Hubbard appreciates
it. It sure does put Bruce in Bangkok in his place.

I can't help but notice crickets chirping instead of a response from poor,
beaten down Bruce. LOL!

--
Gregory Hall

On Mar 9, 4:19*pm, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message

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" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message
...
Mr. Bonafide, sir, would you lend your rock climbing expertise over on
rec.boats.cruising and tell that idiot "Bruce" a little something about
pitons. He made the very dumb statement that all pitons have to be
hammered in. Wilbur Hubbard told him that was not correct as some pitons
such as cam-type pitons can be slid into cracks in the rock face of
suitable width and they twist and tighten up.

Thank, Lloyd. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

--
Gregory Hall

Gregory,

The items you are thinking of are called cams, nuts, hexes, wedges,
friends, TCUs, tricams, etc. They don't have to be hammered in and
hammering would probable weaken them. Pitons (pins), "virtually" no longer
used for over 30 years, almost always have to be hammered in. They
function like flat springs. These guys:

http://www.backcountry.com/black-dia...l?CMP_SKU=BLD0....

don't have to be hammered but you don't want to use it to stop a fall. You
can still buy pitons and I'm sure they are still used somewhere. If you
can hammer one in on a stance, why not use something simpler and easier to
put in? You can use bong pins as chocks or cams and hammering isn't
necessary.

Lloyd

Thanks for the great information, Lloyd. I'm sure Wilbur Hubbard appreciates
it. It sure does put Bruce in Bangkok in his place.

I can't help but notice crickets chirping instead of a response from poor,
beaten down Bruce. *LOL!

--
Gregory Hall

Oh for gods sake, another case of Crapt'n Neal, Willbur Hubbard, Ellen
McCarthur, etc making up a new alias and showing how little he knows.
Nobody who climbs would refer to a "friend" or a chock or similar as a
piton. Pitons DO get hammered in or in some cases screwed in. Cavers
still use "bolts" as anchors but generally in softer rock.
I do know my ass from a hole in the ground, I'm a caver.
Wilbur wouldnt know his ass from anything cuz that's where he keeps
his head (both of em).