On 22/04/2010 1:29 a.m., Joe wrote:
On Apr 21, 4:23 am, wrote:
On 21/04/2010 1:19 a.m., Joe wrote: On Apr 20, 1:38 am, wrote:
On 20/04/2010 3:28 p.m., Joe wrote:Coffee is the second
most traded item on earth after oil so I figured it's an area where
you can grow if you work hard and provide a good product.

Actually, it appears to be the seventh most traded agricultural product,
and I expect well down after other non-agricultural commodities are
included in a list.

http://www.globalexchange.org/campai...fee/faq.html#1

"Coffee is the US's largest food import and second most valuable
commodity only after oil."

Perhaps they got that off Wikipedia - no?

2005 stats for US imports
Coffee ~ US$3 billion.
Vegetables and fruit ~ $10 billion
Meat ~ $6 billion
Petroleum products incl gas ~ $231 billion
Alcoholic beverages ~ $11 billion
Gold ~ $4.4 billion
Copper ~ $7 billion
Aluminium ~ $12 billion
Footwear ~ $18 billion
Fish ~ 4.5 billion
etc

Lesson - don't trust industry organisations when they might be
pontificating...

Coffee is... well almost peanuts. It seems to be about (less than) 1/3
of 1% of US total imports, about where Toyota will be in a couple of
years at present rate of decline.

Reference:http://www.indexmundi.com/(original data fromhttp://www.intracen.org/)



http://www.investorguide.com/igu-art...mmodities.html

Traded in mercantile exchanges. Most trade isn't through mercantile
exchanges, it's negotiated between buyer and sellers directly.
A bag of coffee traded through exchanges might be bought and sold 20
times whilst on the water. The more volatile the market, the more it's
likely to be traded. The more volatile the market, the more chance
you'll lose your nuts while owning a cargo of beans, unless you've got
both end of the deal covered, and/or you've hedged risk by trading
currency and commodity futures to protect your profit margin.
So while you might be able to trade your way into a profit whilst
holding a cargo of beans in transit, if you want to profit from it the
way you're suggesting (presuming to know "the market") then you'd
probably do much better sitting at a desk and a computer screen.
If you can access a good product, then find a good customer (or vice versa).

On Apr 21, 3:28*pm, Me wrote:
On 22/04/2010 1:29 a.m., Joe wrote:



On Apr 21, 4:23 am, *wrote:
On 21/04/2010 1:19 a.m., Joe wrote: *On Apr 20, 1:38 am, * *wrote:
On 20/04/2010 3:28 p.m., Joe wrote:Coffee is the second
most traded item on earth after oil so I figured it's an area where
you can grow if you work hard and provide a good product.

Actually, it appears to be the seventh most traded agricultural product,
and I expect well down after other non-agricultural commodities are
included in a list.

http://www.globalexchange.org/campai...fee/faq.html#1

"Coffee is the US's largest food import and second most valuable
commodity only after oil."

Perhaps they got that off Wikipedia - no?

2005 stats for US imports
Coffee ~ US$3 billion.
Vegetables and fruit *~ $10 billion
Meat ~ $6 billion
Petroleum products incl gas ~ $231 billion
Alcoholic beverages ~ $11 billion
Gold ~ $4.4 billion
Copper ~ $7 billion
Aluminium ~ $12 billion
Footwear ~ $18 billion
Fish ~ 4.5 billion
etc

Lesson - don't trust industry organisations when they might be
pontificating...

Coffee is... well almost peanuts. *It seems to be about (less than) 1/3
of 1% of US total imports, about where Toyota will be in a couple of
years at present rate of decline.

Reference:http://www.indexmundi.com/(originaldata fromhttp://www.intracen.org/)

http://www.investorguide.com/igu-art...-basics-what-a...

