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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is supposed
to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other, about
jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians would
think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving wife
and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd years who
don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel pretty
successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his mind
and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you, don't read
it.

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!


Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.
Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is supposed
to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.

Sure you should. But there is a point of being morally wrong enough and
rooting for bad and evil to win against good and innocents, and of
trying to convince others to do so, when one should be considered a
failure. And the sort of vile racism where one wishes the Naziis would
have wiped out an entire race, and rooting for someone else to do so
surely crosses that line, doesn't it?

I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other, about
jews, so does that make me a failure too?

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?

Stephen

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is supposed
to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other, about
jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians would
think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving wife
and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd years who
don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel pretty
successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his mind
and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you, don't read
it.


I didn't say anything about how much money Larry has. You are
projecting. I said he's a failure. In fact he's a failure in many of
the areas where you just said you have not failed.

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
...
troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is supposed
to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other, about
jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians would
think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving wife
and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd years who
don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel pretty
successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his mind
and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you, don't read
it.



There's a big difference between having a view and promoting it. As with
most people, Larry likely has a good side and a bad side. Most of us learn
to keep the bad side in check in public. Promoting racial hatred isn't the
same as speaking your mind with friends. This is a public forum. It's like
yelling fire in a crowded theater.

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In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:54:18 -0800, "Capt. JG" said:

This is a public forum. It's like
yelling fire in a crowded theater.

Are you suggesting, Jon, that Larry's rants are crimes as falsely yelling
fire in a crowded theater would be?

Yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater is only a Crime, IF, there is no
"Fire"....

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"mmc" wrote in news:49748437$0$4953
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If his stuff bothers you, don't read
it.


They can't do that....not permitted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5LtSSx9xlU
Here's what they are doing, right here in America.

Can you imagine the reaction to this camp is you substitute "jew" for
"white supremacists"? The FBI/ATF/CIA would be down on them instantly,
just for the illegal weapons.

Ask yourself why FBI and ATF don't step in and arrest anyone with an
automatic weapon. It won't be long before they'll be marching for us.

"Jewish soldiers" in America.

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"mmc" wrote in news:49748437$0$4953
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If his stuff bothers you, don't read
it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hefIt...eature=related

Their real self......to a British TV crew.

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Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
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Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers with
years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal through AIPAC.

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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
:

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers with
years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal through AIPAC.

So far everything you've posted is a direct result of the scumbag Hamas
hiding among their own women and children. By doing so they conform to
universally accepted definitions of cowardice and immorality. What kind
of terrible religion is it that encourages such behavior? How blind does
someone have to be to entirely overlook this primitive immorality?

Stephen

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Stephen Trapani wrote in
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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
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Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a
failure too. You're not, are you?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers
with years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal
through AIPAC.

So far everything you've posted is a direct result of the scumbag
Hamas hiding among their own women and children. By doing so they
conform to universally accepted definitions of cowardice and
immorality. What kind of terrible religion is it that encourages such
behavior? How blind does someone have to be to entirely overlook this
primitive immorality?

Stephen



Oh, yes. Hamas and PLO and everybody-except-Zionism is responsible for
everything.....

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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
:

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers with
years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal through AIPAC.



Larry's rants have caused me to do some research both on the web and
at the library. And, guess what? It appears Larry is spot on with the
Israeli issues! So keep up the good work, Larry.
Gordon

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Stephen Trapani wrote in
:

Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
:

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a
failure too. You're not, are you?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers
with years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal
through AIPAC.

So far everything you've posted is a direct result of the scumbag
Hamas hiding among their own women and children. By doing so they
conform to universally accepted definitions of cowardice and
immorality. What kind of terrible religion is it that encourages such
behavior? How blind does someone have to be to entirely overlook this
primitive immorality?

Stephen



Oh, yes. Hamas and PLO and everybody-except-Zionism is responsible for
everything.....



That's your problem man... it's not an either or situation. Hamas refuses to
acknowledge Israel's right to exist and they've lobbed 1000s of rockets
indiscriminately into population centers. They've condoned and participated
in suicide bombings, etc.

The Israelis tend to over-react when it comes to protecting themselves. This
can be a good thing, e.g., their airline security measures, a mixed thing
with the walling off of PA territories (stops most suicide bombing, but
infringes upon normal people going about their daily lives), and perhaps an
excessive thing when they invaded Lebanon, for example. Even invading Gaza
isn't so cut and dried as you'd like to believe. Last I heard the Hamas
leadership has agreed to a cease fire that Israel did unilaterally. Let's
hope it holds, so that more innocents on both sides won't die a senseless
death.

