"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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You have NO CLUE about sailing a fractional rig like ours...that much
is obvious. One of the benefits of such a rig is that you can roll the
genny and sail along quite nicely under the big main...which is
exactly what we did at a very comfortable 5 knots. Which children
aboard this is a huge advantage over most mastheads. A 35s5 does just
sail well under main alone, it sails GREAT. While other boats fell off
and struggled we passed Hart Island within an hour.


While a fractional rig might well have the mast placed a little further
forward it is STILL designed to be balanced under BOTH mainsail and jib. The
center of effort is still brought forward with respect to the center of
lateral resistance by virtue of the jib or genoa being part of the sailplan.

When you savage the sailplan by striking the genoa you savage the balance of
the yacht and you impart more weather helm by virtue of the fact that you
have moved the center of effort aft compared to the center of lateral
resistance.

I don't give a hoot about your silly fractional rig other than the fact that
it is still a sloop and a sloop is designed to sail with BOTH sails drawing.
Get a clue, loser!

Wilbur Hubbard

On Jul 19, 4:14 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

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You have NO CLUE about sailing a fractional rig like ours...that much
is obvious. One of the benefits of such a rig is that you can roll the
genny and sail along quite nicely under the big main...which is
exactly what we did at a very comfortable 5 knots. Which children
aboard this is a huge advantage over most mastheads. A 35s5 does just
sail well under main alone, it sails GREAT. While other boats fell off
and struggled we passed Hart Island within an hour.

While a fractional rig might well have the mast placed a little further
forward it is STILL designed to be balanced under BOTH mainsail and jib. The
center of effort is still brought forward with respect to the center of
lateral resistance by virtue of the jib or genoa being part of the sailplan.

When you savage the sailplan by striking the genoa you savage the balance of
the yacht and you impart more weather helm by virtue of the fact that you
have moved the center of effort aft compared to the center of lateral
resistance.

I don't give a hoot about your silly fractional rig other than the fact that
it is still a sloop and a sloop is designed to sail with BOTH sails drawing.
Get a clue, loser!

Wilbur Hubbard




Oh....I think everyone else thought that you can fly the boat with
VARIOUS sails and combinations....such as genoa alone, main alone,
main + Genoa + drifter or just a storm sail and so on.....

We had NO IDEA that you can't sail a sloop with just one sail! I guess
that's why J-Boats actually talk about that ability in their
marketing...because YOU think it's wrong!

Dude....you busted yourself SO BADLY. You still never answered a
single question about VMG or course because you're clueless. Even your
comment about the longevity of the sail was wrong! Do you even know
what type of Kevlar I'm flying?

We had another great sail while you posted and downloaded episodes of
Deep Space 9! Let us know if you ever actually go sailing...and maybe
you can post a pic to prove it...without a bent boom!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVmrrR4_eo4

RB
35s5
NY

On Jul 19, 11:28*am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
We're just having such a wonderful season of sailing. I don't think
we've had a single windless day and our short cruises have been
fantastic. Block Island is on the menu is a few weeks and a few other
shorter runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drDm3WZcK4I

Hope everyone is having fun on the water!

RB
35s5
NY

Looks like fun Bob, cept that cold water forced swim. My dad would
just toss us in, wanting to make sure he was getting his money's worth
out of the swimming lessons ;0).

Have fun on the trip to Block Island. The USCG use to always use the
Block Island charts on the navigation portion of the Masters test.

You still looking for a bigger boat?

Joe

Looks like fun Bob, cept that cold water forced swim. My dad would
just toss us in, wanting to make sure he was getting his money's worth
out of the swimming lessons ;0).

Have fun on the trip to Block Island. The USCG use to always use the
Block Island charts on the navigation portion of the Masters test.

You still looking for a bigger boat?

Joe



We have been considering a bigger boat, but weekends like this one
make me feel that Heart of Gold is plenty for us at the moment. We are
still doing mostly social day sailing, often with other kids aboard
along with Thomas. The light air ability, fast handling and things
like a swim platform and aft cabin have been a huge asset when we do
stay on the boat...or go out for a swim. For a few months I had
convinced myself that a Corbin 39 Pilothouse would be next year's
boat, but I think we'll wait a bit longer. Meanwhile we've been using
a new Doyle chute and drifter quite a bit and really enjoying the boat
more. I also added a big 150 genoa, which will be good for August if
these winds ever do die down.

How goes it on your end? What's the plan?





Robert

On Jul 20, 1:55 am, cavelamb wrote:
Would you guys kindly leave the poor dumb **** alone.

No, he doesn't have a clue. That's true.
But pleas quit trying to put the poor ******* in his place.

