Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
"husk" wrote in message
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On Dec 26, 2:53 pm, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
"husk" wrote in message

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On Dec 26, 10:04 am, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

Negative, I am saying that, as a Christian, I am tasked with not
allowing
my
religion to be secularized, liberalized and *******ized by accepting the
language the anti-religious or non-religious use to usurp and
marginalize
my
religion.
--
Gregory Hall
Maybe I live in a different culture than you do Greg, but where I live
Christian are fighting to maintain the Merry Christmas greeting. Go
to a grocery or departent store, run by a big chain, and one does not
hear a Merry Christmas greeting from the staff. Even when you give
them a Merry Christmas and they attend the same church as you, they
are reluctant to respond back the same due to pressure from their
bosses to be PC. I have talked to Jews and Muslims on this matter
and they are not offended by the Merry Christmas greeting as in their
opinion it is polite to wish someone of another religion merriment in
their religious celebrations, just as I will wish Happy Hanakah , or
Happy Eid to Jews and Muslims. What is wrong is the exclusion of any
mention of the beliefs of others in secular society. It is only
polite to offer another good wishes on the eve of their religious
occasion. We shouldn't take offence when offered such greeting and we
shouldn't feel uncomfortable in giving the greeting.

The words of the greeting matter not unless the words are an attempt
at nutralizing the religion in the event. Since the word "Christmas"
is in "Merry Christmas" and Holy is in "Happy Holidays", one should
not get all wrapped up in the meaning each individual takes. If you
say Happy Holidays, or Merry Christmas to me I interpret that as a
religious greeting. It matters not that the sender or the greeting
may not, it is how it is interpretted that matters.

What upsets me is when corporations deny their employees the right to
say , "Merry Christmas." One should not take offence to being wished
Merry Christmas any more than if I were mistaken for a Jew and be
wished Happy Hanakah.

=================[REPLY]=====================

But the word they are trying to suppress is not the word, merry. It is the
word Christmas because Christmas is a religious-based word. I can
guarantee
if people went around saying, "Satanic Salutations" these anti-religious
liberals would be ALL FOR that. There would be NO mention of trying to
suppress that expression in public. There would be no mention of
separation
of church and state.

See the difference? The agenda is to mock and belittle Christianity. The
word 'merry' accomplishes that purpose in the eyes of the anti-religious.
Therefore, Christians should not fall into their trap which marginalizes
Christianity. As Christians, we should reply to any "merry Christmas
salutation with something like, "Holy Christmas" or "Blessed Christmas."
This would demonstrate that a 'merry Christmas' is a less than
satisfactory
expression as to the real meaning of Christmas.

--
Gregory Hall

My argument is the mocking of Christ only makes him stronger.

He needs us not to fight his battles. He needs us to be generous with
our money, our time, our labour and our heart. That alone will aid
him in more ways than fighting the secularists.




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Historically speaking, there is no justification for your statement that
Jesus doesn't need us to fight His battles.

Religiously speaking, there is. Read Matthew 5:39, where he advises you
to turn the other cheek.

His recruiting the apostles and
his instructing them to go forth and teach the world about His message of
salvation refutes your assertion.

He told the apostles to do that, not you.

His statement, "Upon this rock (the
steadfast faith as shown by Peter) shall my church be built" is another
example of how He needs and requires Christians to spread the Gospel.

Jesus specifically refutes that in Matthew 6:5-6. Also Matthew 7:21-27
where the "rock" example is used for the first time.