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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in
:

Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
:

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a
failure too. You're not, are you?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers
with years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal
through AIPAC.
So far everything you've posted is a direct result of the scumbag
Hamas hiding among their own women and children. By doing so they
conform to universally accepted definitions of cowardice and
immorality. What kind of terrible religion is it that encourages such
behavior? How blind does someone have to be to entirely overlook this
primitive immorality?

Stephen



Oh, yes. Hamas and PLO and everybody-except-Zionism is responsible for
everything.....

Not everything, but the aggression of targeting innocents deservedly
gets you condemned and attacked back by any decent country who is able.

Of course you can find atrocities by Israelis. It's war. People are
under massive stress and the some of the lesser of them will do bad
things. But if there is anyone on this earth who is asking to be wiped
from the face of the earth, it's Islamic extremists.

Stephen

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
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Stephen Trapani wrote in
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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
:

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a
failure too. You're not, are you?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers
with years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal
through AIPAC.
So far everything you've posted is a direct result of the scumbag
Hamas hiding among their own women and children. By doing so they
conform to universally accepted definitions of cowardice and
immorality. What kind of terrible religion is it that encourages such
behavior? How blind does someone have to be to entirely overlook this
primitive immorality?

Stephen


Oh, yes. Hamas and PLO and everybody-except-Zionism is responsible for
everything.....



That's your problem man... it's not an either or situation. Hamas refuses to
acknowledge Israel's right to exist and they've lobbed 1000s of rockets
indiscriminately into population centers. They've condoned and participated
in suicide bombings, etc.

The Israelis tend to over-react when it comes to protecting themselves. This
can be a good thing, e.g., their airline security measures, a mixed thing
with the walling off of PA territories (stops most suicide bombing, but
infringes upon normal people going about their daily lives), and perhaps an
excessive thing when they invaded Lebanon, for example. Even invading Gaza
isn't so cut and dried as you'd like to believe. Last I heard the Hamas
leadership has agreed to a cease fire that Israel did unilaterally. Let's
hope it holds, so that more innocents on both sides won't die a senseless
death.

As Larry himself admitted, Hamas is already firing missiles into Israel
again. They deserve whatever reprisal they get.

Stephen

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Gordon wrote:
Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
:

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a
failure too. You're not, are you?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers
with years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal
through AIPAC.



Larry's rants have caused me to do some research both on the web and
at the library. And, guess what? It appears Larry is spot on with the
Israeli issues! So keep up the good work, Larry.
Gordon

Now Larry is making sockpuppets?? Sheesh.

Stephen

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
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Stephen Trapani wrote in
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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:4a1dl.51657
:

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a
failure too. You're not, are you?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_...eature=related

Here's what happens if you post atrocities to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjY...eature=related
If you don't watch any others, what what the foreign service officers
with years and years of service say about America ruled by Isreal
through AIPAC.
So far everything you've posted is a direct result of the scumbag
Hamas hiding among their own women and children. By doing so they
conform to universally accepted definitions of cowardice and
immorality. What kind of terrible religion is it that encourages such
behavior? How blind does someone have to be to entirely overlook this
primitive immorality?

Stephen


Oh, yes. Hamas and PLO and everybody-except-Zionism is responsible for
everything.....



That's your problem man... it's not an either or situation. Hamas refuses
to acknowledge Israel's right to exist and they've lobbed 1000s of
rockets indiscriminately into population centers. They've condoned and
participated in suicide bombings, etc.

The Israelis tend to over-react when it comes to protecting themselves.
This can be a good thing, e.g., their airline security measures, a mixed
thing with the walling off of PA territories (stops most suicide bombing,
but infringes upon normal people going about their daily lives), and
perhaps an excessive thing when they invaded Lebanon, for example. Even
invading Gaza isn't so cut and dried as you'd like to believe. Last I
heard the Hamas leadership has agreed to a cease fire that Israel did
unilaterally. Let's hope it holds, so that more innocents on both sides
won't die a senseless death.

As Larry himself admitted, Hamas is already firing missiles into Israel
again. They deserve whatever reprisal they get.

Stephen



Man, they just don't get it. I know that the Palestinians have been
oppressed for a long time... just about every country in the region has
rejected them, but perhaps it's time to stop the killing.

