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Permit required to leave the US by boat
As a US owned and registered boat (state/fed doesn't matter) you are
always under the jurisdiction of the USCG as a minimum. The permit for leaving. Most of us call it a passport. Nothing new there. Yesterdays stuff. The people want to move on ..... (I remember that lastline from somewhere but where?) M. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I thought, but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came over for a look-see. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "FamilySailor" wrote in message ... In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3 miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that is........ not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border runs straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of Mexico. I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and Mexican gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that line staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could pay some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was and how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there. Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there are no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though. Sea Yawl, John |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
The Coast Guard unveiled new restrictions Thursday for U.S. recreational
vessels traveling to Cuba, changing its focus from preventing international incidents in Cuban waters to tightening the economic embargo against the island. The original restrictions were created by then-President Bill Clinton after two exile group planes were shot down over international waters in February 1996, hoping to avoid a similar situation. .....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard, but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments. It no longer matters whether boat operators intend to enter Cuban waters, Coast Guard Lt. Tony Russell said. Anyone who does so without a permit will be in violation of U.S. policy, he said. Coast Guard officials say boaters who violate the new rules could be fined up to $10,000 on the spot. Violators caught without a permit could later receive a civil penalty of up to $25,000 for each day they were in violation. They also could be jailed and have their vessels confiscated by the federal government. "If you choose to ignore these regulations, there's a good chance you'll be caught," Russell said. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
Land of the Free and home of the Brave, eh? Do you have a link for that
article? I'd like to know who to bombard with my next nastygram campaign. -- Karin Conover-Lewis Fair and Balanced since 1959 klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net "krj" wrote in message . .. The Coast Guard unveiled new restrictions Thursday for U.S. recreational vessels traveling to Cuba, changing its focus from preventing international incidents in Cuban waters to tightening the economic embargo against the island. The original restrictions were created by then-President Bill Clinton after two exile group planes were shot down over international waters in February 1996, hoping to avoid a similar situation. ....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard, but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments. It no longer matters whether boat operators intend to enter Cuban waters, Coast Guard Lt. Tony Russell said. Anyone who does so without a permit will be in violation of U.S. policy, he said. Coast Guard officials say boaters who violate the new rules could be fined up to $10,000 on the spot. Violators caught without a permit could later receive a civil penalty of up to $25,000 for each day they were in violation. They also could be jailed and have their vessels confiscated by the federal government. "If you choose to ignore these regulations, there's a good chance you'll be caught," Russell said. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
"krj" wrote in message . .. ....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard, but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments. Ahhh, err, what does "leaving the US" mean? Can I sail just outside the limit to dump tanks then return? Sail out far enough to catch the gulf stream going to Newport? Sounds like great material for a Rush Limbaugh type comedian. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
The link is:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...sfla-news-cuba krj Karin Conover-Lewis wrote: Land of the Free and home of the Brave, eh? Do you have a link for that article? I'd like to know who to bombard with my next nastygram campaign. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
The article was unclear as to what "leaving the US" meant. I don't think
my sailing from Miami to Ft. Lauderdale and going out 4 milew to catch the stream and dump the tanks are "leaving the US", but we are outside the 3 mile limit so technically I suppose we "left the US" if we were to be stopped by the coasties. krj Vito wrote: "krj" wrote in message . .. ....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard, but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments. Ahhh, err, what does "leaving the US" mean? Can I sail just outside the limit to dump tanks then return? Sail out far enough to catch the gulf stream going to Newport? Sounds like great material for a Rush Limbaugh type comedian. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
