On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a number of docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within 30 days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not the law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you want me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal, (and well
within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back. ask your
wife to explain it to you.

In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical jaxie - make up
nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
US Federal law.

Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in an
Amazon
order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but the
charges
have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor the
practice
of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order, otherwise the
law
is
clear.

dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card before
services are
rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal. The
moment
someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her
creditcard
and
an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I could
ship
the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the entire
Paypal
system would be against federal law.

Meindert

jeffies, you screwed up *again*. what you quoted is the FTC regulation
regarding ship after order date for mail orders. It is a $10,000 fine to ship
*after* 30 days *after* an order.

The charging only after shipment or customer authorization to charge earlier is
in no way related to the FTC 30-Day Mail Order rule.

It is against the law to charge a credit card before shipment unless specificly
authorized by the credit card user.

On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a number of
docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within 30
days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not the
law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you want
me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal, (and well
within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back. ask
your
wife to explain it to you.

In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical jaxie - make
up
nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
US Federal law.

Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in an
Amazon
order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but the
charges
have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor the
practice
of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order, otherwise the
law
is
clear.

dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card before
services are
rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal. The
moment
someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her
creditcard
and
an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I could
ship
the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the entire
Paypal
system would be against federal law.

Meindert

Sorry jaxie, you're still making up BS. Here's another FTC link, which is
pretty explicit that goods must be shipped within 30 days of payment. However,
there is no "$10,000" penalty, there are guidelines for how to offer to return
the money.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../mailorder.htm

"When you offer to sell merchandise, you must have a "reasonable basis" for:
any express or implied shipment representation, or
believing you can ship within 30 days of receipt of an order -- if you
make no shipment representation or if the shipment representation is not clear
and conspicuous.
....
The "clock" on your obligation to ship or take other action under the Rule
begins as soon as you receive a "properly completed" order. An order is properly
completed when you receive the correct full or partial (in whatever form you
accept) payment, accompanied by all the information you need to fill the order.
Payment may be by cash, check, money order, the customer’s authorization to
charge an existing account (including one you have created for the customer),
the customer’s application to you for credit to pay for the order, or any
substitute for these transactions that you accept.
It is irrelevant when you post or deposit payment, when checks clear, or when
your bank credits your account. The clock begins to run when you receive a
properly completed order."


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you screwed up *again*. what you quoted is the FTC regulation
regarding ship after order date for mail orders. It is a $10,000 fine to
ship
*after* 30 days *after* an order.

The charging only after shipment or customer authorization to charge earlier
is
in no way related to the FTC 30-Day Mail Order rule.

It is against the law to charge a credit card before shipment unless
specificly
authorized by the credit card user.

On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a number of
docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within 30
days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not the
law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you want
me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal, (and well
within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back. ask
your
wife to explain it to you.

In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical jaxie - make
up
nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
US Federal law.

Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in an
Amazon
order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but the
charges
have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor the
practice
of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order, otherwise the
law
is
clear.

dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card before
services are
rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal. The
moment
someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her
creditcard
and
an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I could
ship
the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the entire
Paypal
system would be against federal law.

Meindert

I just blocked JAX completely a long time ago. I wouldn't even know he was
here if folks didn't reply to him. Just a troll. "Message, block sender"
Works like a charm.

--


Keith
__
"I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a
radio." - Rodney Dangerfield
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Sorry jaxie, you're still making up BS. Here's another FTC link, which is
pretty explicit that goods must be shipped within 30 days of payment.
However,
there is no "$10,000" penalty, there are guidelines for how to offer to
return
the money.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../mailorder.htm

"When you offer to sell merchandise, you must have a "reasonable basis"
for:
any express or implied shipment representation, or
believing you can ship within 30 days of receipt of an order -- if
you
make no shipment representation or if the shipment representation is not
clear
and conspicuous.
...
The "clock" on your obligation to ship or take other action under the Rule
begins as soon as you receive a "properly completed" order. An order is
properly
completed when you receive the correct full or partial (in whatever form
you
accept) payment, accompanied by all the information you need to fill the
order.
Payment may be by cash, check, money order, the customer's authorization
to
charge an existing account (including one you have created for the
customer),
the customer's application to you for credit to pay for the order, or any
substitute for these transactions that you accept.
It is irrelevant when you post or deposit payment, when checks clear, or
when
your bank credits your account. The clock begins to run when you receive a
properly completed order."


