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Update: Got the Tohatsu. Am Pleased With It.
My new Tohatsu 6HP SailPro arrived last week and I'm very pleased with it. I junked the old 9.9 Honda, the block of which corroded through in the water jacket and a chunk of the casting broke away and it hairline-cracked on the opposite side in an oil passage causing it to mist oil there. I'm afraid the Honda is no salt water engine (ten years old and little used). Stay away from them as they have a bad reputation for corrosion around here. The SailPro 6HP Tohatsu http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html is reasonably priced and at about half throttle it propels my Coronado 27 with clean bottom at 4 knots. I've not run it wide open yet as I'm observing the break-in process recommended in the manual but it appears it will easily propel my yacht at hull speed at 3/4 to full throttle. (LWL = 22ft for a hull speed of around 5.5 knots) Some of the reviews of the older models had complaints of it rotating under power because the steering detent did not lock down hard enough. I've had no problem with this and it seems to be staying put even with the detent knob only about halfway screwed in. Perhaps Tohatsu addressed the issue with this 2010 model. It feels like a lot of rubber in the friction dampeners that provides vibration dampening and friction dampening. There are two zerk (grease) fittings in the clamp area so perhaps if too much grease is injected it makes the rubber too slippery and a problem could develop with it staying put in one position?? It seems to have plenty of torque and a wide powerband for such a small engine. It is not noisy nor does it stall at idle like some reviewers have complained of. It starts with one or two pulls on the recoil starter. Only holds half a quart of engine oil. All the hardware, shift linkage, trim and tilt linkage etc. appears to be stainless steel and the advertising claims the internal water cooling passages are all zinc coated for longevity. (That's what the Honda needed.) The weight is only 60 pounds as opposed to over a 100 pounds for the Honda. It's good to get the weight off the ends of the yacht. And, as light as it is, it will be easy to remove from the transom so it can be safely stowed away from the elements in a cockpit locker for those occasional ocean voyages or circumnavigations where an engine is not needed. The transom plate can then be inserted and locked in place to forestall the eventuality of a pooped cockpit. Those seas in the Roaring 40's can do some real pooping action. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Update: Got the Tohatsu. Am Pleased With It.
On 9/07/2010 9:12 a.m., Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
My new Tohatsu 6HP SailPro arrived last week and I'm very pleased with it. I junked the old 9.9 Honda, the block of which corroded through in the water jacket and a chunk of the casting broke away and it hairline-cracked on the opposite side in an oil passage causing it to mist oil there. I'm afraid the Honda is no salt water engine (ten years old and little used). Stay away from them as they have a bad reputation for corrosion around here. The SailPro 6HP Tohatsu http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html is reasonably priced and at about half throttle it propels my Coronado 27 with clean bottom at 4 knots. I've not run it wide open yet as I'm observing the break-in process recommended in the manual but it appears it will easily propel my yacht at hull speed at 3/4 to full throttle. (LWL = 22ft for a hull speed of around 5.5 knots) Some of the reviews of the older models had complaints of it rotating under power because the steering detent did not lock down hard enough. I've had no problem with this and it seems to be staying put even with the detent knob only about halfway screwed in. Perhaps Tohatsu addressed the issue with this 2010 model. It feels like a lot of rubber in the friction dampeners that provides vibration dampening and friction dampening. There are two zerk (grease) fittings in the clamp area so perhaps if too much grease is injected it makes the rubber too slippery and a problem could develop with it staying put in one position?? It seems to have plenty of torque and a wide powerband for such a small engine. It is not noisy nor does it stall at idle like some reviewers have complained of. It starts with one or two pulls on the recoil starter. Only holds half a quart of engine oil. All the hardware, shift linkage, trim and tilt linkage etc. appears to be stainless steel and the advertising claims the internal water cooling passages are all zinc coated for longevity. (That's what the Honda needed.) The weight is only 60 pounds as opposed to over a 100 pounds for the Honda. It's good to get the weight off the ends of the yacht. And, as light as it is, it will be easy to remove from the transom so it can be safely stowed away from the elements in a cockpit locker for those occasional ocean voyages or circumnavigations where an engine is not needed. The transom plate can then be inserted and locked in place to forestall the eventuality of a pooped cockpit. Those seas in the Roaring 40's can do some real pooping action. Wilbur Hubbard People I know with Tohatsu motors seem to have had very good service from them. That seems like a very good price. How old was the 10hp Honda that rotted out? That seemed to be a common problem with the early white painted models, but the newer silver painted models seem to be okay. Popular here for boats with cockpit-well mounted outboards - where two strokes stink/smoke out the cockpit. 