Hoges in WA wrote:

Hm, no wonder you're sympathetic. Lets try again with another group. Say a
North Korean ship accidentally killed some friends of yours. Would you
then think all Asians are inferior and deserve to be killed? If they did
it on purpose would you *then* think all Asians are inferior and deserve
to be killed?

Stephen

No, you're missing the distinction between racism and bigotry.
I am selective in my prejudices, not racially biased.

[...]
I have a different Jewish experience to Larry's, and I have many Jewish
associates and friends but as I said, I understand why he is of the opinion
he is.

So, your experiences with people who have real cultural differences is
helping you understand someone who is racist. That makes no sense.

You just denied you would do what a vile racist has done and then used
an explanation of what you would do to say you understand the racist.

Stephen

Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:53:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:37:49 -0500, " Gregory Hall"
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:00:41 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:zP-dncsy_
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"Larry" wrote in message
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Joe wrote in
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It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.

Joe


Talking about money, wouldn't that be bad JewJew?


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Larry


Larry, your racism really has no place here or anywhere.

Why isn't anyone allowed to make a JOKE with the word JEW in it?

Am I supposed to feel guilty? I don't.

If I make a joke about Baptists, noone complains. Why only Jews?


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Larry


Larry, you can make jokes about anyone you want. The problem is that
your
history of racially motivated attacks is pretty clear, so your claim
about
making jokes about other groups is a load of crap. Do what you want.
I'm
not
your mother, but I certainly am not going to just let it slide without
saying anything.

And this is the News Group that has nurtured Wilbur for all these
years.


Albert

Albert, I don't think nurtured is the right word, but I see your point.
I've spoken out about this sort of behavior previously.

And rather proves the validity of my previous statement. I don't see
Larry saying those things about the Jews.... shoot, he doesn't even
say those kind of things about Wilbur-Gregory-whatever.


Albert

I can't imagine anyone here condoning Neal's behavior, and his continued
harassment of me _is_ a prime example. It's an individual attack and has
nothing to do with the subject of racism, at least nothing I can determine.

If you look at some of the stuff Larry's posted, you'll find he's said some
pretty vile things about Jews. But, believe what you want. I'm not going to
repeat them.

He popped up with his racist crap, and I called him on it. You seem to have
a problem with the latter, so whatever floats your boat.


Nope, you got it wrong. I wasn't saying that Larry shouldn't be
condemned, rather that if one individual is to be condemned for
something then equally everyone should be condemned if they, in this
case, bad mouth someone then condemn them, but don't let another
individual get away with the same sort of actions.

I remember Wilbur insulting Peggy until she vanished from the scene
however I don't remember legions leaping out of the woodwork to
condemn Wilbur.

You should. Legions are always condemning him. How could you have missed it?

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:53:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:37:49 -0500, " Gregory Hall"
wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:00:41 -0800, "Capt. JG"

wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:zP-dncsy_
reasolutions:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote in
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:

It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.

Joe


Talking about money, wouldn't that be bad JewJew?


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Larry, your racism really has no place here or anywhere.

Why isn't anyone allowed to make a JOKE with the word JEW in it?

Am I supposed to feel guilty? I don't.

If I make a joke about Baptists, noone complains. Why only Jews?


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Larry, you can make jokes about anyone you want. The problem is
that your
history of racially motivated attacks is pretty clear, so your
claim
about
making jokes about other groups is a load of crap. Do what you
want. I'm
not
your mother, but I certainly am not going to just let it slide
without
saying anything.

And this is the News Group that has nurtured Wilbur for all these
years.


Albert

Albert, I don't think nurtured is the right word, but I see your
point.
I've spoken out about this sort of behavior previously.

And rather proves the validity of my previous statement. I don't see
Larry saying those things about the Jews.... shoot, he doesn't even
say those kind of things about Wilbur-Gregory-whatever.