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you screwed up *again*. what you quoted is the FTC regulation
regarding ship after order date for mail orders. It is a $10,000 fine
to
ship
*after* 30 days *after* an order.

The charging only after shipment or customer authorization to charge
earlier
is
in no way related to the FTC 30-Day Mail Order rule.

It is against the law to charge a credit card before shipment unless
specificly
authorized by the credit card user.

On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a
number of
docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within
30
days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not
the
law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you
want
me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal,
(and well
within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back.
ask
your
wife to explain it to you.

In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical
jaxie - make
up
nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
US Federal law.

Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in
an
Amazon
order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but
the
charges
have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor
the
practice
of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order,
otherwise the
law
is
clear.

dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card
before
services are
rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you
understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal.
The
moment
someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her
creditcard
and
an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I
could
ship
the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the
entire
Paypal
system would be against federal law.

Meindert

"keith" tells one and all that he is the village idiot who feels he learned
everything there is to know in the entire universe long before he enter junior
high school for the third time. That wouldn't be so pathetic except that
"keith" probably believes he has a right to breed more village idiots.

see "keith's" response below and shake your heads in disgust.

From: "Keith"
Date: 6/15/2004 7:10 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I just blocked JAX completely a long time ago. I wouldn't even know he was
here if folks didn't reply to him. Just a troll. "Message, block sender"
Works like a charm.

--


Keith
__
"I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a
radio." - Rodney Dangerfield
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Sorry jaxie, you're still making up BS. Here's another FTC link, which is
pretty explicit that goods must be shipped within 30 days of payment.
However,
there is no "$10,000" penalty, there are guidelines for how to offer to
return
the money.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../mailorder.htm

"When you offer to sell merchandise, you must have a "reasonable basis"
for:
any express or implied shipment representation, or
believing you can ship within 30 days of receipt of an order -- if
you
make no shipment representation or if the shipment representation is not
clear
and conspicuous.
...
The "clock" on your obligation to ship or take other action under the Rule
begins as soon as you receive a "properly completed" order. An order is
properly
completed when you receive the correct full or partial (in whatever form
you
accept) payment, accompanied by all the information you need to fill the
order.
Payment may be by cash, check, money order, the customer's authorization
to
charge an existing account (including one you have created for the
customer),
the customer's application to you for credit to pay for the order, or any
substitute for these transactions that you accept.
It is irrelevant when you post or deposit payment, when checks clear, or
when
your bank credits your account. The clock begins to run when you receive a
properly completed order."


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you screwed up *again*. what you quoted is the FTC regulation
regarding ship after order date for mail orders. It is a $10,000 fine
to
ship
*after* 30 days *after* an order.

The charging only after shipment or customer authorization to charge
earlier
is
in no way related to the FTC 30-Day Mail Order rule.

It is against the law to charge a credit card before shipment unless
specificly
authorized by the credit card user.

On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a
number of
docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within
30
days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not
the
law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you
want
me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal,
(and well
within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back.
ask
your
wife to explain it to you.

In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical
jaxie - make
up
nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
US Federal law.

Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in
an
Amazon
order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but
the
charges
have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor
the
practice
of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order,
otherwise the
law
is
clear.

dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card
before
services are
rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you
understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal.
The
moment
someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her
creditcard
and
an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I
could
ship
the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the
entire
Paypal
system would be against federal law.