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Gordon wrote in
m:

Larry's rants have caused me to do some research both on the web and
at the library. And, guess what? It appears Larry is spot on with the
Israeli issues! So keep up the good work, Larry.
Gordon



Al Jazeera is showing a story, right now as I type, of a Palestinian olive
grove that has been in a family's possession for hundreds, if not
thousands, of years handed down as Olive trees are nearly indestructable if
left to grow in the horrible soil of Palestine. Along come some Israeli
soldiers, to guard the AMERICAN MADE CATERPILLAR backhoe that wades into
the ancient olive grove that has fed generations of Palestinians in these
families and just jerks them up by the roots to destroy these people's
living so they can run them off the land to confiscate more West Bank for
more Jews.

The grandmother is screaming in terror at them running around wild because
she, of all people, knows what this will mean....the destruction of her
family, the confiscation of the family farm.

Imagine some Canadian Army soldiers with heavy weapons streaming into North
Dakota destroying the old family farms to expand Canada further South. How
would we react if we had NO WEAPONS, NO INTERNATIONAL FRIENDS, NO ARMY OF
OUR OWN, NO WAY TO FIGHT OFF THE BACKHOES AND BULLDOZERS destroying our
homes?

There is no excuse for this genocide, no excuse for the apartheid Jewish
state that makes America the ENEMY of every non-Jewish foreign person
across this planet. We're digging our own graves supporting this ****.

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"Larry" wrote in message
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racist crap removed

Yeah, imagine being a child and sitting in a classroom, when without more
than a few seconds warning, you and your friends are killed and injured from
a rocket fired by Hamas.

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mmc wrote:
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!


Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.
Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.

Sure you should. But there is a point of being morally wrong enough and
rooting for bad and evil to win against good and innocents, and of trying
to convince others to do so, when one should be considered a failure. And
the sort of vile racism where one wishes the Naziis would have wiped out
an entire race, and rooting for someone else to do so surely crosses that
line, doesn't it?

Have you ever actually read anything Larry wrote saying that? I haven't.


I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too?

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?
I would be if I didn't care about the innocents. Racism and extermination of
innocents happens all over Africa, where is US empathy for those people? Do
we not care because it's "just Africa".
Racism and genocide have happened throughout history, all over the world and
in many cases commited in the name of Christianity.
As to the definition of who is innocent and who is evil, I'll make that
determination for myself, thanks.
Not that my determination will matter to other, just as thiers doesn't
matter to me.

Stephen

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians
would think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving
wife and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd years
who don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel pretty
successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his
mind and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you,
don't read it.



There's a big difference between having a view and promoting it. As with
most people, Larry likely has a good side and a bad side. Most of us learn
to keep the bad side in check in public. Promoting racial hatred isn't the
same as speaking your mind with friends. This is a public forum. It's like
yelling fire in a crowded theater.

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Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in this
country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to labeling
Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad and
not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......

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"mmc" wrote in message
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Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......



There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them, the
rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...
Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......



There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them,
the rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

I agree completely. Just as Christians shouldn't be judged by a tiny
minority of wackos, Muslims shouldn't either.

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mmc wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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mmc wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
...
troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!

Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.
Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
Sure you should. But there is a point of being morally wrong enough and
rooting for bad and evil to win against good and innocents, and of trying
to convince others to do so, when one should be considered a failure. And
the sort of vile racism where one wishes the Naziis would have wiped out
an entire race, and rooting for someone else to do so surely crosses that
line, doesn't it?

Have you ever actually read anything Larry wrote saying that? I haven't.

Within the last few weeks he said that he wished the Nazis would have
finished the job. You must have missed that. And I haven't seen any
apologies or retractions from him, so it looks like you are defending
someone you shouldn't be defending, eh?

I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too?
Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?
I would be if I didn't care about the innocents. Racism and extermination of
innocents happens all over Africa, where is US empathy for those people? Do
we not care because it's "just Africa".

Either you think the US should be more of a policeman to protect
innocents, or less. Here you seem to be saying they should be more. If
so I guess I agree, but if you're saying the US should do less if they
don't do it everywhere, then I disagree. There is a very good reason
they do it more with Israel than most places. Just like there is a very
good reason they are doing it now in Afghanastan, a place where even the
kookiest of conspiracy theorists can't find oil, or Jews ruling the
world, or any other kooky reason to be there besides just doing the
right thing.

