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Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three
gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
On 12/14/10 1:31 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard Nice outboard. Is it painted those gaudy colors, too? |
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"HarryK" wrote in message
... On 12/14/10 1:31 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard Nice outboard. Is it painted those gaudy colors, too? It's a single-cylinder, 6-HP Tohatsu SailPro, 25" shaft of which I am well-pleased. Plenty of power to drive the yacht to hull speed and sips fuel in the process. Weight = 60 pounds. Factory color of dark blue. I prefer 'bright' over 'gaudy'. The blue stripe atop the rubbing strake has faded over the last couple of years and has become too light. I intend to paint it again as soon as weather permits to a darker blue to match the center blue stripe on the boot stripe tape. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's bigger/faster/better than yours" .... You seem, as well, somewhat akin to a fool. -- Paul - xxx |
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"Paul - xxx" wrote in message
... snip I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's bigger/faster/better than yours" .... There's bragging and there's stating the facts. Those whom the facts might offend tend to think in terms of braggadocio as a defense mechanism. I guess I can't blame them because the alternative is to admit that their boats are very slow because they chose diesel/large propeller over efficiency under sail. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Paul - xxx" wrote in message ... snip I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's bigger/faster/better than yours" .... There's bragging and there's stating the facts. Those whom the facts might offend tend to think in terms of braggadocio as a defense mechanism. I guess I can't blame them because the alternative is to admit that their boats are very slow because they chose diesel/large propeller over efficiency under sail. Who are 'they'? It would appear to me that you're bragging that your boat is faster than something with a different configuration, which just seems like an empty boast with no real substance. Stating facts would preclude using emotive words like 'Brit ******s'. -- Paul - xxx |
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"Paul - xxx" wrote in message
... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Paul - xxx" wrote in message ... snip I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's bigger/faster/better than yours" .... There's bragging and there's stating the facts. Those whom the facts might offend tend to think in terms of braggadocio as a defense mechanism. I guess I can't blame them because the alternative is to admit that their boats are very slow because they chose diesel/large propeller over efficiency under sail. Who are 'they'? It would appear to me that you're bragging that your boat is faster than something with a different configuration, which just seems like an empty boast with no real substance. Stating facts would preclude using emotive words like 'Brit ******s'. 'Emotive' is not the right word. 'Redundant' might be more apropos. Just kidding. Where's your sense of humor? Brits call each other ******s and I'm just trying to fit in and not sound like a 'yank.' Who's they? They are the people who call their motorsailers sailboats. I maintain that any boat with sails that contains a large, heavy diesel and large, often three-bladed propeller is a *******ization of a sailboat while those who operate these 'compromise boats' suffer having to put up with the worst of both worlds. For years I've been telling people that they are no sailor if their boats smell of diesel fuel. What better way to demonstrate that fact than pointing out how slow these motorsailers are compared to a real sailboat? I'm a purist. So shoot me. Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Paul - xxx" wrote in message ... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Paul - xxx" wrote in message ... snip I've rarely been one to think in terms of stereotypes, but your post smacks of being a typical American braggart .. "mine's bigger/faster/better than yours" .... There's bragging and there's stating the facts. Those whom the facts might offend tend to think in terms of braggadocio as a defense mechanism. I guess I can't blame them because the alternative is to admit that their boats are very slow because they chose diesel/large propeller over efficiency under sail. Who are 'they'? It would appear to me that you're bragging that your boat is faster than something with a different configuration, which just seems like an empty boast with no real substance. Stating facts would preclude using emotive words like 'Brit ******s'. 'Emotive' is not the right word. 'Redundant' might be more apropos. Just kidding. Where's your sense of humor? Brits call each other ******s and I'm just trying to fit in and not sound like a 'yank.' Who's they? They are the people who call their motorsailers sailboats. I maintain that any boat with sails that contains a large, heavy diesel and large, often three-bladed propeller is a *******ization of a sailboat while those who operate these 'compromise boats' suffer having to put up with the worst of both worlds. For years I've been telling people that they are no sailor if their boats smell of diesel fuel. What better way to demonstrate that fact than pointing out how slow these motorsailers are compared to a real sailboat? I'm a purist. So shoot me. BANG! Wilbur Hubbard So what's your PRF rating? -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. So you ran five miles ahead of the Dufor - in an hour? Sounds like the Dufor was anchored. