On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:20:59 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I volunteer a lot these days, which
is good for me and, one hopes, the students who can't afford a regular
class.

Pro bono sailing instruction. Cool.

How will they afford to go sailing?

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:20:59 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I volunteer a lot these days, which
is good for me and, one hopes, the students who can't afford a regular
class.

Pro bono sailing instruction. Cool.

How will they afford to go sailing?



I think in some cases they're just testing the waters. I know that a few of
the people who've taken the "free" classes have gone on to take the
full-blown courses. Some are kids from poor homes. Also, money really isn't
a requirement for sailing, as there are lots of crew opportunities. Boat
ownership is, of course, a different matter.

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On Jul 29, 7:01*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message

et...







"cavelamb" wrote in message
om...
Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack)
next month.

Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what
would be a good reason to have a captains ticket.

Also?
What's the legal down side?

Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the
test.

Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And being
a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan go
"splat!"

Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license.

--
KLC Lewis

Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations!
www.KLCLewisStudios.com

This is basically correct.

Additional pros.. personal satisfaction, if you desire to teach through a
reputable program, you will almost certainly be required to have the minimum
license (OUPV = Six pack).

Additional con.. there are costs associated with getting a license, e.g.,
the TWIC card (~$135/5 yrs.) and CG licensing fees ($200 one-time, then a
renewal every 5 years of less than that), not to mention insurance cost
difference. Oh, and there's a diff in the legal alcohol limit.


And dont for get the physical $100+
and the DOT drug test
and mmd now called a MMCredential optional but why not which will have
your Master/OICNW STCW. bla bla bla
and ....

On Jul 29, 7:01*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message

et...







"cavelamb" wrote in message
om...
Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack)
next month.

Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what
would be a good reason to have a captains ticket.

Also?
What's the legal down side?

Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the
test.

Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And being
a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan go
"splat!"

Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license.

--
KLC Lewis

Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations!
www.KLCLewisStudios.com

This is basically correct.


Oh, and by the way you aint gonna get a fancy 25 grt Master license to
hang on your wall anymore........... its gone. Now all you get is the
Mercant Mariner's Credential..... a passport looking thingy.

On Jul 30, 6:42*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

m...





slide wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack)
next month.

Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what
would be a good reason to have a captains ticket.

Also?
What's the legal down side?

I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the
information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know
what to study.

Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some
instances you can't plead ignorance.

No argument about that...

I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on
active duty in the Navy.

In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes.
My next step with ASA is an instructor rating .

I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket,
but I don't really need it for what I'm doing.

It is not needed to teach through ASA.

Still considering it, but will probably pass this time.
Maybe some day though...

But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license?
Or even training from a school like ASA?

Richard

Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're
teaching on a boat with an engine.

50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements.

now is that INLAND or NEAR COAST?

So ya lied on the Small Service Form about all that time on your 29'
sailboat???? Good-on!
Lets see, "... a day over 5 GRT will get you 50 ton.

BOb

50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements.


Argg since we are hanging our peckers out for all to gaze:


LIVE FROM FOUCHON LOUISIANA

100 grt/200 grt Near Coast
AB Unlimited, RFPNW

Next stop 1600 GRT Mate

Its pretty knarly in the oilpatch i get to tie-up the boat (900+GRT/
180+') using 3" nylon..... try humping that around n tossing an eye
over a bit.... Argg...!

What can you do with a OUPV? not much get the Master License its only
a day or two longer and then you can be a crewboat Captain like whats
his name of the SUNK Red Clown..... Hell you can get your MMC and go
work for a living
Bob

On Aug 12, 8:37*am, Bob wrote:
50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements.

Argg since we are hanging our peckers out for all to gaze:

LIVE FROM FOUCHON LOUISIANA

100 grt/200 grt Near Coast
AB Unlimited, RFPNW

Next stop 1600 GRT Mate

Its pretty knarly in the oilpatch i get to tie-up the boat (900+GRT/
180+') using 3" nylon..... try humping that around n tossing an eye
over a bit.... Argg...!

What can you do with a OUPV? not much get the Master License its only
a day or two longer *and then you can be a crewboat Captain like whats
his name of the SUNK Red Clown..... Hell you can get your MMC and go
work for a living
Bob

Hey Bob..I saw you attacking Rob's wife.. Are you like that fellow
who hates all women because of constant rejection? The loser who
murdered all the women at the gym?

Seems like it to me..... I mean why would you attack a woman you do
not know? Did it make you feel more manly?. You define "chicken****"
and "douchbag" IMO.

I doubt anyone will turn a boat over to you. If you just got an
unlimited AB you have a very long road ahead, 3+ years underway for a
1600 masters. Thats going to take you 6 years most likely.

You are crying like a little baby tossing 3" lines...ya will never
make it "Slave"/green horn. A crew boat would beat you to death.
Sheeze you're not able to toss a 3"nylon or poly line with out crying
about it. Crewboats take more skill and agility to run than any other
type of boats in the field no, you will be up against 20 and 30 yo
Captns with more time in the field.

A little douchbag like you who thinks it's funny when a person loses
a boat will get what you deserve at sea. I've know a dozen Captains
that have lost boats, crew members, and have had very serious
injuries. None of it is a joke, it is part of the job.. Only a stupid
greenhorn, asshole, know it all, like you thinks it's funny.

