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Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that
when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I label the sharp end and the blunt end. It's enough for me. |
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I label the sharp end and the blunt end. It's enough for me. Sharp end and blunt end of what? lol -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:17:39 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I label the sharp end and the blunt end. It's enough for me. Sharp end and blunt end of what? lol We are not talking about parking the pink bus here.. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. |
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:17:39 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I label the sharp end and the blunt end. It's enough for me. Sharp end and blunt end of what? lol We are not talking about parking the pink bus here.. Sorry... no idea what you're talking about. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote
Suggestions welcome. You could go the Captain Ron route and use a system of colored ribbons. "Red running, blue standing." (Or was it the other way around?) |
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A sharpie works very well. It will fade, but you can re-do it, and it'll
fade so when you no longer want it, it's gone. They use this method on the AC boats early in the campaigns. "Capt. JG" wrote in message .. . Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan -- "j" ganz @@ www.now.com |
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:17:39 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I label the sharp end and the blunt end. It's enough for me. Sharp end and blunt end of what? lol We are not talking about parking the pink bus here.. Forgive him. He's always used blotters. Said in one of his alt.drug postings that needles are for idiots. -- Gregory Hall |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-) I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing, but again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
et... "Capt. JG" wrote Suggestions welcome. You could go the Captain Ron route and use a system of colored ribbons. "Red running, blue standing." (Or was it the other way around?) I forgot that part of the movie... loved it though.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bubba" wrote in message ...
A sharpie works very well. It will fade, but you can re-do it, and it'll fade so when you no longer want it, it's gone. They use this method on the AC boats early in the campaigns. "Capt. JG" wrote in message .. . Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan Not sure if I want to write on my gelcoat.... I suppose that would work. Maybe I can find some who can print more legibly than I. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message om... Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-) I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing, but again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something. My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman. Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for. Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for reading labels anyway. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions... "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:17:39 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I label the sharp end and the blunt end. It's enough for me. Sharp end and blunt end of what? lol We are not talking about parking the pink bus here.. Sorry... no idea what you're talking about. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Methinks he's talking about the bow and stern of the boat itself. ;-) -- KLC Lewis www.cafepress.com/tmen www.zazzle.com/klclewis www.KLCLewisStudios.com |
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... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message news:EpSdnSdoleRXlW_UnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthlink. com... Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-) I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing, but again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something. My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman. Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for. Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for reading labels anyway. Bingo! I color-code my lines, sheets are black, halyards are red (roller furler) and green (mains'l), other lines are usually white with colored runners -- but I always try to stress "look where the line goes" rather than "grab that black line on the coachroof." -- KLC Lewis www.cafepress.com/tmen www.zazzle.com/klclewis www.KLCLewisStudios.com |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:17:39 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message m... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I label the sharp end and the blunt end. It's enough for me. Sharp end and blunt end of what? lol We are not talking about parking the pink bus here.. Sorry... no idea what you're talking about. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Methinks he's talking about the bow and stern of the boat itself. ;-) -- KLC Lewis www.cafepress.com/tmen www.zazzle.com/klclewis www.KLCLewisStudios.com His boat is a pink bus? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message news:EpSdnSdoleRXlW_UnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthlink. com... Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-) I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing, but again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something. My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman. Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for. Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for reading labels anyway. Fortunately, my boat doesn't have a spaghetti wire of lines. I think it's helpful, at least initially, for students to not be confused. This is especially useful when I take charters with inexperienced but willing people. In any case, I'm looking for a solution if you know of one... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:17:39 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Sharp end and blunt end of what? lol We are not talking about parking the pink bus here.. Sorry... no idea what you're talking about. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Methinks he's talking about the bow and stern of the boat itself. ;-) -- KLC Lewis www.cafepress.com/tmen www.zazzle.com/klclewis www.KLCLewisStudios.com His boat is a pink bus? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Well, I was referring to the former rather than the latter. I will not speculate on the micro-bus. lol |
