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Two meter troll wrote:
yes the "smart bombs" do less damage to the surroundings than the old carpet bombing. a bomb is a bomb it has a blast radius smart bomb just means it "hits" what it was dropped to hit sometimes. and laser guided just means it homes in on a target that is "painted" by an observer this can be on the ground or from the air. some bombs are set up to penetrate a hardened target. all of them have a blast radius of several yards to several hundred feet depending on payload and fragmentation characteristics. most of what the us drops are 500lb bombs and they have a nice big blast radius. There were quite a few 5000 pounders dropped, takes out most of a city block,,, but damned accurately.... Cheers Martin |
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Stephen Trapani wrote:
I'm sure you would agree that *if* you obtain information that prevents slaughter of innocents by dunking someone in water a few times, you have not done something wrong, you have done something good. No, actually I woould not agree that torture is "good" under any realistic circumstances. You can construct all sorts of theoretical justifications; but the facts are pretty clear... torture does not yield useful or reliable intel. OTOH it's great if you want to convert a few heretics before you burn them; but fortunately most of the civilizedworld has out grown that. .... I am not arguing that all torture is okay, I'm arguing that there is such a thing as torture that is okay. And that's what makes you sick in the head.... or at least not civilized enough to be making serious decisions that affect the rest of our society. On the contrary, I'm arguing points that all reasonable humans should agree on. Yep... check the definition of neurotic vs psychotic. True whackoes always think they're "reasonable." Tell you what, how about sticking to posting about boats & sailing. DSK |
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On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:29:08 -0800 (PST), wrote:
how about sticking to posting about boats & sailing. Excellent advice - for everyone, and don't cross post. |
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On Mar 7, 3:13 pm, Marty wrote:
Two meter troll wrote: yes the "smart bombs" do less damage to the surroundings than the old carpet bombing. a bomb is a bomb it has a blast radius smart bomb just means it "hits" what it was dropped to hit sometimes. and laser guided just means it homes in on a target that is "painted" by an observer this can be on the ground or from the air. some bombs are set up to penetrate a hardened target. all of them have a blast radius of several yards to several hundred feet depending on payload and fragmentation characteristics. most of what the us drops are 500lb bombs and they have a nice big blast radius. There were quite a few 5000 pounders dropped, takes out most of a city block,,, but damned accurately.... Cheers Martin LOL ayep accurate all right. thanks Martin |
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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:13:48 -0500, Marty wrote:
There were quite a few 5000 pounders dropped, takes out most of a city block,,, but damned accurately.... What 5000 pounders? Nobody ever built that particular size. Casady |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... I'm so glad Obama and the congress won. In fact, I voted for Obama. I wanted all the kook lefties to see all the mistakes Obama was going to make and all the "corruption" that would still exist. This stuff is inherent in the system and had little to do with Bush. Did you see yesterday where the Obama administration reached a deal with the Justice department so the Bush AG firing scandal didn't go to trial? They didn't want to take the chance that the executive branch would lose any power that the Bush admin. had gained. The kooky left has been jumping on Bush for stuff that has been going on for 200 years. Now the chickens will come home to roost. Stephen Boy are you going to have egg on your face if he turns out to be a good President. What'cha gonna do then? Vote for the Crushed Lintball? |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:07:06 -0700, Stephen Trapani said: wrote: Stephen Trapani wrote: I'm sure you would agree that *if* you obtain information that prevents slaughter of innocents by dunking someone in water a few times, you have not done something wrong, you have done something good. No, actually I woould not agree that torture is "good" under any realistic circumstances. You can construct all sorts of theoretical justifications; but the facts are pretty clear... torture does not yield useful or reliable intel. OTOH it's great if you want to convert a few heretics before you burn them; but fortunately most of the civilizedworld has out grown that. .... I am not arguing that all torture is okay, I'm arguing that there is such a thing as torture that is okay. And that's what makes you sick in the head.... or at least not civilized enough to be making serious decisions that affect the rest of our society. Well, by all civilized standards, allowing the slaughter of innocents to protect the rights of a killer is sick in the head, isn't it? Clearly you have taken your rationalizing on the issue so far that it makes no sense anymore. Common with herd mentality issues like this. The problem with Doug's argument is that it relies upon labeling as a substitute for thought. Rather than dealing with the specific question you pose, he labels your proposal "torture," and deems that sufficient to foreclose further discussion of the policy question. The technique is very much of a piece with Neal's game of labeling specific actions "socialism" or "fascism," deeming the label an adequate substitute for consideration of pluses and minuses of particular actions. I will credit Doug with possibly adding a substantive claim that waterboarding doesn't work. I say "possibly" because again rather than making that specific claim he invokes the T word to claim that "torture" doesn't work, attempting to sweep the specific action into a much wider net full of red herrings. Torture doesn't work. It's a fact. Unless you watch 24. Then it works. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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