Again..what comes around will go around.

Most likely you are a liar and have never set foot on any anchor
boat, we all know you use a sock puppet to hide behind, because you
are not man enough to be real.

Stay behind momma's skirt "Bob" you can not handle the real world.

Joe

"Bob" wrote in message
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50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements.


Argg since we are hanging our peckers out for all to gaze:


LIVE FROM FOUCHON LOUISIANA

100 grt/200 grt Near Coast
AB Unlimited, RFPNW

Next stop 1600 GRT Mate

Its pretty knarly in the oilpatch i get to tie-up the boat (900+GRT/
180+') using 3" nylon..... try humping that around n tossing an eye
over a bit.... Argg...!

What can you do with a OUPV? not much get the Master License its only
a day or two longer and then you can be a crewboat Captain like whats
his name of the SUNK Red Clown..... Hell you can get your MMC and go
work for a living
Bob



I think it's time everybody stopped beating up poor Joe for his being unable
to complete a simple voyage from Belize to Texas without sinking his beloved
"Red Cloud." After all, when you spend thousands upon thousands of hours at
sea as a professional captain like Joe has, sooner or later you will end up
having a mishap or two. The odds just piled up against poor Joe. He couldn't
help it. There was nothing he could have done to prevent that storm of the
century, early winter, cold front from sinking his boat. Let's look at it
closer.

1) Since Joe obviously is a motorboater and not a blowboater his diesel was
the only thing he was used to relying on. He was told over and over again by
this author that pilothouse sailboats were dangerous and not suited to an
extended ocean voyage. I guess a motorboater must have his pilothouse,
nonetheless . . .

2) Joe never developed adequate sailing skills and strategy because of his
overreliance on the diesel. He obviously knew nothing about sailing
standards and protocol. That football stadium sized American flag sort of
tells the whole sordid tale.

3) When the diesel failed Joe still kept the diesel mentality which told him
to bash to weather at all costs. Stick to the schedule. Muscle his way
through.

4) Poor Joe just didn't have what it takes to be a real sailor despite his
constant bragging about his sailing prowess. Like most of the good folks who
post to RBC, poor Joe is just another motorhead trying to be seen as a
sailor. He thought he could pull the wool over everybody's eyes with his
bullcrap but when push came to shove his inadequately prepared and crewed
motorsail boat was prematurely abandoned and pushed and shoved all the way
to the bottom of the Gulf.

So, please give motorboat Joe a break. It wasn't his fault. It was simply
HIS turn to be sunk by a little ole Gulf cold front. If even the most
competent of us real sailors who know how to sail and who know sailing
strategy and sailing preparation get sunk once in a while why should it be
expected that Joe NOT to be an eventual victim?

I guess I should thank MY lucky stars that after thousands of miles of ocean
voyaging under pure sail that I haven't sunk a boat to date. I'm sure skill
and preparation has NOTHING to do with it. It's just the luck of the draw.
Yup! That's the ticket.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Bob" wrote in message
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On Jul 29, 7:01 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message

et...







"cavelamb" wrote in message
om...
Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack)
next month.

Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what
would be a good reason to have a captains ticket.

Also?
What's the legal down side?

Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the
test.

Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And
being
a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan
go
"splat!"

Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license.

--
KLC Lewis

Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations!
www.KLCLewisStudios.com

This is basically correct.

Additional pros.. personal satisfaction, if you desire to teach through a
reputable program, you will almost certainly be required to have the
minimum
license (OUPV = Six pack).

Additional con.. there are costs associated with getting a license, e.g.,
the TWIC card (~$135/5 yrs.) and CG licensing fees ($200 one-time, then a
renewal every 5 years of less than that), not to mention insurance cost
difference. Oh, and there's a diff in the legal alcohol limit.


And dont for get the physical $100+
and the DOT drug test
and mmd now called a MMCredential optional but why not which will have
your Master/OICNW STCW. bla bla bla
and ....

Typically, most health insurance programs cover an annual physical. (You
need a hearing and eye test also, btw.) The drug test is via an approved
facility or you can get a Maritime Consortium card if your employer offers
it (in that case no cost, since the employer pays). Of course, you're right.
For higher licenses there are higher costs.

Too bad about the "new" credential. I hadn't heard that. The good news is
that you get to keep your old license document to hang on the wall. The new
one will make it easier to carry the license with you (the original, not a
copy).



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob" wrote in message
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On Jul 30, 6:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

m...





slide wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack)
next month.

Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what
would be a good reason to have a captains ticket.

Also?
What's the legal down side?

I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the
information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know
what to study.

Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some
instances you can't plead ignorance.

No argument about that...

I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on
active duty in the Navy.

In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes.
My next step with ASA is an instructor rating .

I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket,
but I don't really need it for what I'm doing.

It is not needed to teach through ASA.

Still considering it, but will probably pass this time.
Maybe some day though...

But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license?
Or even training from a school like ASA?

Richard

Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're
teaching on a boat with an engine.

50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements.

now is that INLAND or NEAR COAST?

So ya lied on the Small Service Form about all that time on your 29'
sailboat???? Good-on!
Lets see, "... a day over 5 GRT will get you 50 ton.

BOb

?? Are you playing dumb? You answered your question yourself. I have a 50GT
inland and an OUPV Near Coastal. FYI, it's a 30'.




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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com