6hp seems light for a 27' boat. I use a 10hp "extra long" shaft with large "sail drive" prop 2 stroke Suzuki, transom mounted on our 7.65m boat: http://commondatastorage.googleapis....l/17900980.jpg In good conditions, it's overkill - easy cruise at near hull speed at about 1/3 throttle and about 3-4 litres/hour, but in a heavy conditions I need it - ie pushing in to 2-3+ metre short seas and 30+ knots without any sail up (yes - it's got sails, but sometimes...). It's not that I mind going slow, it's just that I like to know that I can keep good tiller steerage when it all starts to turn to custard. Transom on my boat is quite high, so far (10 years) we haven't been pooped or afaik buried the outboard. The motor's getting old - no significant corrosion problems. I just revamped the oil injection system (after temporarily removing it because I lost faith that it would be reliable) and had the head off for a good clean out, and it's fine, but at some stage I want to replace it. Problem is that for 10hp, long shaft, large prop preferably with reverse exhaust flange, decent charging circuit, and 4 stroke for better economy, it all starts getting very heavy and expensive. Was looking at Chinese outboards "Parsun" Yamaha knock-offs. They /seem/ to be well made. In 10 years I suppose we'll have some idea if they /are/ well made. I'm not buying one to find out. |
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Update: Got the Tohatsu. Am Pleased With It.
Not trying to be a jerk, Wilbur, but you were pretty ugly to me for suggesting
that back when you wanted to fix the old motor... But I'm glad you found one that fills your needs. Richard Wilbur Hubbard wrote: My new Tohatsu 6HP SailPro arrived last week and I'm very pleased with it. I junked the old 9.9 Honda, the block of which corroded through in the water jacket and a chunk of the casting broke away and it hairline-cracked on the opposite side in an oil passage causing it to mist oil there. I'm afraid the Honda is no salt water engine (ten years old and little used). Stay away from them as they have a bad reputation for corrosion around here. The SailPro 6HP Tohatsu -- |
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Update: Got the Tohatsu. Am Pleased With It.
cavelamb wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk, Wilbur, but you were pretty ugly to me for suggesting that back when you wanted to fix the old motor... He's also been scathing about Tohatsus in general in the past. It's just one of the signs that he's a mindless troll, nothing to see, move on now. |
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... The gigantic difference between Yamaha, Honda and Tohatsu is when you need parts. Apparently, unlike Honda and Yamaha, Tohatsu does not require it's dealers to carry a minimum assortment of repair ands maintenence parts. If you need something more exotic than a water pump impeller, be prepared for a long wait. Who needs a brick and mortar dealer? http://www.tohatsuoutboardparts.com/ Wilbur Hubbard |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Not trying to be a jerk, Wilbur, but you were pretty ugly to me for suggesting that back when you wanted to fix the old motor... But I'm glad you found one that fills your needs. Richard I don't recall being nasty to you on the topic of Tohatsu. Are you sure it was me? It was probably something to do with your unrealistic liberal views that I criticized. Wilbur Hubbard |
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" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message
... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Not trying to be a jerk, Wilbur, but you were pretty ugly to me for suggesting that back when you wanted to fix the old motor... But I'm glad you found one that fills your needs. Richard I don't recall being nasty to you on the topic of Tohatsu. Are you sure it was me? It was probably something to do with your unrealistic liberal views that I criticized. Wilbur Hubbard Yah, right! Just stop it, Gregory! You're just trying to start an argument with your troll. Wilbur Hubbard |
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... On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:16:37 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message . .. The gigantic difference between Yamaha, Honda and Tohatsu is when you need parts. Apparently, unlike Honda and Yamaha, Tohatsu does not require it's dealers to carry a minimum assortment of repair ands maintenence parts. If you need something more exotic than a water pump impeller, be prepared for a long wait. Who needs a brick and mortar dealer? http://www.tohatsuoutboardparts.com/ Wilbur Hubbard Yeah, why don't you see what it would cost and how much time it would take to get a water impeller key from them! Then tell 'em where you are anchored so they can deliver it to you in a few weeks... or months. LOL If I am in a strange port, and need a part for my Yamaha, I can always find what I need that day at any place that services outboards. With a part number in hand, I