Meindert

jeffies, you are confusing writing a check with in regard to the FTC 3-Day Mail
Order Rule and charging a credit card.

but you are easily confused, jeffies, on a whole bunch of things.

Sorry jaxie, you're still making up BS. Here's another FTC link, which is
pretty explicit that goods must be shipped within 30 days of payment.
However,
there is no "$10,000" penalty, there are guidelines for how to offer to
return
the money.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../mailorder.htm

"When you offer to sell merchandise, you must have a "reasonable basis" for:
any express or implied shipment representation, or
believing you can ship within 30 days of receipt of an order -- if you
make no shipment representation or if the shipment representation is not
clear
and conspicuous.
...
The "clock" on your obligation to ship or take other action under the Rule
begins as soon as you receive a "properly completed" order. An order is
properly
completed when you receive the correct full or partial (in whatever form you
accept) payment, accompanied by all the information you need to fill the
order.
Payment may be by cash, check, money order, the customer’s authorization to
charge an existing account (including one you have created for the customer),
the customer’s application to you for credit to pay for the order, or any
substitute for these transactions that you accept.
It is irrelevant when you post or deposit payment, when checks clear, or when
your bank credits your account. The clock begins to run when you receive a
properly completed order."


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you screwed up *again*. what you quoted is the FTC regulation
regarding ship after order date for mail orders. It is a $10,000 fine to
ship
*after* 30 days *after* an order.

The charging only after shipment or customer authorization to charge
earlier
is
in no way related to the FTC 30-Day Mail Order rule.

It is against the law to charge a credit card before shipment unless
specificly
authorized by the credit card user.

On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a number
of
docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within 30
days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not
the
law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you
want
me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal, (and
well
within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back.
ask
your
wife to explain it to you.

In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical jaxie -
make
up
nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
US Federal law.

Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in an
Amazon
order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but the
charges
have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor the
practice
of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order, otherwise
the
law
is
clear.

dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card
before
services are
rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal. The
moment
someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her
creditcard
and
an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I
could
ship
the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the
entire
Paypal
system would be against federal law.

Meindert

I pop by here now and then for information. I have been cruising for
many years and pop in when in port.

It continually amazes me to see people responding to know it all know
NOTHING JaxAshby.

Surely it's OBVIOUS that he is an anal orifice who hasn't really left
his arm chair in years.

Why in god's name do you people respond to his purile infantile rants?

I skip each and every one of his posts, as I KNOW from past exposure
that he is ALWAYS full of crap and THRILLED to demonstrate that fact by
arguing non-sense.

Goober is as goober does. JaxAshbury is a waste of bandwidth. Ignore
him. Maybe he'll go away (but I doubt it).

Feel free to lay out your usual line of totall crap Jax. I won't see it.
I ignore you like everyone else should.

JAXAshby wrote:
jeffies, you are confusing writing a check with in regard to the FTC 3-Day Mail
Order Rule and charging a credit card.

but you are easily confused, jeffies, on a whole bunch of things.

Sorry jaxie, you're still making up BS. Here's another FTC link, which is

pretty explicit that goods must be shipped within 30 days of payment.
However,
there is no "$10,000" penalty, there are guidelines for how to offer to
return
the money.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../mailorder.htm

"When you offer to sell merchandise, you must have a "reasonable basis" for:
any express or implied shipment representation, or
believing you can ship within 30 days of receipt of an order -- if you
make no shipment representation or if the shipment representation is not
clear
and conspicuous.
...
The "clock" on your obligation to ship or take other action under the Rule
begins as soon as you receive a "properly completed" order. An order is
properly
completed when you receive the correct full or partial (in whatever form you
accept) payment, accompanied by all the information you need to fill the
order.
Payment may be by cash, check, money order, the customer’s authorization to
charge an existing account (including one you have created for the customer),
the customer’s application to you for credit to pay for the order, or any
substitute for these transactions that you accept.
It is irrelevant when you post or deposit payment, when checks clear, or when
your bank credits your account. The clock begins to run when you receive a
properly completed order."