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:31:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 ===== Looks like the keel could use some filling and fairing. That would help your windward performance quite a bit. Has their been a major repair made to the starboard top sides forward of the beam? |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard For what it's worth, I envy you your new blue. I'm looking forward to getting a new bottom job on Temptress. But blue? Or Copper? -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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'Cut the Mustard'. Man, that's an ugly boat ! Boo2 |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com... I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. What happened to your Swan 62? Looks like it shrunk a bit! L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com... I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. That's exactly the format we used (Worst Marine's best ablative) when we did Flying Pig. It's lasted nearly 4 years; the reveal coat (did half in blue, half in black) is showing in most places other than the waterline, but it certainly did the job on a long-term basis. New bottom job coming up this spring when we return to the states for the wedding... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
On Dec 14, 12:31*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'.. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard That's an ugly little cheap looking day sailor Neal. And whats with the clunky heavy dink? That thing is half as big as cut the cheese. Here is the new bottom paint picture you are obsessed over. http://sports.webshots.com/photo/203...63212926pHGwrs Had over 18,000 people look at RedClouds pictures there and almost 20,000 hits on You tube. Could you post a link to the purple interior and plastic clocks again? Also it looks like you cheap plastic ports are crazing. You can do a port fix on par to your boom repair and use saran wrap. I will post some pictures of the Why Me bottom job soon, I'm going to pull her out soon. Have to re-calk all the teak decks too. Going to replace the counter tops in the galley and both heads, mount the LED TV and install a larger water heater. Also have to tune up the twin 327's hard to get her faster than 30kts now. Biggest problem is getting rid of 300 gallons of gasoline thats to old to use. Any suggestions? Joe |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:29:37 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote: Biggest problem is getting rid of 300 gallons of gasoline thats to old to use. Any suggestions? Advertise it on Craig's list, might have value to someone. |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
Hi Wilbur - Lydia here! Just wanted to say how much I love the color of
your boat (yellow is absolutely my favorite color, even though if I try to wear it I look like I just rose from the grave). Nice boot stripes - did you do them? She looks lovely. -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Flying Pig" wrote in message
... Hi Wilbur - Lydia here! Just wanted to say how much I love the color of your boat (yellow is absolutely my favorite color, even though if I try to wear it I look like I just rose from the grave). Nice boot stripes - did you do them? She looks lovely. Thank you. Hi Lydia. Sounds like Skippy knows how to chose an intelligent woman of impeccable taste in yachts. Nice to hear from you. I put the boot stripe on but it's tape, not paint. It's about eight inches higher than the original as the boat contains lots more weight now in live aboard trim. The hardest thing about using boot stripe tape when raising the LWL is getting it halfway straight around the curvature of the hull. I bought the tape at West Marine. Had to get two fifty-foot rolls as one roll ended up being about a foot and a half short. Now, I have 48 feet left in case it's needed for repairing scuffs. The yellow is Imron paint professionally sprayed on about 25 years ago. I bought the boat about a year after the original owner had it sprayed. They used to race the boat and it was very stripped down and light at the time. The paint job has held up pretty well all considered. I intend to paint the faded blue above the rubbing stake again to a darker blue to match the cove stripe and middle blue of the boot stripe and darker blue of the name. Have to wait for warmer weather, though and less wind. Will do it in the water standing in the dinghy. What do you think of mauve-colored cushions in the accommodation? Everybody else likes to make fun of them but I think they look just fine. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Flying Pig" wrote in message
... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. That's exactly the format we used (Worst Marine's best ablative) when we did Flying Pig. It's lasted nearly 4 years; the reveal coat (did half in blue, half in black) is showing in most places other than the waterline, but it certainly did the job on a long-term basis. New bottom job coming up this spring when we return to the states for the wedding... My preference is the hard epoxy-based Trinidad because I can scrub and scrub it with a scrub brush and it doesn't come off but slowly. I got almost ten years out of my last bottom job with Trinidad so if I get the same out of this one I won't have any complaints. My boat's small enough that I can get the bottom scrubbed squeaky clean in only a couple hours using a scrub brush and snorkel and fins. I feel that since haul-outs are rather expensive and quite disruptive of the daily routine doing as few as possible makes sense. Thus the many layers of paint. When it gets down to the brown barrier coat then I know it's time for another bottom job. The brown barrier coat was necessary as I used to use Tri-Lux (tributyl tin) which is now banned and no longer available and it used some sort of carrier paint that Trinidad would raise and bubble and not adhere to. The barrier coat is compatible with the Tri-Lux and the Trinidad. It sure was less work than scraping off all the Tri-Lux. There's a good yard in Key Largo that let's you live aboard and do your own work. Very laid back and reasonable prices. If you remember where the Mandalay is when you anchored there in the Harbor near Rodriguez Key, it's just to the north of it. The only hitch for you would be the requirement to go in at high tide with local knowledge as the channel into the yard has shoaled so with six-feet of draft the only time you can get in and out is at high tide. Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"Flying Pig" wrote in message
... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. What happened to your Swan 62? Looks like it shrunk a bit! LOL! |
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"Boo" wrote in message
... Man, that's an ugly boat ! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard For what it's worth, I envy you your new blue. Thanks, it's pretty dark blue now. The longer it gets exposed to the elements it seems to become somewhat lighter. It's got a very high copper load of close to 80% so the blue ends up less than bright. I'm looking forward to getting a new bottom job on Temptress. But blue? Or Copper? White topsides? If so either one would look just fine. Copper will probably end up looking green which would look just fine. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Also have to tune up the twin 327's hard to get
her faster than 30kts now. Biggest problem is getting rid of 300 gallons of gasoline thats to old to use. Any suggestions? Joe Go down to your local oil recycling place, get some empty barrels in the back of your pickup, come along side and siphon the fuel to the barrels. Take em back to the recycler. Gordon |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:31:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 ===== Looks like the keel could use some filling and fairing. That would help your windward performance quite a bit. Has their been a major repair made to the starboard top sides forward of the beam? Good eyes. The keel, being cast iron suffers from some pitting. I could fair it with epoxy but then I look at pictures of whale appendages and see barnacles and stuff growing there and it doesn't seem to slow them down very much so I don't worry about it on a cruiser that seems to have no problems reaching hull speed in moderate winds. She goes to weather surprisingly well for a shoal draft boat. It's the modified Schell keel design that's got a decent lift/drag ratio considering the short span. No major repair on the starboard topsides. What you are probably seeing is the effects of the two-part, closed-cell, urethane foam I poured in between the component and the hull. The component is the inner hull piece that is molded to the hull for strength and contains stringers, vertical surfaces for the furniture, lockers, sole, etc. That foam is tricky stuff. It goes off fast and expands about fifteen times in volume. Before I got the right knack of pouring it in very small batches in the enclosed spaces after hole-sawing about a two-inch hole in the horizontal surfaces to access the closed spaces between hull and component, I poured a little too much at a time and it had a tendency to somewhat bulge the larger, unsupported by stringer spaces on the hull. But, the trade-off is a positive flotation yacht. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. So you ran five miles ahead of the Dufor - in an hour? Sounds like the Dufor was anchored. In all honesty, he did come out of the harbor about a half hour later than I did. So he was halfway hull down to begin with. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... snip So what's your PRF rating? Looks like it's 234 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronado_Yachts |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"Joe" wrote in message
... On Dec 14, 12:31 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard :: That's an ugly little cheap looking day sailor Neal. And whats with :: the clunky heavy dink? That thing is half as big as cut the cheese. I guess for a weenie-armed individual such as yourself a 45-pound dinghy might well appear clunky and heavy. But, for us real sailormen it's a simple task to pull it out of the water and flop it upside-down on the custom carrier made from stainless steel tubing. :: Here is the new bottom paint picture you are obsessed over. :: http://sports.webshots.com/photo/203...63212926pHGwrs Seems like I recally you posted that about five or seven years ago originally. I was wanting to see something a wee bit more current than that. But, I suppose you'd have to get together a deep-sea diving expedition to bet photos of Red Cloud's current bottom. :: Had over 18,000 people look at RedClouds pictures there and almost :: 20,000 hits on You tube. Everybody likes a sob story these days. . . Tales of woe, operations of ineptitude. They all identify with other hapless incompetents, it seems. :: Could you post a link to the purple interior and plastic clocks again? :: Also it looks like you cheap plastic ports are crazing. You can do a :: port fix on par to your boom repair and use saran wrap. That would be very easy to do as I don't have to mount a deep-sea diving operation to snap such photos. LOL! You are right about the dead lights. The original plastic is badly crazed but what you don't see is the 3/16" Lexan I installed on the inside beneath the frames. Sort of like what you see in an airplane cabin. :: I will post some pictures of the Why Me bottom job soon, I'm going to :: pull her out soon. :: Have to re-calk all the teak decks too. Going to replace the counter :: tops in the galley and both heads, mount the LED TV and install a :: larger water heater. Also have to tune up the twin 327's hard to get :: her faster than 30kts now. Biggest problem is getting rid of 300 :: gallons of gasoline thats to old to use. Any suggestions? Good grief don't tell me you now have a wooden motor boat. Will you never learn. (Poor bloke goes from rust to rot. ROFLOL.) Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"Joe" wrote in message