Racism and genocide have happened throughout history, all over the world and
in many cases commited in the name of Christianity.

You bet!

As to the definition of who is innocent and who is evil, I'll make that
determination for myself, thanks.

Well, if you make it to exclude, say, one race of children who are
targeted by Muslim extremists, then you are as much of a racist as
Larry. Doesn't sound like you are doing that, so hopefully you want the
extremists stopped as much as I do. And if you take even a brief look at
the form of governments desired by Hamas vs Israel, again, the good guys
aren't hard to determine.

Not that my determination will matter to other, just as thiers doesn't
matter to me.

Of course it matters who we help and who we oppose, even in arguments.

Stephen

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mmc wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
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Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......


There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them,
the rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

I agree completely. Just as Christians shouldn't be judged by a tiny
minority of wackos, Muslims shouldn't either.


I agree completely, but we certainly should judge the tiny minority of
wackos and do whatever we can to stop them.

Stephen

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I agree completely, but we certainly should judge the tiny minority of
wackos and do whatever we can to stop them.

Stephen

And I agree with that as well. The question is, what can we do to stop them?
If they perceive themselves as being attacked by outside forces, they will
also perceive themselves as being righteous in resisting and fighting those
outside forces. But Islam demands that when they are no longer being
attacked, they MUST stop fighting. This doesn't necessarily mean that the
extremists *would* stop fighting, but it does mean that those who continued
in the face of no active enemies would lose virtually all of their support
within the Muslim world. This, then, would put the problem of Islamic
extremists where it belongs -- in the hands of the Faithful.

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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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I agree completely, but we certainly should judge the tiny minority of
wackos and do whatever we can to stop them.

Stephen

And I agree with that as well. The question is, what can we do to stop them?

Wipe them off the face of the earth? Make being one of them so
unattractive that no one else wants to be them?

If they perceive themselves as being attacked by outside forces, they will
also perceive themselves as being righteous in resisting and fighting those
outside forces. But Islam demands that when they are no longer being
attacked, they MUST stop fighting. This doesn't necessarily mean that the
extremists *would* stop fighting, but it does mean that those who continued
in the face of no active enemies would lose virtually all of their support
within the Muslim world. This, then, would put the problem of Islamic
extremists where it belongs -- in the hands of the Faithful.

This would work if only they didn't believe they are being attacked just
by the fact of the US and Israels existence. They have said so many
times. Our only out, according to them is for us to convert to Islam.

Stephen

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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This would work if only they didn't believe they are being attacked just
by the fact of the US and Israels existence. They have said so many times.
Our only out, according to them is for us to convert to Islam.

Stephen


That is the position of the merest fraction of the militant extremists. Even
amongst the militant extremists, the majority simply want the West out of
their lands.

The West invaded the Middle East for oil. Prior to the early 20th century,
the West had little interest in the Middle East, other than for mutual,
consentual trade. And even in the first half of the 20th century, the money
which oil brought into the Middle East was considered fair compensation for
our presence there. Until Western influence and ideals began to seriously
conflict with core Muslim beliefs.

The militant extremists will always consider Western presence in Muslim
lands to be an occupation of those lands. When we put military might into
those lands, we only further this belief. "We will stop raping you when you
stop resisting." In what sane world does the one being raped not have the
right to resist?

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Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians
would think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving
wife and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd
years who don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel
pretty successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his
mind and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you,
don't read it.



There's a big difference between having a view and promoting it. As with
most people, Larry likely has a good side and a bad side. Most of us
learn to keep the bad side in check in public. Promoting racial hatred
isn't the same as speaking your mind with friends. This is a public
forum. It's like yelling fire in a crowded theater.

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www.sailnow.com

Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......




Hard to argue... terrorist = muslim, which is bs.


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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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This would work if only they didn't believe they are being attacked just
by the fact of the US and Israels existence. They have said so many times.
Our only out, according to them is for us to convert to Islam.

Stephen


That is the position of the merest fraction of the militant extremists. Even
amongst the militant extremists, the majority simply want the West out of
their lands.

I don't know what fraction it is, but the ones who demand we convert to
Islam are the ones we are fighting. Bin Laden said exactly that in one
of his last messages. As far as getting out of their lands, its not just
us they want out, it's free government. Tyrannical philosophies like
theirs require tyrannical governments in order to survive and they know
it. Opposing arguments (free speech) can't be allowed because they will
result in people realizing the truth of their oppression, so almost all
freedom must be stamped out.