"krj" wrote in message . .. snip It no longer matters whether boat operators intend to enter Cuban waters, Coast Guard Lt. Tony Russell said. Anyone who does so without a permit will be in violation of U.S. policy, he said. Coast Guard officials say boaters who violate the new rules could be fined up to $10,000 on the spot. Violators caught without a permit could later receive a civil penalty of up to $25,000 for each day they were in violation. They also could be jailed and have their vessels confiscated by the federal government. "If you choose to ignore these regulations, there's a good chance you'll be caught," Russell said. I do think that the Lt.'s comments make it sound like it doesn't matter what your destination is. Very open-ended. Sounds a lot like the wording in the so-called "patriotic act". Anyone that supported that crap of legislation deserves to spend a lifetime in a Siberian camp. Sounds like "Papers, please." Who'da thought GW Bush would have pounded the final nail into the coffin of freedom? I guess it really didn't matter after all that Gore wasn't in office. Demonrats and Commie-Repubates, what has this country come to? |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
krj wrote: The Coast Guard unveiled new restrictions Thursday for U.S. recreational vessels traveling to Cuba, changing its focus from preventing international incidents in Cuban waters to tightening the economic embargo against the island. The original restrictions were created by then-President Bill Clinton after two exile group planes were shot down over international waters in February 1996, hoping to avoid a similar situation. ....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard, but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments. It no longer matters whether boat operators intend to enter Cuban waters, Coast Guard Lt. Tony Russell said. Anyone who does so without a permit will be in violation of U.S. policy, he said. Read that paragraph very carefully. What he is saying is that if you enter Cuban waters even thought it was not intended when the vessel departed US waters you are still subject to fines. NOT that you have to get a permit just to leave US waters. Basically it eliminates the special security zone around South Florida and expands it to all US waters. Up until last month when a cooperative enforcement agreement was made with the Bahamas it was not practical to enforce such a rule. The thing that hit me is that the regulation was issued without normally required public comment using the guise of urgency to protect US citizens from "excessive force, including deadly force" by the Cuban government. Coast Guard officials say boaters who violate the new rules could be fined up to $10,000 on the spot. Violators caught without a permit could later receive a civil penalty of up to $25,000 for each day they were in violation. They also could be jailed and have their vessels confiscated by the federal government. "If you choose to ignore these regulations, there's a good chance you'll be caught," Russell said. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:41:28 -0400, krj
wrote: ....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard, but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments. It no longer matters whether boat operators intend to enter Cuban waters, Coast Guard Lt. Tony Russell said. Anyone who does so without a permit will be in violation of U.S. policy, he said. Does this apply only to those who visit Cuba, or does it apply to any destination? There is a huge number of American boaters in the Gulf Islands and Inside Passage. Jack __________________________________________________ Jack Dale Swiftsure Sailing Academy Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor http://www.swiftsuresailing.com Phone: 1 (877) 470-SAIL (toll free) __________________________________________________ |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
Here is the Federal Register article. Not quite as bad as it sounded at
first but still underhanded the way it was done without public comment and no warning. Read the first paragraph under "Regulatory Information". http://frwebgate1.access.gpo.gov/cgi...i on=retrieve Karin Conover-Lewis wrote: Land of the Free and home of the Brave, eh? Do you have a link for that article? I'd like to know who to bombard with my next nastygram campaign. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
I'm not familiar with "recreational" boating requirements for sailing to
a "foreign" port, but any commercial operation is required to "clear foreign" with Customs/Immigration prior to departure, so I'm wondering what the difference is, here? otn |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
Reading the commentary to date suggests that one not actually leaving the US
(that is, intentionally departing to foreign shores) and not entering (intentionally or not) Cuban waters is exempt from this stuff? Conversely, anyone intentionally departing (such as for Mexico, Bahamas or Bermuda, common destinations from US ports, or, very commonly, USVI to BVI) has to declare such departure, somehow? Not of immediate interest, but certainly of proximate interest, as we'll have to leave FL once we splash, and we'll most likely go either to Mexico or Bahamas to be able to document such departure to the FL DOR within the 30 days allowed... L8R Skip and Lydia -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig http://tinyurl.com/384p2 "And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly appreciated by your friends." - James S. Pitkin "krj" wrote in message . .. The Coast Guard unveiled new restrictions Thursday for U.S. recreational vessels traveling to Cuba, changing its focus from preventing international incidents in Cuban waters to tightening the economic embargo against the island. The original restrictions were created by then-President Bill Clinton after two exile group planes were shot down over international waters in February 1996, hoping to avoid a similar situation. ....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard, but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments. It no longer matters whether boat operators intend to enter Cuban waters, Coast Guard Lt. Tony Russell said. Anyone who does so without a permit will be in violation of U.S. policy, he said. Coast Guard officials say boaters who violate the new rules could be fined up to $10,000 on the spot. Violators caught without a permit could later receive a civil penalty of up to $25,000 for each day they were in violation. They also could be jailed and have their vessels confiscated by the federal government. "If you choose to ignore these regulations, there's a good chance you'll be caught," Russell said. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3
miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that is........ not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border runs straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of Mexico. I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and Mexican gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that line staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could pay some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was and how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there. Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there are no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though. Sea Yawl, John |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
If there are any drilling rigs within a few hundred miles of the East or
West coast, my bet is they extended the US border to include it so it could be taxed! |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
Next time they fly over have your crew dress in Arab garb and wrap a towel
around their head and then you can talk and visit with the Coast Guard in person and give them a tour of your boat. You might even get a tow back. I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I thought, but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came over for a look-see. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were followed by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew my sailing abilities. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I thought,
but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came over for a look-see. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "FamilySailor" wrote in message ... In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3 miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that is........ not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border runs straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of Mexico. I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and Mexican gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that line staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could pay some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was and how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there. Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there are no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though. Sea Yawl, John |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
Thanks! The story doesn't provide a direct link to the directive in
question, though -- guess I'll have to hunt for it. -- Karin Conover-Lewis Fair and Balanced since 1959 klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net "krj" wrote in message .. . The link is: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...sfla-news-cuba krj |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
Thanks Glenn -- having trouble calling-up the article, but I'll keep trying.
-- Karin Conover-Lewis Fair and Balanced since 1959 klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:gfzHc.2146$ri.8@lakeread04... Here is the Federal Register article. Not quite as bad as it sounded at first but still underhanded the way it was done without public comment and no warning. Read the first paragraph under "Regulatory Information". http://frwebgate1.access.gpo.gov/cgi...i on=retrieve |
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In article , "Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote:
Thanks Glenn -- having trouble calling-up the article, but I'll keep trying. I can't view the page either. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
If true, it should be on the USCG site.
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:25:50 -0400, krj wrote: The link is: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...sfla-news-cuba krj Karin Conover-Lewis wrote: Land of the Free and home of the Brave, eh? Do you have a link for that article? I'd like to know who to bombard with my next nastygram campaign. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison |
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THis confuses economic or fishing zones with territorial waters, which
are 3 miles for US, although many countries claim 12. There is a similar line (Called "The Hague Line") between US and Canadian fishing waters south of the Bay of Fundy. Canadian CG sometimes arrests US fishboats that cross the line. On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:31:17 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote: In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3 miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that is........ not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border runs straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of Mexico. I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and Mexican gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that line staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could pay some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was and how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there. Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there are no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though. Sea Yawl, John Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison |
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Clearly, they were so impressed after they saw us sailing that
they discounted those reports. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were followed by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew my sailing abilities. |
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Perhaps not.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "FamilySailor" wrote in message ... Next time they fly over have your crew dress in Arab garb and wrap a towel around their head and then you can talk and visit with the Coast Guard in person and give them a tour of your boat. You might even get a tow back. I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I thought, but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came over for a look-see. |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
