KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Well, of course those bombs are better at avoiding innocent civilians than
any weapon previously used by mankind.

Really? They have installed "Innocent Civilian Detectors"? I wasn't aware of
that. Sorry.

Get educated. Of course they have enemy detectors (advance scouts who
call in coordinates) and bombs that are so accurate that less innocent
civilians are harmed than any previous bombs in history.

Your desire for self loathing is blinding you to reality. You seriously
can't see the difference between smart bombs targeted directly at bad
guys, and suicide bombers who are trying to kill as many innocents as
possible.

Stephen

It is not myself that I loathe, but the warmongers.

Only of your own country. Like I said, it's a psychology of self
loathing. People can't stand to face their own inadequacies so they take
aim at the next nearest targets, in representation of themselves.

As for the smart bombs
being targeted "directly at bad guys," we're back to the mythical "Innocent
Civilian Detector." Get back to me when you've invented it.

Google should help you there.

Stephen

yes the "smart bombs" do less damage to the surroundings than the old
carpet bombing. a bomb is a bomb it has a blast radius smart bomb just
means it "hits" what it was dropped to hit sometimes. and laser guided
just means it homes in on a target that is "painted" by an observer
this can be on the ground or from the air. some bombs are set up to
penetrate a hardened target. all of them have a blast radius of
several yards to several hundred feet depending on payload and
fragmentation characteristics. most of what the us drops are 500lb
bombs and they have a nice big blast radius. in a small village this
means that you get to hit almost all the huts. so if you hit your
target the folks next door get to die as the plaster, glass, jars,
stone work and crockery turns into shrapnel. air to ground missiles
are a bit better but only on surgical strikes cause they cost alot. we
call the civilian casualties collateral damage and this "war" has had
more than its share of that. oh sorry but thats not on the news cause
our govment has blocked any but the embedded reporters and wont let
folk release the civilian casualty numbers and show the real
destruction.

you cant make war on a feeling and this is exactly what terror is.
the organization of al kiada has weathered this storm and grows
stronger because of it. we are feeding the enemy and we are the ones
who planted the seed.
folks who think like you write made todays reality. they do it behind
closed doors and cloak it so the public wont see and they depend on
peoples patriotic fervor to forgive them.
they are cowards that fester in the dark, parsitizing the people of
the US with propaganda and justifications. those solders on the field,
even the most craven of them; are better than the cowards playing
cloak and dagger.

the ends do not justify the means.

Two meter troll wrote:
yes the "smart bombs" do less damage to the surroundings than the old
carpet bombing. a bomb is a bomb it has a blast radius smart bomb just
means it "hits" what it was dropped to hit sometimes. and laser guided
just means it homes in on a target that is "painted" by an observer
this can be on the ground or from the air. some bombs are set up to
penetrate a hardened target. all of them have a blast radius of
several yards to several hundred feet depending on payload and
fragmentation characteristics. most of what the us drops are 500lb
bombs and they have a nice big blast radius.

There were quite a few 5000 pounders dropped, takes out most of a city
block,,, but damned accurately....

Cheers
Martin

On Mar 7, 3:13 pm, Marty wrote:
Two meter troll wrote:
yes the "smart bombs" do less damage to the surroundings than the old
carpet bombing. a bomb is a bomb it has a blast radius smart bomb just
means it "hits" what it was dropped to hit sometimes. and laser guided
just means it homes in on a target that is "painted" by an observer
this can be on the ground or from the air. some bombs are set up to
penetrate a hardened target. all of them have a blast radius of
several yards to several hundred feet depending on payload and
fragmentation characteristics. most of what the us drops are 500lb
bombs and they have a nice big blast radius.

There were quite a few 5000 pounders dropped, takes out most of a city
block,,, but damned accurately....

Cheers
Martin

LOL ayep accurate all right.

thanks Martin

On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:13:48 -0500, Marty wrote:

There were quite a few 5000 pounders dropped, takes out most of a city
block,,, but damned accurately....

What 5000 pounders? Nobody ever built that particular size.

Casady

On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:18:29 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:13:48 -0500, Marty wrote:

There were quite a few 5000 pounders dropped, takes out most of a city
block,,, but damned accurately....

What 5000 pounders? Nobody ever built that particular size.

Casady

Guided Bomb Unit-28 (GBU-28)

A pair of chartered Airbus A310 transport aircraft carrying 5,000-lb
GBU-28 bunker buster bombs staged through Scotland's Prestwick
International Airport outside Glasgow on 22 July 2006 to refuel and
give the crew a rest before continuing to deliver the bombs to Israel.
At least two more flights were anticipated before mid-August.

The GBU-28 laser guided bomb was developed, built, tested, and used in
combat in a 17 day period. The deepest Iraqi bunkers were secure from
the best penetrating bomb, the GBU-24A/B, with the I-2000 warhead.
Coalition leaders required the capability to destroy these vital
command and control facilities. Texas Instruments and Lockheed
combined their efforts to build the 18 ft long bomb. TI adapted the
seeker from the GBU-24 and Lockheed built the bomb body from discarded
eight inch howitzer barrels. The Air Force initially contracted for 30
bombs but the cease fire started after only two were employed. Two
more of the bombs were used in testing before the bombs were dropped
in combat and the Air Force expended two or three more in additional
tests after the war. The Air Force ordered an additional 100 GBU-28s
with the BLU-113 (8 inch gun barrel) bomb body and stocks remained low
due to the limited number of targets and the only fighter capable of
employing it initially was the F-111F.

The Guided Bomb Unit-28 (GBU-28) bomb is designed to penetrate
hardened targets before exploding, capable of penetrating 100 feet of
earth or 20 feet of concrete. The GBU-28 was initially developed in
1991 for penetrating hardened Iraqi command centers located deep
underground. This "bunker buster" was required for special targets
during the Desert Storm conflict and was designed, fabricated and
loaded in record time. The GBU-28 is a laser-guided conventional
munition that uses a modified Army artillery tube as the bomb body.
They are fitted with GBU-27 LGB kits, 14.5 inches in diameter and
almost 19 feet long. The operator illuminates a target with a laser
designator and then the munition guides to a spot of laser energy
reflected from the target.

Some considerable confusion exists in the literature concerning the
weight of this bomb. Although nominally a 5,000 pound bomb, it appears
that the actual weight is somewhat less than this, and that the 5,000
figure is arrived at by rounding up [the 250, 500, 1000 and 2000 pound
figures for the Mk80 family are also such approximations. Statements
that it is a 4,000 pound bomb reflect a similar rounding, but rounding
down and rounding rather further from the exact number. Reports that
the bombs weigh 4,637 pounds, and contain 630 pounds of high
explosives, are too precise to be in error. Reports that the bomb
weighs 4,700 pounds are in close agreement with this more precise
number. A report that the bomb incorporates a 4,400-pound penetrating
warhead may reflect the weight of the filled bomb body, minus guidance
head and tail kit.


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)