Albert

I can't imagine anyone here condoning Neal's behavior, and his continued
harassment of me _is_ a prime example. It's an individual attack and has
nothing to do with the subject of racism, at least nothing I can
determine.

If you look at some of the stuff Larry's posted, you'll find he's said
some pretty vile things about Jews. But, believe what you want. I'm not
going to repeat them.

He popped up with his racist crap, and I called him on it. You seem to
have a problem with the latter, so whatever floats your boat.


Nope, you got it wrong. I wasn't saying that Larry shouldn't be
condemned, rather that if one individual is to be condemned for
something then equally everyone should be condemned if they, in this
case, bad mouth someone then condemn them, but don't let another
individual get away with the same sort of actions.

I remember Wilbur insulting Peggy until she vanished from the scene
however I don't remember legions leaping out of the woodwork to
condemn Wilbur.

You should. Legions are always condemning him. How could you have missed
it?

Stephen



The Putz hides behind kill files. Self-imposed ignorance is Bruce at the
Bangkok Dock's wont.

Wilbur Hubbard

Bruce wrote in
:

If you select one individual for using a word that you don't care for
and fail to condemn every other who does essentially the same thing,
then that rather smacks of prejudice doesn't it?




Bruce, here in Zionist America, you're not supposed to utter "Jew" in any
context, whatsoever. It's become politically incorrect to just say the
word and you'll be attacked for it. Anyone, who is not a Jew, isn't
supposed to say "Jew", anywhere.



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Larry

"Larry" wrote in message
...

. . .here in Zionist America, you're not supposed to utter "Jew" in any
context, whatsoever. It's become politically incorrect to just say the
word and you'll be attacked for it. Anyone, who is not a Jew, isn't
supposed to say "Jew", anywhere.




What jew say, mon?


Wilbur Hubbard

On 2/28/10 1:13 PM, Larry wrote:
wrote in
:

If you select one individual for using a word that you don't care for
and fail to condemn every other who does essentially the same thing,
then that rather smacks of prejudice doesn't it?




Bruce, here in Zionist America, you're not supposed to utter "Jew" in any
context, whatsoever. It's become politically incorrect to just say the
word and you'll be attacked for it. Anyone, who is not a Jew, isn't
supposed to say "Jew", anywhere.




Now that you are "retired," perhaps it is time to stop blaming Jews for
your failure of a life, eh?

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:53:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:zP-dncsy_
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"Larry" wrote in message
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Joe wrote in
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:

It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.

Joe



Talking about money, wouldn't that be bad JewJew?


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry



Larry, your racism really has no place here or anywhere.


Why isn't anyone allowed to make a JOKE with the word JEW in it?

Am I supposed to feel guilty? I don't.

If I make a joke about Baptists, noone complains. Why only Jews?


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry



Larry, you can make jokes about anyone you want. The problem is that
your
history of racially motivated attacks is pretty clear, so your claim
about
making jokes about other groups is a load of crap. Do what you want.
I'm
not
your mother, but I certainly am not going to just let it slide
without
saying anything.


And this is the News Group that has nurtured Wilbur for all these
years.


Albert


Albert, I don't think nurtured is the right word, but I see your
point.
I've spoken out about this sort of behavior previously.

And rather proves the validity of my previous statement. I don't see
Larry saying those things about the Jews.... shoot, he doesn't even
say those kind of things about Wilbur-Gregory-whatever.


Albert


I can't imagine anyone here condoning Neal's behavior, and his continued
harassment of me _is_ a prime example. It's an individual attack and has
nothing to do with the subject of racism, at least nothing I can
determine.

If you look at some of the stuff Larry's posted, you'll find he's said
some
pretty vile things about Jews. But, believe what you want. I'm not going
to
repeat them.

He popped up with his racist crap, and I called him on it. You seem to
have
a problem with the latter, so whatever floats your boat.


Nope, you got it wrong. I wasn't saying that Larry shouldn't be
condemned, rather that if one individual is to be condemned for
something then equally everyone should be condemned if they, in this
case, bad mouth someone then condemn them, but don't let another
individual get away with the same sort of actions.