According to the USCG Website, permit is required only for vessels traveling
from US territorial waters to Cuban territorial water. Site (http://www.uscg.mil/USCG.shtm) says :"The Coast Guard has new restrictions for U.S. vessels and vessels without nationality less than 100 meters long traveling to Cuba. These vessels must have a Coast Guard-issued permit in order to travel from U.S. territorial waters to Cuban territorial waters. The regulation, published today, replaces a previous three-mile security zone around the Florida Peninsula." "Skip Gundlach" wrote: Reading the commentary to date suggests that one not actually leaving the US (that is, intentionally departing to foreign shores) and not entering (intentionally or not) Cuban waters is exempt from this stuff? Conversely, anyone intentionally departing (such as for Mexico, Bahamas or Bermuda, common destinations from US ports, or, very commonly, USVI to BVI) has to declare such departure, somehow? Not of immediate interest, but certainly of proximate interest, as we'll have to leave FL once we splash, and we'll most likely go either to Mexico or Bahamas to be able to document such departure to the FL DOR within the 30 days allowed... L8R Skip and Lydia |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
Evidently the Federal Register site won't save queries. Try
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.html and type in "page 41367" (include quote marks) and it will be titled "fr08jy04R Unauthorized Entry Into Cuban Territorial Waters" Karin Conover-Lewis wrote: Thanks Glenn -- having trouble calling-up the article, but I'll keep trying. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
What they are saying is that if you are a US owned vessel or a
non-flagged vessel and you depart from within 12 miles of the coast of the US you must receive written permission to enter Cuba BEFORE you leave. It does not matter how long the cruise last or what countries you visit before hand. If you enter Cuban waters, that is, within 12 miles of the Cuban coast line, at any time without that letter on the boat you are in violation. The immediate problem I see is that it effectively closes off the 10 mile wide Old Bahama Channel. For the last year the channel has gotten popular with delivery skippers bring boats up from the Caribbean and staying off the Bank to avoid paying the $300 Bahamas cruising fee. Skip Gundlach wrote: Reading the commentary to date suggests that one not actually leaving the US (that is, intentionally departing to foreign shores) and not entering (intentionally or not) Cuban waters is exempt from this stuff? Conversely, anyone intentionally departing (such as for Mexico, Bahamas or Bermuda, common destinations from US ports, or, very commonly, USVI to BVI) has to declare such departure, somehow? Not of immediate interest, but certainly of proximate interest, as we'll have to leave FL once we splash, and we'll most likely go either to Mexico or Bahamas to be able to document such departure to the FL DOR within the 30 days allowed... L8R Skip and Lydia -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Permit required to leave the US by boat
Thanks Glenn -- got it that time. Having just spent the last half hour
digesting it, I'm reminded of Mel Brooks": "It's good to be the King!" It's wonderfully convenient for the Shrub to be able to make declarations and not have to support them with any actual evidence, then use those same declarations as proof as to why the Liberty of US Citizens must be impinged upon, while at the same time declaring that no such impingement exists. Land of the Free and home of the Brave indeed. -- Karin Conover-Lewis Fair and Balanced since 1959 klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:FVDHc.3350$ri.1204@lakeread04... Evidently the Federal Register site won't save queries. Try http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.html and type in "page 41367" (include quote marks) and it will be titled "fr08jy04R Unauthorized Entry Into Cuban Territorial Waters" |
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The Shrub's policy making procedure is truly ridiculous. If they don't
like the facts they pressure everyone to come up with some they like or make them up themselves. Then they use use those "facts" to justify not letting anyone else have a say. The funniest part is, the main group they have POed are the Florida based Cuban radicals who are claiming it infringes on their right to make propaganda cruises to taunt Castro. The scary part is there are people out there sopping this c#*p up like it was the gospel truth. The worst part is that it makes me so irate I make political rants on non-political news groups. I'll shut up now. Karin Conover-Lewis wrote: Thanks Glenn -- got it that time. Having just spent the last half hour digesting it, I'm reminded of Mel Brooks": "It's good to be the King!" It's wonderfully convenient for the Shrub to be able to make declarations and not have to support them with any actual evidence, then use those same declarations as proof as to why the Liberty of US Citizens must be impinged upon, while at the same time declaring that no such impingement exists. Land of the Free and home of the Brave indeed. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
THis confuses economic or fishing zones with territorial waters, which are 3 miles for US, although many countries claim 12. Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the US territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December 1988.) |
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"andrew m. boardman" wrote in message | Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the US | territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December 1988.) Whoa Nellie..... Canada claims a 300 mile limit! I thought the USA did as well! CM |
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