have even ordered a part from a Yamaha Motorcycle dealer. Say Tohatsu, and they all roll their eyes and tell you they don't even know where to send you. Just went through this in a very large and busy port with a dozen outboard servicers within a mile radius. I otherwise think my Tohatsu is a great motor, and well made, but someday, when it dies, I will be replacing with a Yamaha for that reason alone. Hey, silly, a REAL sailor orders and stocks spare parts BEFORE they are needed. You know, things like filters, spare prop, woodruff keys, gaskets, spark plugs, water pump impellers, etc. should all be in the spare parts bin BEFORE a breakdown or normal wear part failure. Anybody who has to go schlepping around some strange port looking for an obscure part for his motor is no sailor. Only lubberly schlubs engage in that sort of stupid activity. Myself, rather than deal with some callous, brick and mortar dealer who is only interested in selling high-dollar motors and not at all interested in selling a few dollars worth of small parts for a small motor, I'd rather place my order, before I need the parts, on line. What do you think the dealer does these days? Yes, he orders them on-line as all the majors have computerized parts warehouses these days. Why should I wait around for two weeks so he can get a large enough order compiled to make it worth his while on shipping, etc.? Stupid! Why should I pay sales taxes? Stupid! Why should I pay his exorbitant mark-up? Stupid. Why should I waste time and gasoline going to and fro? Stupid! Why should I be stuck somewhere waiting for parts I should be intelligent enough to keep in stock myself? Insane! You are no sailor and you've just proven it. You go ahead and chase your parts all over God's creation, wasting valuable time and money. I'll sit here anchored, sipping a cold beer while I grill a burger and listen to Jimmy Buffet on the stereo and let them be delivered to me. I'll weigh anchor any time I damn well please because I'm no slave to stupidity and brick and mortar of any sort. Get a clue, mon! Wilbur Hubbard |
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news On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:21:40 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:16:37 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message m... The gigantic difference between Yamaha, Honda and Tohatsu is when you need parts. Apparently, unlike Honda and Yamaha, Tohatsu does not require it's dealers to carry a minimum assortment of repair ands maintenence parts. If you need something more exotic than a water pump impeller, be prepared for a long wait. Who needs a brick and mortar dealer? http://www.tohatsuoutboardparts.com/ Wilbur Hubbard Yeah, why don't you see what it would cost and how much time it would take to get a water impeller key from them! Then tell 'em where you are anchored so they can deliver it to you in a few weeks... or months. LOL If I am in a strange port, and need a part for my Yamaha, I can always find what I need that day at any place that services outboards. With a part number in hand, I have even ordered a part from a Yamaha Motorcycle dealer. Say Tohatsu, and they all roll their eyes and tell you they don't even know where to send you. Just went through this in a very large and busy port with a dozen outboard servicers within a mile radius. I otherwise think my Tohatsu is a great motor, and well made, but someday, when it dies, I will be replacing with a Yamaha for that reason alone. Hey, silly, a REAL sailor orders and stocks spare parts BEFORE they are needed. You know, things like filters, spare prop, woodruff keys, gaskets, spark plugs, water pump impellers, etc. should all be in the spare parts bin BEFORE a breakdown or normal wear part failure. Anybody who has to go schlepping around some strange port looking for an obscure part for his motor is no sailor. Only lubberly schlubs engage in that sort of stupid activity. Myself, rather than deal with some callous, brick and mortar dealer who is only interested in selling high-dollar motors and not at all interested in selling a few dollars worth of small parts for a small motor, I'd rather place my order, before I need the parts, on line. What do you think the dealer does these days? Yes, he orders them on-line as all the majors have computerized parts warehouses these days. Why should I wait around for two weeks so he can get a large enough order compiled to make it worth his while on shipping, etc.? Stupid! Why should I pay sales taxes? Stupid! Why should I pay his exorbitant mark-up? Stupid. Why should I waste time and gasoline going to and fro? Stupid! Why should I be stuck somewhere waiting for parts I should be intelligent enough to keep in stock myself? Insane! You are no sailor and you've just proven it. You go ahead and chase your parts all over God's creation, wasting valuable time and money. I'll sit here anchored, sipping a cold beer while I grill a burger and listen to Jimmy Buffet on the stereo and let them be delivered to me. I'll weigh anchor any time I damn well please because I'm no slave to stupidity and brick and mortar of any sort. Get a clue, mon! Wilbur Hubbard Best of luck, Schmuck! Ha ha! Rendered him speechless with my meaty, seamanlike riposte. Wilbur Hubbard |
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