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Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:53:22 -0500, cavelamb
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:06:27 -0700 (PDT), Ancona21 wrote: I have recently acquired a 1985 Cherubini Raider 33 which is not fitted for shore power. I need guidance on the best choice of shore power inlet types to install. I would also appreciate any information about the boat itself. It was built in Florida in 1985 - original name was MUSIC which was later changed to KOKOMO. It appears to be a tall rig model, but I have no specs. Nor do I know the draft. Any info or referrals would be greatly appreciated. Sailboats in that size range will typically be fitted with a single 30 amp Marinco (or equivalent) inlet. If you want to have air conditioning installed that would usually mandate an additional 30 amp inlet. I'd recommend getting the installation done by a certified marine electrician since shore power issues are a frequent cause of boat fires. http://www.marinco.com/files/media/p...rinco%2011.pdf Wayne's advice is well meant, but from what I've seen so far of marine services, I'd do it myself. Wiring and pin named for various connections http://www.frentzandsons.com/Hardwar...nfiguratio.htm I'd be the first to agree that it can be done as a DIY project but there are a couple of caveats. First, this is more involved than just installing a shore power inlet. There will also need to be a panel, hopefully with reverse polarity detection/prevention; circuit breakers; and branch circuits, all installed in accordance with NMEA standards. If not your insurance policy is not worth the paper it is written on, and you could face major liabilities if your boat causes a dock fire or electrocutes someone. Another issue is that most amateur electrical work stands out like a sore thumb when a boat is surveyed or resold. |
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Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
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Having spent a major piece of my career in the electrical business and also wired a couple of boats, I'll offer the following: FORGET about wiring a boat for 120VAC shore power, especially on an older boat.. Instead, wire up a "Cheater, a 30A plug, a 15A receptacle, and 12"-15" of 10-3 wire. Add to that a 25 ft, 10-3 120V extension cord with a triple receptacle outlet from a big box store. When needed, plug in, run cord inside boat, plug in hot plate and make breakfast. When finished, coil up cord, unplug cheater and store in locker. BTW, this also works for the electric hot water heater. It's safer and less costly. No need for expensive marine electrical items. BTDT, would never do it again. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject Having spent a major piece of my career in the electrical business and also wired a couple of boats, I'll offer the following: FORGET about wiring a boat for 120VAC shore power, especially on an older boat.. Instead, wire up a "Cheater, a 30A plug, a 15A receptacle, and 12"-15" of 10-3 wire. Add to that a 25 ft, 10-3 120V extension cord with a triple receptacle outlet from a big box store. When needed, plug in, run cord inside boat, plug in hot plate and make breakfast. When finished, coil up cord, unplug cheater and store in locker. BTW, this also works for the electric hot water heater. It's safer and less costly. No need for expensive marine electrical items. BTDT, would never do it again. Lew That sounds kind of like the way I did my 18, Lew. Only difference is that I hung it under the cockpit. I put a Marinco connector (15 Amp) on a power strip (with breaker and GFA) and called it done. Everything AC plugged into that. And I never had a minutes problem with any of it. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/c18.htm down at the bottom... -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:53:22 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Wayne's advice is well meant, but from what I've seen so far of marine services, I'd do it myself. Wiring and pin named for various connections http://www.frentzandsons.com/Hardwar...nfiguratio.htm I'd be the first to agree that it can be done as a DIY project but there are a couple of caveats. First, this is more involved than just installing a shore power inlet. There will also need to be a panel, hopefully with reverse polarity detection/prevention; circuit breakers; and branch circuits, all installed in accordance with NMEA standards. If not your insurance policy is not worth the paper it is written on, and you could face major liabilities if your boat causes a dock fire or electrocutes someone. Another issue is that most amateur electrical work stands out like a sore thumb when a boat is surveyed or resold. Having just been through the ENTIRE electrical suystem of my boat, I'd argue loudly that last sentence. (and you left of Ground fault). The work done by - professionals - just plain sucked. Bad crimps (by automotive type tools if I'm not mistaken), no strain relief, no drip loops, no labels, no idea of what wire does what, etc. This was not the factory wiring (perfectly adequate), but work done by a boat yard - after the fact. It's my boat, and I want it done right. Damit! Badly enough to research the standards, buy the proper tools and parts (and wire!), and do it - right. I don't have a lot of detail on the web site yet - but - http://www.home.earthlink.net/~capri...ds.htm#electro and scroll down ways to "My New arrangement"... I figer if I didn't do it right, Willie would (for sure) let me know! And he would probably be right on this one... Willie? What do I need to fix? -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:53:22 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Wayne's advice is well meant, but from what I've seen so far of marine services, I'd do it myself. Wiring and pin named for various connections http://www.frentzandsons.com/Hardwar...nfiguratio.htm I'd be the first to agree that it can be done as a DIY project but there are a couple of caveats. First, this is more involved than just installing a shore power inlet. There will also need to be a panel, hopefully with reverse polarity detection/prevention; circuit breakers; and branch circuits, all installed in accordance with NMEA standards. If not your insurance policy is not worth the paper it is written on, and you could face major liabilities if your boat causes a dock fire or electrocutes someone. Another issue is that most amateur electrical work stands out like a sore thumb when a boat is surveyed or resold. Having just been through the ENTIRE electrical suystem of my boat, I'd argue loudly that last sentence. (and you left of Ground fault). The work done by - professionals - just plain sucked. Bad crimps (by automotive type tools if I'm not mistaken), no strain relief, no drip loops, no labels, no idea of what wire does what, etc. This was not the factory wiring (perfectly adequate), but work done by a boat yard - after the fact. It's my boat, and I want it done right. Damit! Badly enough to research the standards, buy the proper tools and parts (and wire!), and do it - right. I don't have a lot of detail on the web site yet - but - http://www.home.earthlink.net/~capri...ds.htm#electro and scroll down ways to "My New arrangement"... I figer if I didn't do it right, Willie would (for sure) let me know! And he would probably be right on this one... Willie? What do I need to fix? -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ Great job Richard! |
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