--

Greg's wrong guesses so far:

Aratzio
Spooge
MAABOF
Vince
Deco
Mike/Bill (?)
Johnny Dollar

husk wrote:
On Dec 26, 6:28 pm, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
"husk" wrote in message

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On Dec 26, 2:53 pm, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:



"husk" wrote in message
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On Dec 26, 10:04 am, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
Negative, I am saying that, as a Christian, I am tasked with not
allowing
my
religion to be secularized, liberalized and *******ized by accepting the
language the anti-religious or non-religious use to usurp and
marginalize
my
religion.
--
Gregory Hall
Maybe I live in a different culture than you do Greg, but where I live
Christian are fighting to maintain the Merry Christmas greeting. Go
to a grocery or departent store, run by a big chain, and one does not
hear a Merry Christmas greeting from the staff. Even when you give
them a Merry Christmas and they attend the same church as you, they
are reluctant to respond back the same due to pressure from their
bosses to be PC. I have talked to Jews and Muslims on this matter
and they are not offended by the Merry Christmas greeting as in their
opinion it is polite to wish someone of another religion merriment in
their religious celebrations, just as I will wish Happy Hanakah , or
Happy Eid to Jews and Muslims. What is wrong is the exclusion of any
mention of the beliefs of others in secular society. It is only
polite to offer another good wishes on the eve of their religious
occasion. We shouldn't take offence when offered such greeting and we
shouldn't feel uncomfortable in giving the greeting.
The words of the greeting matter not unless the words are an attempt
at nutralizing the religion in the event. Since the word "Christmas"
is in "Merry Christmas" and Holy is in "Happy Holidays", one should
not get all wrapped up in the meaning each individual takes. If you
say Happy Holidays, or Merry Christmas to me I interpret that as a
religious greeting. It matters not that the sender or the greeting
may not, it is how it is interpretted that matters.
What upsets me is when corporations deny their employees the right to
say , "Merry Christmas." One should not take offence to being wished
Merry Christmas any more than if I were mistaken for a Jew and be
wished Happy Hanakah.
=================[REPLY]=====================
But the word they are trying to suppress is not the word, merry. It is the
word Christmas because Christmas is a religious-based word. I can
guarantee
if people went around saying, "Satanic Salutations" these anti-religious
liberals would be ALL FOR that. There would be NO mention of trying to
suppress that expression in public. There would be no mention of
separation
of church and state.
See the difference? The agenda is to mock and belittle Christianity. The
word 'merry' accomplishes that purpose in the eyes of the anti-religious.
Therefore, Christians should not fall into their trap which marginalizes
Christianity. As Christians, we should reply to any "merry Christmas
salutation with something like, "Holy Christmas" or "Blessed Christmas."
This would demonstrate that a 'merry Christmas' is a less than
satisfactory
expression as to the real meaning of Christmas.
--
Gregory Hall
My argument is the mocking of Christ only makes him stronger.

He needs us not to fight his battles. He needs us to be generous with
our money, our time, our labour and our heart. That alone will aid
him in more ways than fighting the secularists.

==================[REPLY]==================

Historically speaking, there is no justification for your statement that
Jesus doesn't need us to fight His battles. His recruiting the apostles and
his instructing them to go forth and teach the world about His message of
salvation refutes your assertion. His statement, "Upon this rock (the
steadfast faith as shown by Peter) shall my church be built" is another
example of how He needs and requires Christians to spread the Gospel.

--
Gregory Hall

He said to go forth and teach. He did not say to go forth and fight.

When we are generous with our time, our labour, our money and our
heart, in the name of Jesus, we are Apostles. For when we do these
things we are asked why. At that point we can teach them about
Jesus. You give first and wait for them to be inquisitive. In your
face missionary work is rarely successful. If it was all Haitians
would be Scientologists by now.

A true story was retold at our church last year. A parishoner heard
of a woman, on her street,who had her hours drastically reduced at
work and had barely enough for rent let alone food and other bills.
He and his wife determined that they had surplus money and the woman
could make better use of it than they. He went over to her house and
gave an envelope of money to her with no explanation. The woman
opened the envelope and was not happy, she went back to the givers'
house and demanded to know what they expected in return for this
money. When told nothing, she was suspicious, but under her financial
circumstances grudgingly took the money and left. Very little of a
thank you was given. During the next weeks the couple and the woman
would pass on the street and exchange hellos, but no mention of the
money was made. One day the woman appeared at the door and told the
couple she needed to know why they gave her the money, why they
expected nothing back as her expeience had been nothing came to you
for free.