... snip :: Biggest problem is getting rid of 300 :: gallons of gasoline thats to old to use. Any suggestions? That should be no problem at all. Get an auxiliary tank big enough to get you out to international waters than dump the old gasoline. It will evaporate fast. I looked at my required, waste disposal placard and it says that outside 25 miles the only thing illegal to dump is plastic so you should be legal. Hell, ships empty their oily bilges and ballast water out there all the time. Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"WaIIy" wrote in message
... Is it necessary to cross-post your silly post? Yes, it's necessary in order to expose it to the largest possible audience who might be interested in on-topic postings. Cross-posting to related groups is not considered bad netiquette. Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
On Dec 15, 11:04*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Dec 14, 12:31 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard :: That's an ugly little cheap looking day sailor Neal. And whats with :: the clunky heavy dink? That thing is half as big as cut the cheese. I guess for a weenie-armed individual such as yourself a 45-pound dinghy might well appear clunky and heavy. But, for us real sailormen it's a simple task to pull it out of the water and flop it upside-down on the custom carrier made from stainless steel tubing. :: Here is the new bottom paint picture you are obsessed over. :: *http://sports.webshots.com/photo/203...63212926pHGwrs Seems like I recally you posted that about five or seven years ago originally. I was wanting to see something a wee bit more current than that. But, I suppose you'd have to get together a deep-sea diving expedition to bet photos of Red Cloud's current bottom. :: Had over 18,000 people look at RedClouds pictures there and almost :: 20,000 hits on You tube. Everybody likes a sob story these days. . . *Tales of woe, operations of ineptitude. They all identify with other hapless incompetents, it seems. :: Could you post a link to the purple interior and plastic clocks again? :: Also it looks like you cheap plastic ports are crazing. You can do a :: port fix on par to your boom repair and use saran wrap. That would be very easy to do as I don't have to mount a deep-sea diving operation to snap such photos. LOL! You are right about the dead lights. The original plastic is badly crazed but what you don't see is the 3/16" Lexan I installed on the inside beneath the frames. Sort of like what you see in an airplane cabin. :: I will post some pictures of the Why Me bottom job soon, I'm going to :: pull her out soon. :: Have to re-calk all the teak decks too. Going to replace the counter :: tops in the galley and both heads, mount the LED TV and install a :: larger water heater. Also have to tune up the twin 327's hard to get :: her faster than 30kts now. Biggest problem is getting rid of 300 :: gallons of gasoline thats to old to use. Any suggestions? Good grief don't tell me you now have a wooden motor boat. Will you never learn. (Poor bloke goes from rust to rot. ROFLOL.) Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No kidding, but it's a sweet live aboard 1969 Owens Aruba. Even has the Princess oven with roto attachments. I told you about it, remember when Ron posted about the forward hatch on his Owens, and then he told everyone about your rusty Toyota and the screaming fights heard across the bay all the time coming from your yellow boat and some Cuban girl? You have a very short selective memory. The Aruba is laid out nice: http://www.owensmarqueclub.com/galleryaruba.htm And here is Donna Reed showing off the princess oven. Just how American is that? http://www.owensmarqueclub.com/image...005_ad_450.jpg It's just an tempory boat until I get the next coffee boat, but I will have fun with her and take care of her until then.. Have any pictures of your boat ever going anywhere?......ever.....serious.... ... Joe |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
maintain that any boat with sails that contains a large, heavy diesel and
large, often three-bladed propeller is a *******ization of a sailboat What about folding props then, Mr Wilbur "Pug-ugly Boat Owner" Hubbard ? So shoot me. Right, right, O my brother... Boo |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message m... snip So what's your PRF rating? Looks like it's 234 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronado_Yachts Sounds right. Mine is 216. http://www.sailors.com/sfbay/racing/phrf-sf.html -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard For what it's worth, I envy you your new blue. Thanks, it's pretty dark blue now. The longer it gets exposed to the elements it seems to become somewhat lighter. It's got a very high copper load of close to 80% so the blue ends up less than bright. I'm looking forward to getting a new bottom job on Temptress. But blue? Or Copper? White topsides? If so either one would look just fine. Copper will probably end up looking green which would look just fine. Wilbur Hubbard Uhm, no, actually I was referring to Copperpoxy. http://www.svguenevere.com/2007/cp/ But it seems to be off the market now... -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard ----------- Looks good Wilburrrrr! Mine is currently a habitat for all manner of marine life. Got to get to the yard! |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"Boo" wrote in message