Traded in mercantile exchanges. Most trade isn't through mercantile
exchanges, it's negotiated between buyer and sellers directly.
A bag of coffee traded through exchanges might be bought and sold 20
times whilst on the water. *The more volatile the market, the more it's
likely to be traded. *The more volatile the market, the more chance
you'll lose your nuts while owning a cargo of beans, unless you've got
both end of the deal covered, and/or you've hedged risk by trading
currency and commodity futures to protect your profit margin.
So while you might be able to trade your way into a profit whilst
holding a cargo of beans in transit, if you want to profit from it the
way you're suggesting (presuming to know "the market") then you'd
probably do much better sitting at a desk and a computer screen.
If you can access a good product, then find a good customer (or vice versa).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All good points for the average trader, and you are correct, in todays
world coffee can trade hands 20 + times before reaching the market,
and not just by the mercantile exchange. It's also traded by the
farmer to a coyote who runs the region collecting for a larger dealer,
who sells it to an even bigger exporter, who ships it to a reseller,
who sells it to a wholeseller who sells it to a retailer who sells it
to a grocery store. Everyone in the chain makes money off the trade,
not to mention these guys sitting in front of a computer screen
trading paper.

El Lago Coffee will go straight to the farmer and cut a fair deal
that will provide them with more profit per pound and us with a
product cost far below the end of the long trading chain now in place.
We will sell it to our customers. Done. The savings will fund the
boats construction and operating cost, and keep our price below the
average price of superior coffee.

You can jump up and down all you like, but the market has plenty of
room for growth if you can deliver a superior product at a cheaper
price, not even mentioning the eco-friendly form of transport.
Heck.... starbucks sells over 220 million pounds a year, I'd be happy
with 1% of that small precentage of the market. That would support a 4
boat fleet.

Thanks for your keen interest.

Joe

On 22/04/2010 2:44 p.m., Joe wrote:
On Apr 21, 3:28 pm, wrote:
On 22/04/2010 1:29 a.m., Joe wrote:



On Apr 21, 4:23 am, wrote:
On 21/04/2010 1:19 a.m., Joe wrote: On Apr 20, 1:38 am, wrote:
On 20/04/2010 3:28 p.m., Joe wrote:Coffee is the second
most traded item on earth after oil so I figured it's an area where
you can grow if you work hard and provide a good product.

Actually, it appears to be the seventh most traded agricultural product,
and I expect well down after other non-agricultural commodities are
included in a list.

http://www.globalexchange.org/campai...fee/faq.html#1

"Coffee is the US's largest food import and second most valuable
commodity only after oil."

Perhaps they got that off Wikipedia - no?

2005 stats for US imports
Coffee ~ US$3 billion.
Vegetables and fruit ~ $10 billion
Meat ~ $6 billion
Petroleum products incl gas ~ $231 billion
Alcoholic beverages ~ $11 billion
Gold ~ $4.4 billion
Copper ~ $7 billion
Aluminium ~ $12 billion
Footwear ~ $18 billion
Fish ~ 4.5 billion
etc

Lesson - don't trust industry organisations when they might be
pontificating...

Coffee is... well almost peanuts. It seems to be about (less than) 1/3
of 1% of US total imports, about where Toyota will be in a couple of
years at present rate of decline.

Reference:http://www.indexmundi.com/(originaldata fromhttp://www.intracen.org/)

http://www.investorguide.com/igu-art...-basics-what-a...

Traded in mercantile exchanges. Most trade isn't through mercantile
exchanges, it's negotiated between buyer and sellers directly.
A bag of coffee traded through exchanges might be bought and sold 20
times whilst on the water. The more volatile the market, the more it's
likely to be traded. The more volatile the market, the more chance
you'll lose your nuts while owning a cargo of beans, unless you've got
both end of the deal covered, and/or you've hedged risk by trading
currency and commodity futures to protect your profit margin.
So while you might be able to trade your way into a profit whilst
holding a cargo of beans in transit, if you want to profit from it the
way you're suggesting (presuming to know "the market") then you'd
probably do much better sitting at a desk and a computer screen.
If you can access a good product, then find a good customer (or vice versa).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All good points for the average trader, and you are correct, in todays
world coffee can trade hands 20 + times before reaching the market,
and not just by the mercantile exchange. It's also traded by the
farmer to a coyote who runs the region collecting for a larger dealer,
who sells it to an even bigger exporter, who ships it to a reseller,
who sells it to a wholeseller who sells it to a retailer who sells it
to a grocery store. Everyone in the chain makes money off the trade,
not to mention these guys sitting in front of a computer screen
trading paper.