At this point the woman was ready to hear the story of Jesus.

We give of ourselves, we expect nothing in return and we wait for them
to come to us.

Fighting the secularists is a waste of our time. It's what the
Scientologists do and they are failing miserably.

Very true. Jesus specifically said to spread the gospel through your
good works. Greg does no good works and thus is not an apostle.

--

Greg's wrong guesses so far:

Aratzio
Spooge
MAABOF
Vince
Deco
Mike/Bill (?)
Johnny Dollar

On Dec 26, 11:07*pm, "O.K. Urknext" wrote:
On Dec 26, 5:45*pm, Marian wrote:

On Dec 25, 1:58*pm, "O.K. Urknext" wrote:

On Dec 25, 10:50*am, " *Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
[...]
--
Gregory Hall

Enjoy your Christmas the way you want. Why get all testy about what
others do?

Charlie

Because. He. Is. A. Troll.
* * * * * * * * &
That. Is. What. They. Do.

http://afpf.tripod.com/troll.htm

Marian

You'll have to talk to Dalin "the enabler". I know he is a troll.

Merry Christmas (a little late) Marian.

Charlie

Thank you, Charlie. It was. Hope it was for you and yours, also.

Marian

"husk" wrote in message
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He said to go forth and teach. He did not say to go forth and fight.

He said it would be dangerous work that might cost their lives. He equipped
them with various weapons to fight with. They could even exorcise demons and
that is some tough dude who can exorcise a demon. A couple of them could
even raise the dead. Jesus was no wus when it came to establishing His
church.

When we are generous with our time, our labour, our money and our
heart, in the name of Jesus, we are Apostles. For when we do these
things we are asked why. At that point we can teach them about
Jesus. You give first and wait for them to be inquisitive. In your
face missionary work is rarely successful. If it was all Haitians
would be Scientologists by now.

Haitians already had a religion based upon their African heritage. But, you
make a good point. Lead by example but don't be swayed by this turn the
other cheek nonsense. Jesus himself, for example, did not turn the other
check when it came to smacking the money changers in the temple around.

A true story was retold at our church last year. A parishoner heard
of a woman, on her street,who had her hours drastically reduced at
work and had barely enough for rent let alone food and other bills.
He and his wife determined that they had surplus money and the woman
could make better use of it than they. He went over to her house and
gave an envelope of money to her with no explanation. The woman
opened the envelope and was not happy, she went back to the givers'
house and demanded to know what they expected in return for this
money. When told nothing, she was suspicious, but under her financial
circumstances grudgingly took the money and left. Very little of a
thank you was given. During the next weeks the couple and the woman
would pass on the street and exchange hellos, but no mention of the
money was made. One day the woman appeared at the door and told the
couple she needed to know why they gave her the money, why they
expected nothing back as her expeience had been nothing came to you
for free.

At this point the woman was ready to hear the story of Jesus.

We give of ourselves, we expect nothing in return and we wait for them
to come to us.


That's not entirely true.

"Paul writes some instruction regarding Christian giving in 1 Corinthians
9:14, where he states that, "...the Lord ordained that they which preach the
gospel should live of the gospel." In other words, preachers should be paid
to preach. Where does this money come from? In Galatians Paul tells us, "Let
him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all
good things" (Galatians 6:6 - this can be better understood from another
translation: "And let the one who is taught the word share all good things
with him who teaches" (NASB). We see this same concept again in 1 Timothy
5:17-18 where Paul writes, "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy
of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For
the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the
corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward." Therefore, we should be
giving to support those who teach us faithfully.


Source: http://www.thebiblepage.org/biblesays/tithing.shtml


Fighting the secularists is a waste of our time. It's what the
Scientologists do and they are failing miserably.


Don't fight them but preach to them and not in some wuss, PC manner. Teach
them the truth and the Word.

--
Gregory Hall

On Dec 25, 1:45*pm, Sjouke Burry
wrote:
Jackie DeGrippo wrote:
I pray that God will strike you and your kind down as in the days of
Lot. I want the Devil to personally force feed you his feces. I want
you to choke to death 1000X on the molten crap that flows from Satan's
anus.