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:45:14 -0500, cavelamb
wrote: Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I use different color lines but the colors aren't intended to mean anything special. There are two red lines and one blue in the cockpit - P & SB jib sheets and main sheet. Seems to work on my boat but where a boat has all lines led back to the cockpit I have seen labels at the cleats or clutches. some boats have those slick black "name tag" labels. the ones where you engrave the words and they show up in white. Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:17:39 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Sharp end and blunt end of what? lol We are not talking about parking the pink bus here.. Sorry... no idea what you're talking about. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Methinks he's talking about the bow and stern of the boat itself. ;-) -- KLC Lewis www.cafepress.com/tmen www.zazzle.com/klclewis www.KLCLewisStudios.com His boat is a pink bus? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Well, I was referring to the former rather than the latter. I will not speculate on the micro-bus. lol Umm... yes, I got the first reference... but what if you have a canoe stern? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:45:14 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I use different color lines but the colors aren't intended to mean anything special. There are two red lines and one blue in the cockpit - P & SB jib sheets and main sheet. Seems to work on my boat but where a boat has all lines led back to the cockpit I have seen labels at the cleats or clutches. some boats have those slick black "name tag" labels. the ones where you engrave the words and they show up in white. Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I'm looking for the device that makes the labels that don't fade. There are two that I've found on the web... one's called DYMO MarinePro. Decent price of $50. The other is a metal label for double that. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions... e micro-bus. lol Umm... yes, I got the first reference... but what if you have a canoe stern? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Dunno. I have a round stern. My boat has a flat one, though. :-D |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... e micro-bus. lol Umm... yes, I got the first reference... but what if you have a canoe stern? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Dunno. I have a round stern. My boat has a flat one, though. :-D I had a student last summer who was, to be impolite, fat. I mean rotund. Nice guy. Anyway, the center requires a swim test, which he did, but had trouble climbing out. When he got out he said, "Hey, I'm in shape! Round. That's a shape right?" Everyone laughed. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I have 2 Brother P-touches. The older one that I have at home uses TZ style labels, and for some reason those don't fade. Some labels that I put on the clutches over 10 years ago are still very readable, and that includes years in the Caribbean sun. The other one, which uses some other style, fades rapidly. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. I bet they still make the Dymo, a daisywheel punch that imprints 1/4 inch plastic strips. Casady |
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:02:04 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Bubba" wrote in message ... A sharpie works very well. It will fade, but you can re-do it, and it'll fade so when you no longer want it, it's gone. They use this method on the AC boats early in the campaigns. "Capt. JG" wrote in message .. . Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan Not sure if I want to write on my gelcoat.... I suppose that would work. Maybe I can find some who can print more legibly than I. I doubt shellac will attack gel coat. So write over a patch of that. Casady |
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:14:59 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. I bet they still make the Dymo, a daisywheel punch that imprints 1/4 inch plastic strips. They do. I keep one on my boat for labeling things and they hold up very well. Not as high tech as a P-Touch but very inexpensive and durable. I think all of the big office supply chains carry them. |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:02:04 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Bubba" wrote in message ... A sharpie works very well. It will fade, but you can re-do it, and it'll fade so when you no longer want it, it's gone. They use this method on the AC boats early in the campaigns. "Capt. JG" wrote in message .. . Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan Not sure if I want to write on my gelcoat.... I suppose that would work. Maybe I can find some who can print more legibly than I. I doubt shellac will attack gel coat. So write over a patch of that. Casady Yeah, but my printing sucks. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. . "Capt. JG" wrote in : Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan I have 2 Brother P-touches. The older one that I have at home uses TZ style labels, and for some reason those don't fade. Some labels that I put on the clutches over 10 years ago are still very readable, and that includes years in the Caribbean sun. The other one, which uses some other style, fades rapidly. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Thanks. I was wondering about the TZ labels. I've heard they're better. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. I bet they still make the Dymo, a daisywheel punch that imprints 1/4 inch plastic strips. Casady They make the aluminum/stainless strip dymo. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan Check the 2009 West marine catalog page 682 Sail Control Labels $8.42 |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan Check the 2009 West marine catalog page 682 Sail Control Labels $8.42 Actually, great suggestion... they also sell Nash labels for even less. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:00:57 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message news:EpSdnSdoleRXlW_UnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthlink .com... Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-) I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing, but again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something. My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman. Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for. Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for reading labels anyway. Fortunately, my boat doesn't have a spaghetti wire of lines. I think it's helpful, at least initially, for students to not be confused. This is especially useful when I take charters with inexperienced but willing people. In any case, I'm looking for a solution if you know of one... Sorry, I am not that familiar with sailing on the short bus. |
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... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:00:57 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message news:EpSdnSdoleRXlW_UnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthlin k.com... Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-) I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing, but again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something. My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman. Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for. Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for reading labels anyway. Fortunately, my boat doesn't have a spaghetti wire of lines. I think it's helpful, at least initially, for students to not be confused. This is especially useful when I take charters with inexperienced but willing people. In any case, I'm looking for a solution if you know of one... Sorry, I am not that familiar with sailing on the short bus. Short bus? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:27:12 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:00:57 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message news:EpSdnSdoleRXlW_UnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthli nk.com... Capt. JG wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. Jonathan On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet! D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the 18 so she could quickly find the right line. While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the practice is more restrictive than helpful. I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-) I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing, but again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something. My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman. Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for. Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for reading labels anyway. Fortunately, my boat doesn't have a spaghetti wire of lines. I think it's helpful, at least initially, for students to not be confused. This is especially useful when I take charters with inexperienced but willing people. In any case, I'm looking for a solution if you know of one... Sorry, I am not that familiar with sailing on the short bus. Short bus? Is there an echo in here? |
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On Apr 24, 11:29*am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. As a current university faculty wich includes Employee Training & Develpment among others. Licensed state teacher K-8 (expired) Former Marine Education Specialist WOrking Able Seaman on a 1100 GRT vessel. One of the difintions of COmmunication includes the tem, uncertainty reduction. In someones words to meaning creation. Learning theory is a mature body of literature. SOme belive there are 7 learning styles. THat means teachers need to creat lessons that use each. Jean Piaget says humans have 4 stages of cognative develpmment that controll what can be learned at specific ages. So while one teaching stratigy is effective on some learners it will fail with others. SO to say what is the "best way" to teach is wrong on two levels. First, its not, how to teach rather how do others learn. For example some people are color blind so out goes your color code systm but thats an over simplified analogy. Second, im too tired to expain the other. NOw I know there are a bunch of "traininers" and instructors of "training the trainer" courses here who have memorized a few basich learning concepts who will spout some form of , see one, do one teach one or some other variation of telling and showing. TO anser your questoin.......................... collored lines and labled liines work wonderfully for some and fail for others. ONe thing Ive learned in the GOM. unllicensed deckhands and 100 ton operators have diffrent names for bits and tie-up lines from boat to boat. One midship line was called the "garbage can" bit/line cause that what was next to the bit. Was I surprised my first day when he told me to start with the garbage can line??? Communicatoin = reduction of uncertainty and meaning creation. IN conclussion, color code lines lable with names/placard draw a schematic sing about them watch a move about them rig a model boat touch each line there are a few others but i think you get the idea. Bob-Sensei, AB |