I remember Wilbur insulting Peggy until she vanished from the scene
however I don't remember legions leaping out of the woodwork to
condemn Wilbur.

If you select one individual for using a word that you don't care for
and fail to condemn every other who does essentially the same thing,
then that rather smacks of prejudice doesn't it?


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I don't think you can use the example of Neal being a jerk or harassing
someone as an argument against condemnation of racial prejudice. You can't
equate one-on-one harassment with condemning a whole group of people based
on the color of their skin or their ethnic heritage. At least I don't see
how they're in any way comparable. What Neal did to Peggy was reprehensible,
and several people did come to her defense, but that's not "essentially" the
same thing. I'm not sure of your definition of legions. It's a pretty small
newsgroup.

In any case, I've said what I believe. If you believe something different,
fine.

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"Hoges in WA" wrote in message
...
Hm, no wonder you're sympathetic. Lets try again with another group. Say
a North Korean ship accidentally killed some friends of yours. Would you
then think all Asians are inferior and deserve to be killed? If they did
it on purpose would you *then* think all Asians are inferior and deserve
to be killed?

Stephen

No, you're missing the distinction between racism and bigotry.
I am selective in my prejudices, not racially biased.

I think that's a reasonable argument, but I have a question (or perhaps a
comment). Don't you think we need to struggle against our prejudices? I
think that allows us to make the claim we're fully human.


To illustrate the point:-
Genetically there is no difference between Palestinians and Jews. (the
ones from Israel) They are both Semitic. However, I generally dislike
the Palestinians and generally like the Jews. That demonstrates
prejudice - I prejudge based on my experiences.

To use your point as the illustration... perhaps you don't know Palestinians
as well? Perhaps there's some other factor involved (up to you to share it).
I think we can't get away from have prejudices and bias, but we have a
choice of either fighting against those internal mindsets or "ignore" them.

I didn't comment below, but I think all of your points say about the same
thing...

With respect to Asians, I generally get on well with Chinese, although I
am not all that well disposed to those from Peking and prefer the company
of southerners - again, this is experience as I find the ones from the
north far quicker to espouse Chinese political aims and the ones from the
south more inclined to eat good food and drink heaps. I like the company
of Cantonese, but not party-liners from the capital.

This distinction also applies on Oz, as I generally am not all that well
disposed to people from Canberra (the capital) as they are far more
liberal elitist than the rest of Australia. I am led to believe that you
people have this problem with Washington DC apparatchicks also.

With respect to Africans, I would not countenance giving someone from the
Congo anything other than suspicion, whereas I'd be happy to relax in the
company of someone from Tanganyika. Unfortunately, in that blighted
tribal basket-case, there are very few tribes to like.

It has nothing to do with race and is all about track records, which is
what most people base their prejudices on. Most just don't recognise it
or admit it.

I have a different Jewish experience to Larry's, and I have many Jewish
associates and friends but as I said, I understand why he is of the
opinion he is.

I hope this makes it clearer.








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"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:35:07 -0500, Harry
wrote:

On 2/27/10 7:57 PM, Capt. JG wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:03:05 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Larry wrote:
"Capt. wrote in news:zP-dncsy_
reasolutions:

wrote in message
...
wrote in
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:

It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.

Joe


Talking about money, wouldn't that be bad JewJew?


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Larry, your racism really has no place here or anywhere.


Why isn't anyone allowed to make a JOKE with the word JEW in it?

Am I supposed to feel guilty? I don't.

If I make a joke about Baptists, noone complains. Why only Jews?

A derogatory joke about Jews is racist, a derogatory joke about
Baptists
is not racist. Pretty simple. If you were consistently derisive about
any other race, like Africans or Asians, you'd be getting the same
grief, maybe more.