Ah, it is such an honor to meet a xian who loves his neighbours
and in an argument turns the other cheek.
Who loves others like Jezus did.......

Now that "choke-to-death on hot molten crap from Satan's anus" is that
old time religion I was praying for, and hoping I wouldn't miss if I
took my sweet time to read thru all this xmas rigmarole you guys are
sweating about, thank you lord and HALLELUJAH for not disappointing
me.

Now If I didn't find it, I was going to have leave on some some lame
observation I made about somebody here saying "that religion depends
on good relationships with people" or something to that effect as
cited below ... but what do I know ... it's been a long time since
I've been to divinity school NOT!

On Dec 27, 8:20*am, husk wrote:
On Dec 27, 5:01*am, l *tr l wrote:

Gookler , wrote:
money was made. *One day the woman appeared at the door and told the
couple she needed to know why they gave her the money, why they
expected nothing back as her expeience had been nothing came to you
for free.

At this point the woman was ready to hear the story of Jesus.

So the woman had it exactly right.
Christians *give* for reason/expectation.
There is her expectation of your mocking
her common sense. Fruit of her seeing straight
through the usual shallow christian ****.

We give of ourselves, we expect nothing in return and we wait for them
to come to us.

Full up on contradiction in just a single sentence.
Not so amazing as it is, ****tards fail
at seeing the message in the utterings
they make in the name of saving themselves.
Again, an expectation of that brand of "giving".
This christian **** really is a dum****ers trip.

I can see how you would interpret in that way. *You see it as someone
paying someone to hear the word of Christ. *I see it as no
obligation. *Had the woman never come over to ask why the couple gave
her the money, it would have been left at that, a random act of
kindness. * And if that is all that is acheived, that the woman
realizes that strangers can care, then that is also, as Scientologists
put it, a win. * If the woman comes over to ask why, telling the woman
that the couple was influenced by the example set by Jesus, does not
brainwash her into instantly becoming a Christian. *Someone with a
long history of poor relationships with people is not going to jump
gung ho into a religion.

There is no payment expected back from the woman. The help is
genuine. *If she asks why, she is told and she has the ability to
decide whether the story is real or not, and again as Scientologists
put it, is true for her.

Note to self: now don't get Scientologists and Christian Scientists
mixed up.

-bdn-

On Dec 27, 7:57*am, kachina wrote:
Marian said stuff on 26 Dec 2010:





On Dec 25, 1:58 pm, "O.K. Urknext" wrote:
On Dec 25, 10:50 am, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
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Gregory Hall

Enjoy your Christmas the way you want. Why get all testy about what
others do?

Charlie

Because. He. Is. A. Troll.
* * * * * * * * &
That. Is. What. They. Do.

http://afpf.tripod.com/troll.htm

Marian

finally, someone who understands gweggy.

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On Dec 27, 8:40*am, I wrote:
* Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:





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" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message
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Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ so what's with this
'merry' crap?

The Online dictionary definition:

mer ry
adj. mer ri er, mer ri est
1. Full of high-spirited gaiety; jolly.
2. Marked by or offering fun and gaiety; festive: a merry evening.
3. Archaic Delightful; entertaining.
4. Brisk: a merry pace.

It seems to me this 'merry' Christmas crap is just another way for
non-believers to take over and *marginalize the true meaning of
Christmas. It seems to me Christ's birth should be celebrated with solemn
thanks to our Lord for giving his only begotten son that those who
believe in Him may have everlasting life.

Getting drunk on spirits and getting bloated on too much food is
debauchery. Is it proper to gives thanks to the Lord's ultimate sacrifice
by engaging in sinful behavior? Making Christmas all about human vices
seems to me to be very antithetical, blasphemous and sinful and no way to
get to Heaven.

You just HATE Christmas.

I hate the secular version of Christmas because it disrespects my religion.

Does calling women "kunts" venerate your religion, Greg?