The West invaded the Middle East for oil. Prior to the early 20th century,
the West had little interest in the Middle East, other than for mutual,
consentual trade. And even in the first half of the 20th century, the money
which oil brought into the Middle East was considered fair compensation for
our presence there. Until Western influence and ideals began to seriously
conflict with core Muslim beliefs.

Well I already anticipated this argument and addressed it before you
said it. Why did we invade Afghanistan then? And when you realize you
can't answer that, tag on the follow up question: Why are we still there
sacrificing American lives for the sake of establishing a democracy?

The militant extremists will always consider Western presence in Muslim
lands to be an occupation of those lands. When we put military might into
those lands, we only further this belief. "We will stop raping you when you
stop resisting." In what sane world does the one being raped not have the
right to resist?

Of course, most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban. They know the
brutality that comes with them. Most Afghanies want a democracy and want
the US to succeed in helping them establish that. The Taliban strategy
is the same one all Muslim extremists are using nowadays. Bomb, kill and
terrorize so many innocent citizens that they wish for the relative
safety of the brutal Taliban government instead of terrorism. And you
think the US should go ahead and let that happen? Weren't you just
saying that you agreed the US should stop them?

Stephen

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:
The West invaded the Middle East for oil. Prior to the early 20th
century, the West had little interest in the Middle East, other than for
mutual, consentual trade. And even in the first half of the 20th century,
the money which oil brought into the Middle East was considered fair
compensation for our presence there. Until Western influence and ideals
began to seriously conflict with core Muslim beliefs.

Well I already anticipated this argument and addressed it before you said
it. Why did we invade Afghanistan then? And when you realize you can't
answer that, tag on the follow up question: Why are we still there
sacrificing American lives for the sake of establishing a democracy?

First, you reduce the equation too far when you assume that Afghanistan has
nothing to do with oil (or more precisely, power). The Trans-Afghanistan
Pipeline project has a great deal to do with America's interest in that
particular country. But the fact is that our original foray into Afghanistan
was viewed by virtually the entire world, including most of the Muslim
world, as being righteous. And as a matter of fact, I supported it until
that idiot Bush declared victory after three months and pulled out all but a
relative handful of troops and invaded Iraq.

That said, it is impossible for any occupying force to hold Afghanistan. The
more enemies we make there, the greater the insurgency will grow, to the
point that no amount of force will be able to hold it.


The militant extremists will always consider Western presence in Muslim
lands to be an occupation of those lands. When we put military might into
those lands, we only further this belief. "We will stop raping you when
you stop resisting." In what sane world does the one being raped not have
the right to resist?

Of course, most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban. They know the brutality
that comes with them. Most Afghanies want a democracy and want the US to
succeed in helping them establish that. The Taliban strategy is the same
one all Muslim extremists are using nowadays. Bomb, kill and terrorize so
many innocent citizens that they wish for the relative safety of the
brutal Taliban government instead of terrorism. And you think the US
should go ahead and let that happen? Weren't you just saying that you
agreed the US should stop them?

Stephen

We disagree on what should be done to "stop them." You view it as a military
problem -- kill them, and keep killing them until they stop fighting. I view
it as a cultural problem. When we stop meddling with affairs that the vast
majority of Americans cannot grasp, as they cannot empathize with any
world-view other than their own, things will improve on their own.

As for the Taliban, this would be the exact same group that the United
States nurtured and supported when Afghanistani mujahideen were fighting
against the evil Soviets. They were led by an individual called Osama bin
Laden. Of course, at that time we were also best buddies with Saddam
Hussein. And Saddam, bless his heart, was gassing kurds and killing Iraqi
revolutionaries at that time.

But who does the Taliban kill? Those who are supporting their enemies. Gee,
sort of like every other government on the planet. How are they any
different than the US, or Israel?

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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:
The West invaded the Middle East for oil. Prior to the early 20th
century, the West had little interest in the Middle East, other than for
mutual, consentual trade. And even in the first half of the 20th century,
the money which oil brought into the Middle East was considered fair
compensation for our presence there. Until Western influence and ideals
began to seriously conflict with core Muslim beliefs.
Well I already anticipated this argument and addressed it before you said
it. Why did we invade Afghanistan then? And when you realize you can't
answer that, tag on the follow up question: Why are we still there
sacrificing American lives for the sake of establishing a democracy?