"andrew m. boardman" wrote in message | Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the US | territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December 1988.) Whoa Nellie..... Canada claims a 300 mile limit! I thought the USA did as well! CM You Cankkoks can claim the whole ocean, The only thing that matters is can you enforce it. With the state of your Navy, I would fell free to run about your terrioritorial waters without risk of being bothered.....er, unless it's to rescue one of your downed helocopters. ;O) Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message | You Cankkoks can claim the whole ocean, The only thing that matters is | can you enforce it. With the state of your Navy, I would fell free to | run about your terrioritorial waters without risk of being | bothered.....er, unless it's to rescue one of your downed helocopters. | ;O) Thank Gawd for that... they don't bother us either... no jack-booted boarding's and Coast Guard patrols the fishing boats...... if I see a chopper I make certain to stay well out of it's drop zone... those things fall for no reason at all!! It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal! ;-) CM |
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Capt.,
Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as ours are either. Paul "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal! ;-) CM |
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Well not exactly 'legal'... but the courts refuse to prosecute because it's
an infringement on our Charter Of Rights. Courts refuse to prosecute and cops refuse to arrest. Full legalization is a year or 2 away.... but heck.... nobody is being arrested. We're facing all kinds of threats from the USA if we proceed because it would hold their "War on Drugs" to ridicule! Oh well... here's hoping they get over it! ;-) BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something??? CM "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... | Capt., | Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as | ours are either. | Paul | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal! | | ;-) | | CM | | | | |
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We already tried War on Canada. It didn't work out.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Well not exactly 'legal'... but the courts refuse to prosecute because it's an infringement on our Charter Of Rights. Courts refuse to prosecute and cops refuse to arrest. Full legalization is a year or 2 away.... but heck.... nobody is being arrested. We're facing all kinds of threats from the USA if we proceed because it would hold their "War on Drugs" to ridicule! Oh well... here's hoping they get over it! ;-) BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something??? CM "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... | Capt., | Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as | ours are either. | Paul | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal! | | ;-) | | CM | | | | |
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We probably didn't notice you guys "Invading"... since so many of you are
already here and like it better than your own country. Either that or the Metric System screwed you up again. ;-) CM "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... | We already tried War on Canada. It didn't work out. | | -- | "j" ganz @@ | www.sailnow.com | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | Well not exactly 'legal'... but the courts refuse to prosecute because | it's | an infringement on our Charter Of Rights. Courts refuse to prosecute and | cops refuse to arrest. Full legalization is a year or 2 away.... but | heck.... nobody is being arrested. | | We're facing all kinds of threats from the USA if we proceed because it | would hold their "War on Drugs" to ridicule! Oh well... here's hoping they | get over it! ;-) | | BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something??? | | CM | | | "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message | ... | | Capt., | | Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as | | ours are either. | | Paul | | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | | ... | | | | It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal! | | | | ;-) | | | | CM | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Just for the record, the 300 mile limit is a fishing management area, not to
be confused with the the typical 12 mile limit to international waters. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "andrew m. boardman" wrote in message | Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the US | territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December 1988.) Whoa Nellie..... Canada claims a 300 mile limit! I thought the USA did as well! CM |
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Look Dude... we're out there boarding vessels and towing them in if they
break the law really really really badly. CM "Norm Taylor" wrote in message ... | Just for the record, the 300 mile limit is a fishing management area, not to | be confused with the the typical 12 mile limit to international waters. | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | "andrew m. boardman" wrote in message | | | Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the | US | | territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December | 1988.) | | Whoa Nellie..... Canada claims a 300 mile limit! I thought the USA did as | well! | | CM | | | | |
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Well not exactly 'legal'... but the courts refuse to prosecute because it's an infringement on our Charter Of Rights. Courts refuse to prosecute and cops refuse to arrest. Full legalization is a year or 2 away.... but heck.... nobody is being arrested. We're facing all kinds of threats from the USA if we proceed because it would hold their "War on Drugs" to ridicule! Oh well... here's hoping they get over it! ;-) BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something??? CM "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... | Capt., | Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as | ours are either. | Paul | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal! | | ;-) | | CM | | | | |
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