El Lago Coffee will go straight to the farmer and cut a fair deal
that will provide them with more profit per pound and us with a
product cost far below the end of the long trading chain now in place.
We will sell it to our customers. Done. The savings will fund the
boats construction and operating cost, and keep our price below the
average price of superior coffee.

You can jump up and down all you like, but the market has plenty of
room for growth if you can deliver a superior product at a cheaper
price, not even mentioning the eco-friendly form of transport.
Heck.... starbucks sells over 220 million pounds a year, I'd be happy
with 1% of that small precentage of the market. That would support a 4
boat fleet.

Thanks for your keen interest.



There should be a good market for premium product at premium prices.
Premium (excl extreme premium, kope luak etc) coffee here is quite
frequently certified organic and fair-trade, but no particular premium
over uncertified varieties from the same roasters. Typical price for
such fresh roasted beans is about = US$25 / kg, about double or more the
price from "corporate" branded roasted beans. It's worth the price IMO.
Coffee has (at least here) turned from something you swilled during
breaks at work, to something like the wine business, and like the wine
business there's probably good money to be made at the huge volume
cheaper end, and also at the lower volume premium end, but a lot of
struggle in-between.

I have just read over the past few days that some foreign aid to Pacific
Islands is based on setting up coffee plantations. It's a good idea I
hope - there will be a market for coffee from Tonga or Samoa or the
smaller islands, even for people who just want to try it as a novelty.

On Apr 21, 10:20*pm, Me wrote:


Yo are fogetting that Largo Bean co/charter tour boat will fail
because of the owner. His ego does not alow for informatoin gathering.
ONce he has an idea any other input is considered to threatning to his
thin ego. He is a psychologocally fragil person who must always be
correct. insecure Ego + business+boats = failure.

He might be able to keep it together for a cople yars however his
business will have a stagering turnover rate be cause nobody wants to
work for an arogant ass. Tho9se who stay will only be brow beatten
losers who are most similar to beaten dogs. alway cringing buyt just
the type Joe likes. His charter customers wil son realize his salty
bravato is just more ignorant boastful oilfield trash.

HOw is this guy going to pay for his dream boat........... the only
way I see heim dong it is with "investors" I got one word:
R U N !

BOb

On Apr 23, 6:35*am, Bob wrote:
On Apr 21, 10:20*pm, Me wrote:

Yo are fogetting that Largo Bean co/charter tour boat will fail
because of the owner. His ego does not alow for informatoin gathering.
ONce he has an idea any other input is considered to threatning to his
thin ego. He is a psychologocally fragil person who must always be
correct. *insecure Ego + business+boats = failure.

He might be able to keep it together for a cople yars however his
business will have a stagering turnover rate be cause nobody wants to
work for an arogant ass. Tho9se who stay will only be brow beatten
losers who *are most similar to beaten dogs. alway cringing buyt just
the type Joe likes. His charter customers wil son realize his salty
bravato is just more ignorant boastful oilfield trash.

HOw is this guy going to pay for his dream boat........... the only
way I see heim dong it is with "investors" I got one word:
R U N !

BOb

Whats wrong Nealbur, life got you down?
Is your parole officer messing with you?
You sound more bitter than an old cup of Folgers.

BTW the spelling is lame, you can fake it better than that.

Joe

In article , Bob wrote:
On Apr 21, 10:20*pm, Me wrote:
Yo are fogetting that Largo Bean co/charter tour boat will fail
because of the owner. His ego does not alow for informatoin gathering.
ONce he has an idea any other input is considered to threatning to his
thin ego. He is a psychologocally fragil person who must always be
correct. insecure Ego + business+boats = failure.

I'm sorry, but this is an English speaking forum. Perhaps there is a
sailing forum somewhere on the web that is in your native language. I
suggest you use Google to search for it because your message is
completely lost here due to your inability to articulate coherently in
English.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.