First, you reduce the equation too far when you assume that Afghanistan has
nothing to do with oil (or more precisely, power). The Trans-Afghanistan
Pipeline project has a great deal to do with America's interest in that
particular country.

Hilarious. If you can make a case for anyone wanting to take over
Afghanistan for oil, then you can do it for taking over any country on
earth. Nevermind that the US of course doesn't take over countries and
just like they did with Japan and Italy and Iraq and every other country
they've ever defeated in war, they will give them their country back
with an intact democracy established, so we don't have to fight tyrants
from their again.

But the fact is that our original foray into Afghanistan
was viewed by virtually the entire world, including most of the Muslim
world, as being righteous. And as a matter of fact, I supported it until
that idiot Bush declared victory after three months and pulled out all but a
relative handful of troops and invaded Iraq.

That said, it is impossible for any occupying force to hold Afghanistan. The
more enemies we make there, the greater the insurgency will grow, to the
point that no amount of force will be able to hold it.

Well, good, you agree the US had and still has good reason to restore a
democracy to Afghanistan. We have the same reason for being there now as
we had going in the first place, to make sure there is no extremist
Islamic safe haven for terrorists there. The only moral way to do that
is to establish a strong democracy there. Democracies have never warred
against each other. Of course we aren't trying to hold it by force. We
are trying to give the country to the good people of Afghanistan, who
want freedom just like all humans do.

The militant extremists will always consider Western presence in Muslim
lands to be an occupation of those lands. When we put military might into
those lands, we only further this belief. "We will stop raping you when
you stop resisting." In what sane world does the one being raped not have
the right to resist?
Of course, most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban. They know the brutality
that comes with them. Most Afghanies want a democracy and want the US to
succeed in helping them establish that. The Taliban strategy is the same
one all Muslim extremists are using nowadays. Bomb, kill and terrorize so
many innocent citizens that they wish for the relative safety of the
brutal Taliban government instead of terrorism. And you think the US
should go ahead and let that happen? Weren't you just saying that you
agreed the US should stop them?

Stephen

We disagree on what should be done to "stop them." You view it as a military
problem -- kill them, and keep killing them until they stop fighting. I view
it as a cultural problem. When we stop meddling with affairs that the vast
majority of Americans cannot grasp, as they cannot empathize with any
world-view other than their own, things will improve on their own.

You can't grasp brutal tyrannical theocracies reviled by their own
citizens? Well, most Americans, not to mention most humans can. These
people aren't some foreign subhuman species that like to be abused and
oppressed. They're human beings just like us!

As for the Taliban, this would be the exact same group that the United
States nurtured and supported when Afghanistani mujahideen were fighting
against the evil Soviets. They were led by an individual called Osama bin
Laden. Of course, at that time we were also best buddies with Saddam
Hussein. And Saddam, bless his heart, was gassing kurds and killing Iraqi
revolutionaries at that time.

Sometimes politics involves supporting the lesser of evils.

But who does the Taliban kill? Those who are supporting their enemies. Gee,
sort of like every other government on the planet. How are they any
different than the US, or Israel?

I advise you read _Kite Runner_ written by an Afghanie. Or find some
other source about how the Taliban ran Afghanistan. My goodness.

Stephen

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Democracies have never warred against each other. Stephen

Hogwash.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/demowar.htm

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Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?

Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.


This is an interesting subject. Charlie Wilson and the CIA introduced
the growing of opium to supplement the war effort against Russia. Then
the Taliban took over and abolished the growing of opium. This didn't
sit well with our politicians so we went after the Taliban and now opium
growing is back to where it was.
Gordon

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mmc wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought
it was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!

Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job. :)

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At
least Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.
Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
Sure you should. But there is a point of being morally wrong enough and
rooting for bad and evil to win against good and innocents, and of
trying to convince others to do so, when one should be considered a
failure. And the sort of vile racism where one wishes the Naziis would
have wiped out an entire race, and rooting for someone else to do so
surely crosses that line, doesn't it?

Have you ever actually read anything Larry wrote saying that? I haven't.

Within the last few weeks he said that he wished the Nazis would have
finished the job. You must have missed that. And I haven't seen any
apologies or retractions from him, so it looks like you are defending
someone you shouldn't be defending, eh?

I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too?
Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?
I would be if I didn't care about the innocents. Racism and extermination
of innocents happens all over Africa, where is US empathy for those
people? Do we not care because it's "just Africa".

