On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:51:20 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:38:39 +0000, Dennis Pogson wrote:

Different countries will have different laws relating to murder charges.
I would have thought the wife's evidence would be sufficient to justify
a charge of murder, but you never know.

Yeah, that's what I was curious about. I'm thinking a body dumped
overboard might not be found.


It may not be as if the body drifts out of the island group it would
be in open ocean.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:38:39 -0000, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have
been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been
charged with murder as the body has not been found.

Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder
charge?

Different countries will have different laws relating to murder charges. I
would have thought the wife's evidence would be sufficient to justify a
charge of murder, but you never know.

Dennis.

The news was quite specific in stating that the Burmese has confessed
and been charged with aggravated assault and illegal migrant status
and if the body is found then will be charged with murder.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:13:44 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have
been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been
charged with murder as the body has not been found.

Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder
charge?

Yes, or some proof of death. In a recent case a doctor dissected his
girlfriend and flushed her down the toilet. The police got enough
tissue from the drains that they could determine that it was human
remains and a DMA test showed that it was related to the girl's
parents. Apparently sufficient proof.

I gather that a confession is not sufficient as I'm sure from the news
reports that the Burmese have told the cops exactly what happened and
have been charged with a crime but the news specifically said, not
murder as the body had not yet been found.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:13:44 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have
been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been
charged with murder as the body has not been found.

Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder
charge?

Yes, or some proof of death. In a recent case a doctor dissected his
girlfriend and flushed her down the toilet. The police got enough
tissue from the drains that they could determine that it was human
remains and a DMA test showed that it was related to the girl's
parents. Apparently sufficient proof.

I gather that a confession is not sufficient as I'm sure from the news
reports that the Burmese have told the cops exactly what happened and
have been charged with a crime but the news specifically said, not
murder as the body had not yet been found.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

The sharks might make short work of the body in those latitudes, but surely
there should be enough DNA about the boat to justify a conviction?

Dennis

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:21:25 -0000, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote:


"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:13:44 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have
been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been
charged with murder as the body has not been found.

Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder
charge?

Yes, or some proof of death. In a recent case a doctor dissected his
girlfriend and flushed her down the toilet. The police got enough
tissue from the drains that they could determine that it was human
remains and a DMA test showed that it was related to the girl's
parents. Apparently sufficient proof.

I gather that a confession is not sufficient as I'm sure from the news
reports that the Burmese have told the cops exactly what happened and
have been charged with a crime but the news specifically said, not
murder as the body had not yet been found.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

The sharks might make short work of the body in those latitudes, but surely
there should be enough DNA about the boat to justify a conviction?

Dennis


I'm sure that there are sharks about but there was no mention of
sharks eating bodies after the tsunami. But perhaps once they start
they don't stop until they finish the meal. But they do frequently
recover bodies after a boat sinks so who knows.

The news photos showed some blood stains around the aft section and
there was mention about the wife "stepping in blood and realizing he
husband must be dead".

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

I've sailed in this area for ten years and my experiences with the
local fishermen and people living on the islands has been that they
are pretty nice people. The time I ran into a coral reef and went
aground the local fishermen came out and helped and when we finally
got off I offered to pay them and they refused to take anything. My
own feeling is that was an isolated incident.



Thank you. That's a thousand times more than I can find about it. Much
appreciated. The fishermen are blameless, except for the illegal
immigration. Half my neighborhood are illegal immigrants, now.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:18:27 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

I've sailed in this area for ten years and my experiences with the
local fishermen and people living on the islands has been that they
are pretty nice people. The time I ran into a coral reef and went
aground the local fishermen came out and helped and when we finally
got off I offered to pay them and they refused to take anything. My
own feeling is that was an isolated incident.



Thank you. That's a thousand times more than I can find about it. Much
appreciated. The fishermen are blameless, except for the illegal
immigration. Half my neighborhood are illegal immigrants, now.

There probably will be little else published about the murder if the
three Burmese have confessed as the police state. With the finding of
the body they will be charged with murder.

The Thai legal system is such that once charges have been lodged with
the court and the court has reviewed the evidence and agreed to hear
the case the defendants appear before the court and the charges are
read whereupon they have the right to plead innocent or guilty.

If they plead guilty they will likely be given an immediate life
sentence. If they plead not-guilty they will be tried but in the event
that they are found guilty, a likely scenario given their confession,
they will receive the death sentence.

It is true that the death sentence will probably not be carried out if
the criminals show any remorse over the affair but it could be. If
they are convicted and given a death sentence which is later commuted
it will be to life imprisonment.


The latest news:

Murdered yachtie's body found in sea
By: BangkokPost.com
Published: 27/03/2009 at 02:21 PM


Police on Friday found the body of a UK yachtsman who was murdered by
Burmese pirates three days ago near an island in the Andaman Sea.

The remains of Malcom Robertson, 64, whose throat was cut and his body
was thrown into the sea, were found near Koh Rawee, Pol Col Wirat
Saeng-orn, superintendent of the Yala provincial police said.

His wife Linda, who says she ''trussed up naked like a chilcken'' by
thekillers when her husband was killed, testified before the
provincial court on Friday because she has to leave Thailand.

Police earlier claimed that the three workers confessed they boarded
the yacht on Monday to steal an inflatable dinghy but were blocked by
the owner.

Police alleged the three slashed Robertson's throat and tossed his
body overboard. Mrs Robertsoln says they forced her to sail them to
the mainland. The yacht was spotted by officials from Koh Petra Marine
National Park, who detained them.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:59:44 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

It is true that the death sentence will probably not be carried out if
the criminals show any remorse over the affair but it could be. If
they are convicted and given a death sentence which is later commuted
it will be to life imprisonment.

The Swiss inadvertantly came up with the proper death penalty. They
busted some buy for a white collar crime. They put him in a cell in a
disused wing of the building. They then lost the paperwork, and forgot
him. When they found him months later he was long dead.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote in
:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:59:44 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

It is true that the death sentence will probably not be carried out if
the criminals show any remorse over the affair but it could be. If
they are convicted and given a death sentence which is later commuted
it will be to life imprisonment.

The Swiss inadvertantly came up with the proper death penalty. They
busted some buy for a white collar crime. They put him in a cell in a
disused wing of the building. They then lost the paperwork, and forgot
him. When they found him months later he was long dead.

Casady


Hmm....a fitting end for Wall Street's Madoff, too.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:50:32 +0000, Larry wrote:

Sky News (UK) is reporting a headline that a British yachtsman named
Malcolm Robinson by 3 local thugs. His throat was cut before being thrown
off his yacht off the coast of Thailand.

Bruce? What's the scoop? Please be careful....

More he

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bloodshed-on-mr-bean-lifetime-trip-turned-to-terror-20090325-99zh.html?page=-1