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Yeah, I know "plonk"
"Marty" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:56:52 -0700 (PDT), said: OK, solet me make sure I've got your point straight... Forcefully holding a person's head under water until they believe they are going to die... and in some cases, actually die... does not fall within the definition of "torture." Is that it? Sigh...you still don't get it. I'm not saying it is or is not properly labeled "torture." I'm saying the label you stick on it is no more than an expression of your conclusion that it's a "bad thing." Expressing that conclusion isn't going to persuade any rational person that your conclusion is correct. Only that you believe it. Ok, since you insist on this exercise in sophistry, let's return to first principles and move to a more Socratic level. Please define what the term "torture" means. I will keep this to one question at a time to avoid confusing anyone. Cheers Martin It means whatever we want it to, silly. If we want it to mean birthday cake and puppies and merry-go-rounds, it doesn't have to mean just "bad things" after all. It's just a word, after all. I think Dave needs to brush-up on his S.I. Hayakawa. |
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