Santa Claus is held in higher esteem than my Lord and that sticks in my
craw.

As evidenced by all the churchs to Santa. *Right.

They call them toy stores.
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Greg's wrong guesses so far:

Aratzio
Spooge
MAABOF
Vince
Deco
Mike/Bill (?)
Johnny Dollar- Hide quoted text -

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On Dec 25, 12:50*pm, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ so what's with this
'merry' crap?

The Online dictionary definition:

mer ry
adj. mer ri er, mer ri est
1. Full of high-spirited gaiety; jolly.
2. Marked by or offering fun and gaiety; festive: a merry evening.
3. Archaic Delightful; entertaining.
4. Brisk: a merry pace.

It seems to me this 'merry' Christmas crap is just another way for
non-believers to take over and *marginalize the true meaning of Christmas.
It seems to me Christ's birth should be celebrated with solemn thanks to our
Lord for giving his only begotten son that those who believe in Him may have
everlasting life.

Getting drunk on spirits and getting bloated on too much food is debauchery.
Is it proper to gives thanks to the Lord's ultimate sacrifice by engaging in
sinful behavior? Making Christmas all about human vices seems to me to be
very antithetical, blasphemous and sinful and no way to get to Heaven.

--
Gregory Hall

He hates "Merry" Christmas 'cause Neal Warren is alone. Nobody wants
him around 'cause he's lazy, nasty and evil.

"Karl Master" wrote in message
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On Dec 25, 12:50 pm, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ so what's with this
'merry' crap?

The Online dictionary definition:

mer ry
adj. mer ri er, mer ri est
1. Full of high-spirited gaiety; jolly.
2. Marked by or offering fun and gaiety; festive: a merry evening.
3. Archaic Delightful; entertaining.
4. Brisk: a merry pace.

It seems to me this 'merry' Christmas crap is just another way for
non-believers to take over and marginalize the true meaning of Christmas.
It seems to me Christ's birth should be celebrated with solemn thanks to
our
Lord for giving his only begotten son that those who believe in Him may
have
everlasting life.

Getting drunk on spirits and getting bloated on too much food is
debauchery.
Is it proper to gives thanks to the Lord's ultimate sacrifice by engaging
in
sinful behavior? Making Christmas all about human vices seems to me to be
very antithetical, blasphemous and sinful and no way to get to Heaven.

--
Gregory Hall

:: He hates "Merry" Christmas 'cause Neal Warren is alone. Nobody wants
:: him around 'cause he's lazy, nasty and evil.

Barbarella, you know that just isn't true. I have to constantly repel comely
and aggressive, female boarders from my 'nutshell.' I am not alone - I am
just very particular whom I choose to be with.

I insist upon a perfect woman/helpmate. Actually, there is no such thing as
a perfect woman but some women come very close to it. You are one such
woman. There is only one thing you need to be completely perfect - that
being your being my helpmate.

--
Gregory Hall

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:04:52 -0500, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:

"Sherkaner Underhill" wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:58:34 -0500, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

"seymore" wrote in message
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oh, **** you, Gregory! The expression is old as dirt! In other parts
of the world "merry" is substituted by the word "happy". The meaning
is the same for Christians. why would they *not* be merry or happy
that the savior was born? huh?



You missed the point. "Merry Christmas" is the preferred, non-believer,
politically correct greeting that marginalizes the true purpose of
Christmas
which is celebrating the birth of the Christ. How about 'Joyous
Christmas' or better yet. 'Holy Christmas'.

That sounds like a dine idea and I hope you enjoy your push to put the
christian back into christianity. You plan to lead by example?

I am leading by example.


Do you think the non-believers would ever accept and say those
greetings?

Why are you so interested in controlling what other people are doing
and saying?

Negative, I am saying that, as a Christian, I am tasked with not
allowing my religion to be secularized, liberalized and *******ized by
accepting the language the anti-religious or non-religious use to usurp
and marginalize my religion.

Keep your religion to yourself (as instructed to do in your bible) and no
one will bother you. Real simple.