Either you think the US should be more of a policeman to protect
innocents, or less. Here you seem to be saying they should be more. If so
I guess I agree, but if you're saying the US should do less if they don't
do it everywhere, then I disagree. There is a very good reason they do it
more with Israel than most places. Just like there is a very good reason
they are doing it now in Afghanastan, a place where even the kookiest of
conspiracy theorists can't find oil, or Jews ruling the world, or any
other kooky reason to be there besides just doing the right thing.

Racism and genocide have happened throughout history, all over the world
and in many cases commited in the name of Christianity.

You bet!

As to the definition of who is innocent and who is evil, I'll make that
determination for myself, thanks.

Well, if you make it to exclude, say, one race of children who are
targeted by Muslim extremists, then you are as much of a racist as Larry.
Doesn't sound like you are doing that, so hopefully you want the
extremists stopped as much as I do. And if you take even a brief look at
the form of governments desired by Hamas vs Israel, again, the good guys
aren't hard to determine.

Not that my determination will matter to other, just as thiers doesn't
matter to me.

Of course it matters who we help and who we oppose, even in arguments.

Stephen

Stephen,
I don't beleive in anything being black and white as far as who the good
guys and who the bad guys are in Israel any more than I believe we Americans
always deserve to wear the white hat.
In my little world, good and evil exist in all of us and it's up to each to
decide which we will let the world see at any one time.
And yes, I think stepping in when something like the Rwanda genocide was
taking place with 100s of thousands killed, including women and children,
does take a priority over a couple dozen Hamas rockets. Our strategic
partnership is extrememly one sided.
But that doesn't fit the Judeo-Christian goals and objectives does it?
This is my last post on this I don't think we're going to find a common
ground on this subject.
How's your boat? Any cruising plans for this year?

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Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?

Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.

You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The rest should be obvious.

Stephen

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Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?

Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.

You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The rest should be obvious.

Stephen

You are aware, of course, that "The Kite Runner" is a work of fiction?
Similarly, one could read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and come to the
conclusion that most Indians hate the Federal Government.

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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?
Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.
You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The rest should be obvious.

Stephen

You are aware, of course, that "The Kite Runner" is a work of fiction?
Similarly, one could read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and come to the
conclusion that most Indians hate the Federal Government.

It's historical fiction, written by someone who was there.

Stephen

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On Jan 21, 10:58 pm, Stephen Trapani
wrote:
KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?
Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.
You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The rest should be obvious.

Stephen

You are aware, of course, that "The Kite Runner" is a work of fiction?
Similarly, one could read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and come to the
conclusion that most Indians hate the Federal Government.

It's historical fiction, written by someone who was there.

Stephen

Ahh then that makes it all ok. the author would never overstate any
thing to sell a book.
like news paper and television reporters would never manipulate a
story to propagate there view point.

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Two meter troll wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:58 pm, Stephen Trapani
wrote:
KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:
most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?
Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.
You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
The rest should be obvious.
Stephen
You are aware, of course, that "The Kite Runner" is a work of fiction?
Similarly, one could read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and come to the
conclusion that most Indians hate the Federal Government.
It's historical fiction, written by someone who was there.

Stephen

Ahh then that makes it all ok. the author would never overstate any
thing to sell a book.
like news paper and television reporters would never manipulate a
story to propagate there view point.

Has anyone every noticed how "pacifists," moral relativists, and lefties
try to sound neutral and fair and respecting of all views, yet they
always end up making excuses and diminishing the evil acts of the worst,
most evil human beings on the planet? That's not neutrality, it's siding
with the bad guys. As if the Taliban weren't one of the most brutal
regimes to their own citizens in recent history.

If you want to be good and kind and gentle, stop siding with people who
are the opposite!!

Stephen

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Dave wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:21:43 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

If you want to be good and kind and gentle, stop siding with people who
are the opposite!!

Don't know about two meter, but I'm not on the side of anyone or anything in
your food fight, other than truth. So when you say "most of the Afghanies
[sic] hate the Taliban," my BS detector lights up and says to me that you're
not in a position to make that judgment based on direct experience. So I ask
for the basis of the conclusion. Your answers to that question have been
less than satisfactory thus far.

So let me see. You educated yourself about the historic brutality of the
Taliban regime and when I said most Afghanis didn't like it, *that* set
off your BS meter??

You'd better get that thing adjusted!!!

Stephen