... maintain that any boat with sails that contains a large, heavy diesel and large, often three-bladed propeller is a *******ization of a sailboat What about folding props then, Mr Wilbur "Pug-ugly Boat Owner" Hubbard ? Folding and feathering props are a blatant admission of the folly of dragging a fixed prop on a sailboat. I think they are ludicrous as they still remain a half-assed measure. Either you have a sailboat or you have a motorboat. If you are content with having a motorboat with a big diesel and fixed prop then stop trying to claim you are a sailor. It just ain't gonna happen! Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard For what it's worth, I envy you your new blue. Thanks, it's pretty dark blue now. The longer it gets exposed to the elements it seems to become somewhat lighter. It's got a very high copper load of close to 80% so the blue ends up less than bright. I'm looking forward to getting a new bottom job on Temptress. But blue? Or Copper? White topsides? If so either one would look just fine. Copper will probably end up looking green which would look just fine. Wilbur Hubbard Uhm, no, actually I was referring to Copperpoxy. http://www.svguenevere.com/2007/cp/ But it seems to be off the market now... It might be marketed as Coppercoat nowadays... http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...int-32580.html mixed reviews Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
"MMC" wrote in message
g.com... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard ----------- Looks good Wilburrrrr! Mine is currently a habitat for all manner of marine life. Got to get to the yard! Mine was beginning to get that way after ten years scrubbing. Much of the paint was gone or very thin. While I don't mind doing a monthly scrubbing to keep the slime off when the water is warm, I refuse to get in 50 degree water to keep things under control. Also in the last year the barnacles were starting to adhere along with some types of crusty coral growth. I hate scraping barnacles and crusty stuff. It wears me out having to hold my breath again and again and again. It was time - high time. Now it should be good for years and years with just a light scrubbing from time to time. Wilbur Hubbard |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard For what it's worth, I envy you your new blue. Thanks, it's pretty dark blue now. The longer it gets exposed to the elements it seems to become somewhat lighter. It's got a very high copper load of close to 80% so the blue ends up less than bright. I'm looking forward to getting a new bottom job on Temptress. But blue? Or Copper? White topsides? If so either one would look just fine. Copper will probably end up looking green which would look just fine. Wilbur Hubbard Uhm, no, actually I was referring to Copperpoxy. http://www.svguenevere.com/2007/cp/ But it seems to be off the market now... It might be marketed as Coppercoat nowadays... http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...int-32580.html mixed reviews Wilbur Hubbard Horrid web site - good epoxy.... http://www.epoxyproducts.com/ -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: I had my fine, blue water sailing yacht hauled last week and applied three gallons on Trinidad Pro bottom paint. It amounts to six coats on the high-wear areas along the LWL, rudder and keel and four coats everywhere else. Here are a few photos that show the very clean and ultra-fast underwater design. http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238469 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238471 http://www.badongo.com/pic/11238475 After viewing the photos, even you Brit ******s will understand how no boat with a similar LWL (23-feet) can expect to keep up with 'Cut the Mustard'. You lazy sailors with your big diesels and big props dragging through the water lack a knot or two compared to my real sailboat configuration. I sailed back to my mooring in the company of a 1975, Dufour 30 - the one with the five-foot draft and racy bulb keel - and I put her hull down in an hour under working sail in 12-15 knots of wind on a reach. And the Dufour is supposed to be a fast boat. P.S. A special note to Capt. Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy. Where's the photos of "Red Cloud's" new bottom paint? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard For what it's worth, I envy you your new blue. Thanks, it's pretty dark blue now. The longer it gets exposed to the elements it seems to become somewhat lighter. It's got a very high copper load of close to 80% so the blue ends up less than bright. I'm looking forward to getting a new bottom job on Temptress. But blue? Or Copper? White topsides? If so either one would look just fine. Copper will probably end up looking green which would look just fine. Wilbur Hubbard Uhm, no, actually I was referring to Copperpoxy. http://www.svguenevere.com/2007/cp/ But it seems to be off the market now... It might be marketed as Coppercoat nowadays... http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...int-32580.html mixed reviews Wilbur Hubbard My marina quoted $980 for haul, skuff sanding, blue anti-foul rolled on, and drop her back in the water. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
Why my sailboat will beat your motorsailer.
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:48:15 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: I hate scraping barnacles and crusty stuff. It wears me out having to hold my breath again and again and again. You need a Hookah rig. You can build your own for $600 or so, useful for other things also. http://www.sailsarana.com/projects.php#hookha I use one of these: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001VO1Z8/ but amazon seems to be out of stock at the moment. Any small oil-free compressor will work. |
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