Tell me about how the boat handles.
Tell me about your crew.
Where you've sailed.
What's you've done.

But leave Wilbur out of the discussions.
DON'T reply to him.
DON'T correct him.
DON'T make fun of him.
Just leave him alone.
Ignore him.



Wilbur is actually Neal Warren, who used to have a boat. Health issues
and lack of money have taken away his boat and sailing days. His
frustrations have driven him to post all day and every day, mostly NOT
about sailing. Responding to him is a bone I can afford and he always
comes up short anyway.
The bottom line is that we sail and he doesn't. No amount of posting,
flaming and trolling can ease that pain for him. I pity the guy
actually.



RB
35s5
NY

On Jul 20, 8:56*am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
*Looks like fun Bob, cept that cold water forced swim. My dad would
just toss us in, wanting to make sure he was getting his money's worth
out of the swimming lessons ;0).

*Have fun on the trip to Block Island. The USCG use to always use the
Block Island charts on the navigation portion of the Masters test.

*You still looking for a bigger boat?

Joe

We have been considering a bigger boat, but weekends like this one
make me feel that Heart of Gold is plenty for us at the moment. We are
still doing mostly social day sailing, often with other kids aboard
along with Thomas. The light air ability, fast handling and things
like a swim platform and aft cabin have been a huge asset when we do
stay on the boat...or go out for a swim. For a few months I had
convinced myself that a Corbin 39 Pilothouse would be next year's
boat, but I think we'll wait a bit longer. Meanwhile we've been using
a new Doyle chute and drifter quite a bit and really enjoying the boat
more. I also added a big 150 genoa, which will be good for August if
these winds ever do die down.

How goes it on your end? What's the plan?

Robert

Plans still a bigger better boat for the job.

Plugging along. Sales of the coffee are picking up, but we have a long
way to go before we lay a keel for the next coffee boat. Need to land
some big corporate type accounts. Roger Long came up with a sweet
looking 79' hull that can carry a standard 20' container. You can see
it on youtube... just search "El lago Coffee" it's at the end of the
Voyage of Redcloud video.

The dog days came early this year and it's been Hot, that 70 degree
water sounds nice. Been working on this boat a bit, lost a rub rail, a
cleat and a sampson post in hurricane Ike. Have a ton of teak that
needs varnished.

Joe

On Jul 20, 10:47 am, Joe wrote:
On Jul 20, 8:56 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:



Looks like fun Bob, cept that cold water forced swim. My dad would
just toss us in, wanting to make sure he was getting his money's worth
out of the swimming lessons ;0).

Have fun on the trip to Block Island. The USCG use to always use the
Block Island charts on the navigation portion of the Masters test.

You still looking for a bigger boat?

Joe

We have been considering a bigger boat, but weekends like this one
make me feel that Heart of Gold is plenty for us at the moment. We are
still doing mostly social day sailing, often with other kids aboard
along with Thomas. The light air ability, fast handling and things
like a swim platform and aft cabin have been a huge asset when we do
stay on the boat...or go out for a swim. For a few months I had
convinced myself that a Corbin 39 Pilothouse would be next year's
boat, but I think we'll wait a bit longer. Meanwhile we've been using
a new Doyle chute and drifter quite a bit and really enjoying the boat
more. I also added a big 150 genoa, which will be good for August if
these winds ever do die down.

How goes it on your end? What's the plan?

Robert

Plans still a bigger better boat for the job.

Plugging along. Sales of the coffee are picking up, but we have a long
way to go before we lay a keel for the next coffee boat. Need to land
some big corporate type accounts. Roger Long came up with a sweet
looking 79' hull that can carry a standard 20' container. You can see
it on youtube... just search "El lago Coffee" it's at the end of the
Voyage of Redcloud video.

The dog days came early this year and it's been Hot, that 70 degree
water sounds nice. Been working on this boat a bit, lost a rub rail, a
cleat and a sampson post in hurricane Ike. Have a ton of teak that
needs varnished.

Joe



I watched the video....the new boat looks like she'll do the job.
Bully for you to go ahead undaunted...or perhaps somewhat daunted, but
showing the resolve to press forward. I wish you great luck and please
keep us all posted on your progress. You're a real sailor!


Robert

Looks like fun Bob, cept that cold water forced swim. My dad would
just toss us in, wanting to make sure he was getting his money's worth
out of the swimming lessons ;0).

Have fun on the trip to Block Island. The USCG use to always use the
Block Island charts on the navigation portion of the Masters test.


As of two years ago they were still using Block Island charts on the
navigation portion of the Masters test.

Cap Joe