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

jeffies, you screwed up *again*. what you quoted is the FTC regulation
regarding ship after order date for mail orders. It is a $10,000 fine to

ship

*after* 30 days *after* an order.

The charging only after shipment or customer authorization to charge

earlier
is

in no way related to the FTC 30-Day Mail Order rule.

It is against the law to charge a credit card before shipment unless

specificly

authorized by the credit card user.

On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a number

of

docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within 30
days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not

the

law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you

want

me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal, (and

well

within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back.

ask

your

wife to explain it to you.


In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical jaxie -

make

up

nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

US Federal law.


Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in an

Amazon

order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but the

charges

have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor the

practice

of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order, otherwise

the

law

is

clear.


dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card

before

services are

rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal. The

moment

someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her

creditcard

and

an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I

could

ship

the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the

entire

Paypal

system would be against federal law.

Meindert

Ralph -- who know one has ever heard of before -- writes to tell us that he
doesn't read and that if he did read he would be glad for marina's gouging
customers with illegal business practises.

ain't that nice.

I pop by here now and then for information. I have been cruising for
many years and pop in when in port.

It continually amazes me to see people responding to know it all know
NOTHING JaxAshby.

Surely it's OBVIOUS that he is an anal orifice who hasn't really left
his arm chair in years.

Why in god's name do you people respond to his purile infantile rants?

I skip each and every one of his posts, as I KNOW from past exposure
that he is ALWAYS full of crap and THRILLED to demonstrate that fact by
arguing non-sense.

Goober is as goober does. JaxAshbury is a waste of bandwidth. Ignore
him. Maybe he'll go away (but I doubt it).

Feel free to lay out your usual line of totall crap Jax. I won't see it.
I ignore you like everyone else should.

JAXAshby wrote:
jeffies, you are confusing writing a check with in regard to the FTC 3-Day
Mail
Order Rule and charging a credit card.

but you are easily confused, jeffies, on a whole bunch of things.

Sorry jaxie, you're still making up BS. Here's another FTC link, which
is

pretty explicit that goods must be shipped within 30 days of payment.
However,
there is no "$10,000" penalty, there are guidelines for how to offer to
return
the money.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../mailorder.htm

"When you offer to sell merchandise, you must have a "reasonable basis"
for:
any express or implied shipment representation, or
believing you can ship within 30 days of receipt of an order -- if you
make no shipment representation or if the shipment representation is not
clear
and conspicuous.
...
The "clock" on your obligation to ship or take other action under the Rule
begins as soon as you receive a "properly completed" order. An order is
properly
completed when you receive the correct full or partial (in whatever form
you
accept) payment, accompanied by all the information you need to fill the
order.
Payment may be by cash, check, money order, the customer’s authorization
to
charge an existing account (including one you have created for the
customer),
the customer’s application to you for credit to pay for the order, or any
substitute for these transactions that you accept.
It is irrelevant when you post or deposit payment, when checks clear, or
when
your bank credits your account. The clock begins to run when you receive a
properly completed order."


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

jeffies, you screwed up *again*. what you quoted is the FTC regulation
regarding ship after order date for mail orders. It is a $10,000 fine to

ship

*after* 30 days *after* an order.

The charging only after shipment or customer authorization to charge

earlier
is

in no way related to the FTC 30-Day Mail Order rule.

It is against the law to charge a credit card before shipment unless

specificly

authorized by the credit card user.

On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a number

of

docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within 30
days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not

the

law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you

want

me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal, (and

well

within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back.

ask

your

wife to explain it to you.


In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical jaxie -

make

up

nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

US Federal law.


Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in an

Amazon

order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but the

charges

have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor the

practice

of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order, otherwise

the

law

is

clear.


dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card

before

services are

rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal. The

moment

someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her

creditcard

and

an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I

could

ship

the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the

entire

Paypal

system would be against federal law.

Meindert