If true, it should be on the USCG site.

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:25:50 -0400, krj
wrote:

The link is:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...sfla-news-cuba
krj

Karin Conover-Lewis wrote:

Land of the Free and home of the Brave, eh? Do you have a link for that
article? I'd like to know who to bombard with my next nastygram campaign.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison

THis confuses economic or fishing zones with territorial waters, which
are 3 miles for US, although many countries claim 12.

There is a similar line (Called "The Hague Line") between US and
Canadian fishing waters south of the Bay of Fundy. Canadian CG
sometimes arrests US fishboats that cross the line.

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:31:17 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote:

In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3
miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out
into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that is........
not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border runs
straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of Mexico.
I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and Mexican
gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that line
staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your
boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could pay
some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was and
how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there.

Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there are
no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though.

Sea Yawl,
John



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison

Clearly, they were so impressed after they saw us sailing that
they discounted those reports.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were followed
by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew my sailing abilities.

Perhaps not.

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"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
Next time they fly over have your crew dress in Arab garb and wrap a towel
around their head and then you can talk and visit with the Coast Guard in
person and give them a tour of your boat. You might even get a tow back.

I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I
thought,
but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown
by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came
over for a look-see.

According to the USCG Website, permit is required only for vessels traveling
from US territorial waters to Cuban territorial water. Site
(http://www.uscg.mil/USCG.shtm) says :"The Coast Guard has new restrictions for
U.S. vessels and vessels without nationality less than 100 meters long traveling
to Cuba. These vessels must have a Coast Guard-issued permit in order to travel
from U.S. territorial waters to Cuban territorial waters. The regulation,
published today, replaces a previous three-mile security zone around the Florida
Peninsula."
"Skip Gundlach" wrote:

Reading the commentary to date suggests that one not actually leaving the US
(that is, intentionally departing to foreign shores) and not entering
(intentionally or not) Cuban waters is exempt from this stuff?

Conversely, anyone intentionally departing (such as for Mexico, Bahamas or
Bermuda, common destinations from US ports, or, very commonly, USVI to BVI)
has to declare such departure, somehow?

Not of immediate interest, but certainly of proximate interest, as we'll
have to leave FL once we splash, and we'll most likely go either to Mexico
or Bahamas to be able to document such departure to the FL DOR within the 30
days allowed...

L8R

Skip and Lydia

Evidently the Federal Register site won't save queries. Try
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.html and type in "page 41367" (include
quote marks) and it will be titled "fr08jy04R Unauthorized Entry Into
Cuban Territorial Waters"

Karin Conover-Lewis wrote:
Thanks Glenn -- having trouble calling-up the article, but I'll keep trying.


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What they are saying is that if you are a US owned vessel or a
non-flagged vessel and you depart from within 12 miles of the coast of
the US you must receive written permission to enter Cuba BEFORE you
leave. It does not matter how long the cruise last or what countries
you visit before hand. If you enter Cuban waters, that is, within 12
miles of the Cuban coast line, at any time without that letter on the
boat you are in violation.

The immediate problem I see is that it effectively closes off the 10
mile wide Old Bahama Channel. For the last year the channel has gotten
popular with delivery skippers bring boats up from the Caribbean and
staying off the Bank to avoid paying the $300 Bahamas cruising fee.

Skip Gundlach wrote:

Reading the commentary to date suggests that one not actually leaving the US
(that is, intentionally departing to foreign shores) and not entering
(intentionally or not) Cuban waters is exempt from this stuff?

Conversely, anyone intentionally departing (such as for Mexico, Bahamas or
Bermuda, common destinations from US ports, or, very commonly, USVI to BVI)
has to declare such departure, somehow?

Not of immediate interest, but certainly of proximate interest, as we'll
have to leave FL once we splash, and we'll most likely go either to Mexico
or Bahamas to be able to document such departure to the FL DOR within the 30
days allowed...

L8R

Skip and Lydia



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I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Thanks Glenn -- got it that time. Having just spent the last half hour
digesting it, I'm reminded of Mel Brooks": "It's good to be the King!"

It's wonderfully convenient for the Shrub to be able to make declarations
and not have to support them with any actual evidence, then use those same
declarations as proof as to why the Liberty of US Citizens must be impinged
upon, while at the same time declaring that no such impingement exists. Land
of the Free and home of the Brave indeed.

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Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:FVDHc.3350$ri.1204@lakeread04...
Evidently the Federal Register site won't save queries. Try
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.html and type in "page 41367" (include
quote marks) and it will be titled "fr08jy04R Unauthorized Entry Into
Cuban Territorial Waters"

The Shrub's policy making procedure is truly ridiculous. If they don't
like the facts they pressure everyone to come up with some they like or
make them up themselves. Then they use use those "facts" to justify not
letting anyone else have a say.

The funniest part is, the main group they have POed are the Florida
based Cuban radicals who are claiming it infringes on their right to
make propaganda cruises to taunt Castro.

The scary part is there are people out there sopping this c#*p up like
it was the gospel truth.

The worst part is that it makes me so irate I make political rants on
non-political news groups.

I'll shut up now.

Karin Conover-Lewis wrote:
Thanks Glenn -- got it that time. Having just spent the last half hour
digesting it, I'm reminded of Mel Brooks": "It's good to be the King!"

It's wonderfully convenient for the Shrub to be able to make declarations
and not have to support them with any actual evidence, then use those same
declarations as proof as to why the Liberty of US Citizens must be impinged
upon, while at the same time declaring that no such impingement exists. Land
of the Free and home of the Brave indeed.


--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
THis confuses economic or fishing zones with territorial waters, which
are 3 miles for US, although many countries claim 12.

Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the US
territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December 1988.)