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Wilbur Hubbard December 14th 10 06:31 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three
gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the
high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere
else.


Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater
design.


http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475


After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat
with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'.
You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the
water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I
sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with
the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour
under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is
supposed to be a fast boat.

P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos
of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard



HarryK[_4_] December 14th 10 06:48 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
On 12/14/10 1:31 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three
gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the
high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere
else.


Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater
design.


http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475


After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat
with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'.
You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the
water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I
sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with
the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour
under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is
supposed to be a fast boat.

P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos
of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard



Nice outboard. Is it painted those gaudy colors, too?

Wilbur Hubbard December 14th 10 07:06 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
"HarryK" wrote in message
...
On 12/14/10 1:31 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied
three
gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the
high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere
else.


Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater
design.


http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475


After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no
boat
with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the
Mustard'.
You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the
water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I
sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one
with
the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an
hour
under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is
supposed to be a fast boat.

P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the
photos
of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard



Nice outboard. Is it painted those gaudy colors, too?




It's a single-cylinder, 6-HP Tohatsu SailPro, 25" shaft of which I am
well-pleased. Plenty of power to drive the yacht to hull speed and sips fuel
in the process. Weight = 60 pounds. Factory color of dark blue.

I prefer 'bright' over 'gaudy'. The blue stripe atop the rubbing strake has
faded over the last couple of years and has become too light. I intend to
paint it again as soon as weather permits to a darker blue to match the
center blue stripe on the boot stripe tape.

Wilbur Hubbard



Paul - xxx December 14th 10 07:27 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

even you Brit ******s will understand how
no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with


I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post
smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's
bigger/faster/better than yours" ....

You seem, as well, somewhat akin to a fool.

--
Paul - xxx

Wilbur Hubbard December 14th 10 07:32 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
"Paul - xxx" wrote in message
...
snip
I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post
smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's
bigger/faster/better than yours" ....



There's bragging and there's stating the facts. Those whom the facts might
offend tend to think in terms of braggadocio as a defense mechanism. I guess
I can't blame them because the alternative is to admit that their boats are
very slow because they chose diesel/large propeller over efficiency under
sail.


Wilbur Hubbard



Paul - xxx December 14th 10 07:55 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Paul - xxx" wrote in message
... snip
I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post
smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's
bigger/faster/better than yours" ....



There's bragging and there's stating the facts. Those whom the facts
might offend tend to think in terms of braggadocio as a defense
mechanism. I guess I can't blame them because the alternative is to
admit that their boats are very slow because they chose diesel/large
propeller over efficiency under sail.


Who are 'they'?

It would appear to me that you're bragging that your boat is faster
than something with a different configuration, which just seems like an
empty boast with no real substance.

Stating facts would preclude using emotive words like 'Brit ******s'.

--
Paul - xxx

Wilbur Hubbard December 14th 10 08:04 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
"Paul - xxx" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Paul - xxx" wrote in message
... snip
I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post
smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's
bigger/faster/better than yours" ....



There's bragging and there's stating the facts. Those whom the facts
might offend tend to think in terms of braggadocio as a defense
mechanism. I guess I can't blame them because the alternative is to
admit that their boats are very slow because they chose diesel/large
propeller over efficiency under sail.


Who are 'they'?

It would appear to me that you're bragging that your boat is faster
than something with a different configuration, which just seems like an
empty boast with no real substance.

Stating facts would preclude using emotive words like 'Brit ******s'.




'Emotive' is not the right word. 'Redundant' might be more apropos. Just
kidding. Where's your sense of humor? Brits call each other ******s and I'm
just trying to fit in and not sound like a 'yank.'

Who's they? They are the people who call their motorsailers sailboats. I
maintain that any boat with sails that contains a large, heavy diesel and
large, often three-bladed propeller is a *******ization of a sailboat while
those who operate these 'compromise boats' suffer having to put up with the
worst of both worlds. For years I've been telling people that they are no
sailor if their boats smell of diesel fuel. What better way to demonstrate
that fact than pointing out how slow these motorsailers are compared to a
real sailboat?

I'm a purist. So shoot me.


Wilbur Hubbard



cavelamb December 14th 10 10:57 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Paul - xxx" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Paul - xxx" wrote in message
... snip
I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post
smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's
bigger/faster/better than yours" ....

There's bragging and there's stating the facts. Those whom the facts
might offend tend to think in terms of braggadocio as a defense
mechanism. I guess I can't blame them because the alternative is to
admit that their boats are very slow because they chose diesel/large
propeller over efficiency under sail.

Who are 'they'?

It would appear to me that you're bragging that your boat is faster
than something with a different configuration, which just seems like an
empty boast with no real substance.

Stating facts would preclude using emotive words like 'Brit ******s'.




'Emotive' is not the right word. 'Redundant' might be more apropos. Just
kidding. Where's your sense of humor? Brits call each other ******s and I'm
just trying to fit in and not sound like a 'yank.'

Who's they? They are the people who call their motorsailers sailboats. I
maintain that any boat with sails that contains a large, heavy diesel and
large, often three-bladed propeller is a *******ization of a sailboat while
those who operate these 'compromise boats' suffer having to put up with the
worst of both worlds. For years I've been telling people that they are no
sailor if their boats smell of diesel fuel. What better way to demonstrate
that fact than pointing out how slow these motorsailers are compared to a
real sailboat?

I'm a purist. So shoot me.



BANG!


Wilbur Hubbard


So what's your PRF rating?




--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site:
www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb


cavelamb December 14th 10 10:58 PM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three
gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the
high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere
else.


Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater
design.


http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475


After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat
with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'.
You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the
water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I
sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with
the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour
under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is
supposed to be a fast boat.



So you ran five miles ahead of the Dufor - in an hour?

Sounds like the Dufor was anchored.

--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site:
www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb


Wayne.B December 15th 10 03:47 AM

Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
 
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:31:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater
design.


http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471

http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475


=====

Looks like the keel could use some filling and fairing. That would
help your windward performance quite a bit.

Has their been a major repair made to the starboard top sides forward
of the beam?



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