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:38:57 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: On Apr 24, 11:29*am, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. As a current university faculty wich includes Employee Training & Develpment among others. Licensed state teacher K-8 (expired) Former Marine Education Specialist WOrking Able Seaman on a 1100 GRT vessel. One of the difintions of COmmunication includes the tem, uncertainty reduction. In someones words to meaning creation. Learning theory is a mature body of literature. SOme belive there are 7 learning styles. THat means teachers need to creat lessons that use each. Jean Piaget says humans have 4 stages of cognative develpmment that controll what can be learned at specific ages. So while one teaching stratigy is effective on some learners it will fail with others. SO to say what is the "best way" to teach is wrong on two levels. First, its not, how to teach rather how do others learn. For example some people are color blind so out goes your color code systm but thats an over simplified analogy. Second, im too tired to expain the other. NOw I know there are a bunch of "traininers" and instructors of "training the trainer" courses here who have memorized a few basich learning concepts who will spout some form of , see one, do one teach one or some other variation of telling and showing. TO anser your questoin.......................... collored lines and labled liines work wonderfully for some and fail for others. ONe thing Ive learned in the GOM. unllicensed deckhands and 100 ton operators have diffrent names for bits and tie-up lines from boat to boat. One midship line was called the "garbage can" bit/line cause that what was next to the bit. Was I surprised my first day when he told me to start with the garbage can line??? Communicatoin = reduction of uncertainty and meaning creation. IN conclussion, color code lines lable with names/placard draw a schematic sing about them watch a move about them rig a model boat touch each line there are a few others but i think you get the idea. Bob-Sensei, AB One major problem, that you missed completely, Bob. If you teach someone the ropes using color codes or labels, you are only teaching them to sail THAT boat. They will be lost on any other boat, because the lines will be different colors, or therv will be no labels. They might even have labels, but with slightly ifferent names. Give a man a fish... You know the rest. Teach them based on the function of the line and it's route, and they will then REALLY know the ropes in a way they can use on other boats. It might also teach them a new way to learn things on their own by using observation and judgement to figure things out. |
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:01:31 -0400, jeff wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:38:57 -0700 (PDT), Bob wrote: On Apr 24, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. As a current university faculty wich includes Employee Training & Develpment among others. Licensed state teacher K-8 (expired) Former Marine Education Specialist WOrking Able Seaman on a 1100 GRT vessel. One of the difintions of COmmunication includes the tem, uncertainty reduction. In someones words to meaning creation. Learning theory is a mature body of literature. SOme belive there are 7 learning styles. THat means teachers need to creat lessons that use each. Jean Piaget says humans have 4 stages of cognative develpmment that controll what can be learned at specific ages. So while one teaching stratigy is effective on some learners it will fail with others. SO to say what is the "best way" to teach is wrong on two levels. First, its not, how to teach rather how do others learn. For example some people are color blind so out goes your color code systm but thats an over simplified analogy. Second, im too tired to expain the other. NOw I know there are a bunch of "traininers" and instructors of "training the trainer" courses here who have memorized a few basich learning concepts who will spout some form of , see one, do one teach one or some other variation of telling and showing. TO anser your questoin.......................... collored lines and labled liines work wonderfully for some and fail for others. ONe thing Ive learned in the GOM. unllicensed deckhands and 100 ton operators have diffrent names for bits and tie-up lines from boat to boat. One midship line was called the "garbage can" bit/line cause that what was next to the bit. Was I surprised my first day when he told me to start with the garbage can line??? Communicatoin = reduction of uncertainty and meaning creation. IN conclussion, color code lines lable with names/placard draw a schematic sing about them watch a move about them rig a model boat touch each line there are a few others but i think you get the idea. Bob-Sensei, AB One major problem, that you missed completely, Bob. If you teach someone the ropes using color codes or labels, you are only teaching them to sail THAT boat. They will be lost on any other boat, because the lines will be different colors, or therv will be no labels. They might even have labels, but with slightly ifferent names. Give a man a fish... You know the rest. Teach them based on the function of the line and it's route, and they will then REALLY know the ropes in a way they can use on other boats. It might also teach them a new way to learn things on their own by using observation and judgement to figure things out. Total nonsense. If you want to encourage someone to learn more about sailing, you should make it as easy as possible to use the lines. Or perhaps you think releasing the halyard when you intended to ease the Cunningham would be a useful learning experience. While its true that some people will want to learn the meaning of each line, the vast majority would think that unlabeled lines are too risky to event try to sort out. Of course, if your goal is to ensure only those who are "worthy" are allowed to sail, then we should require that they be able to name every line on a full rigged ship before coming on board. Navigating in the fog with only a lead line and chip log should be a prerequisite for owning a GPS. Total hyperbolic baloney, Jeff. You sound like a hysterical girl. Teach the lines a few at a time. Start with the most basic ones. Start with the main halyard, and main sheets. No one needs to know a barber haul from a foreguy from a Cunningham until later on. Much later on, for many people, who may never own a boat that includes them. Musical analogy: Learn to play a C major scale before you start to worry about flats and sharps, much less pentatonic, myxolydian and Phrygian scales. Teaching someone to read labels is not teaching them anything about sailing. Jon's students will realize that when they try to sail a boat that Jon hasn't "baby proofed". |
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