Stephen


I suggest that your statement is incorrect. Do some research on the
type of jokes told in the Catskill resorts, commonly known as the
Borsch Belt. Or read up on current Israeli humor. You will find that
the jokes are far more vicious then the rather innocuous remarks made
by Larry.

And, if you think that a joke about Baptists can't be derogatory have
a look at N. Irish humor, or even British, for that matter who not
only differentiate between "church" and "chapel" but also proper
schools and "red brick universities".

And is you want to hear really vicious ethnic humor listen to the
Chinese, if you want to talk about Asians.

In fact I have never been anywhere that the "people" didn't talk about
the "other people". I don't know that condemning something that
appears to be universal is entirely logical.


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I think there's a big difference between Borsch Belt humor and the many
racist comments Larry's made over the last, say, year. Perhaps you
missed
them. I think Stephen recalls them, which was why he commented. I
certainly
do. I called Larry on them then, and I do now.



The old borscht belt humor was about Jews telling jokes about Jews to
other Jews. Larry's anti-Jewish comments and "jokes" are grounded in his
anti-Semitism.


Ah.. rather a prejudgment isn't that? Larry is anti-Semitic and thus
if he uses the word "Jew" twice in a row it is bad?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


Nope... dozens of times, probably more than that. Read through some of his
previous posts where he said A.H. didn't finish the job, etc.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:53:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Larry" wrote in message
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Joe wrote in
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It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.

Joe



Talking about money, wouldn't that be bad JewJew?


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"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry



Larry, your racism really has no place here or anywhere.


Why isn't anyone allowed to make a JOKE with the word JEW in it?

Am I supposed to feel guilty? I don't.

If I make a joke about Baptists, noone complains. Why only Jews?


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry



Larry, you can make jokes about anyone you want. The problem is that
your
history of racially motivated attacks is pretty clear, so your claim
about
making jokes about other groups is a load of crap. Do what you want.
I'm
not
your mother, but I certainly am not going to just let it slide
without
saying anything.


And this is the News Group that has nurtured Wilbur for all these
years.


Albert


Albert, I don't think nurtured is the right word, but I see your
point.
I've spoken out about this sort of behavior previously.

And rather proves the validity of my previous statement. I don't see
Larry saying those things about the Jews.... shoot, he doesn't even
say those kind of things about Wilbur-Gregory-whatever.


Albert


I can't imagine anyone here condoning Neal's behavior, and his continued
harassment of me _is_ a prime example. It's an individual attack and has
nothing to do with the subject of racism, at least nothing I can
determine.

If you look at some of the stuff Larry's posted, you'll find he's said
some
pretty vile things about Jews. But, believe what you want. I'm not going
to
repeat them.

He popped up with his racist crap, and I called him on it. You seem to
have
a problem with the latter, so whatever floats your boat.


Nope, you got it wrong. I wasn't saying that Larry shouldn't be
condemned, rather that if one individual is to be condemned for
something then equally everyone should be condemned if they, in this
case, bad mouth someone then condemn them, but don't let another
individual get away with the same sort of actions.

I remember Wilbur insulting Peggy until she vanished from the scene
however I don't remember legions leaping out of the woodwork to
condemn Wilbur.

If you select one individual for using a word that you don't care for
and fail to condemn every other who does essentially the same thing,
then that rather smacks of prejudice doesn't it?


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I don't think you can use the example of Neal being a jerk or harassing
someone as an argument against condemnation of racial prejudice. You can't
equate one-on-one harassment with condemning a whole group of people based
on the color of their skin or their ethnic heritage. At least I don't see
how they're in any way comparable. What Neal did to Peggy was
reprehensible, and several people did come to her defense, but that's not
"essentially" the same thing. I'm not sure of your definition of legions.
It's a pretty small newsgroup.

In any case, I've said what I believe. If you believe something different,
fine.

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You also stated that when you look at things they sometimes morph into
lizards. With that in mind, why should anybody care what your 10X LSD
overdosed mind believes about anything?

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