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Dave wrote:
I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those events were wildly popular. Which, if one applies the axiom you seem to be positing in another thread, would imply that such practices were "correct" ;-) Cheers Martin |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:25:25 -0800, Stephen Trapani said: Don't know about two meter, but I'm not on the side of anyone or anything in your food fight, other than truth. So when you say "most of the Afghanies [sic] hate the Taliban," my BS detector lights up and says to me that you're not in a position to make that judgment based on direct experience. So I ask for the basis of the conclusion. Your answers to that question have been less than satisfactory thus far. So let me see. You educated yourself about the historic brutality of the Taliban regime and when I said most Afghanis didn't like it, *that* set off your BS meter?? I didn't have to educate myself on the topic, Steve. Aha, there's your problem. You need to learn more about the Taliban and how they treated their citizens. What set off my BS meter was your apparent smug assumption, with no supporting evidence, that the mass of people from this very different culture must necessarily share your point of view. Might be true. Might not. Well, unless you think they are monkeys or subhuman in some way, the same things that hurt you, hurt them. If your father is kidnapped and killed, if your sister is brutalized and oppressed, if anyone who objects has to live in constant fear, you hate it and so do they. I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those events were wildly popular. The similar stadium executions in Afghanistan were popular also. Does that mean that either of them a morally good way to treat people? No. Your "tolerance" of other "cultures" is causing you to support brutality against people and is immoral. You should change. Stephen |
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I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those events were wildly popular. There is no evidence that this ever happened. There was relatively little persecution of the early Christians, and most incidents involved individuals who were deemed enemies of the state for political, not religious reasons. If nothing else, the extremely small number of Christian in the First Century and shortly thereafter made them hardly worth bothering with. The is a saying amongst Biblical scholars (probably hyperbole) that "In the year 100 there were 100 Christians." |
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"jeff" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those events were wildly popular. There is no evidence that this ever happened. There was relatively little persecution of the early Christians, and most incidents involved individuals who were deemed enemies of the state for political, not religious reasons. If nothing else, the extremely small number of Christian in the First Century and shortly thereafter made them hardly worth bothering with. The is a saying amongst Biblical scholars (probably hyperbole) that "In the year 100 there were 100 Christians." And in the year 2009, there might actually be 2009 of them. I've seen scant evidence of them, though. |
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... On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:30:41 -0500, jeff said: There is no evidence that this ever happened. You seem to have missed the point. I think Jeff's interested in intellectual honesty. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:30:41 -0500, jeff said: There is no evidence that this ever happened. You seem to have missed the point. Why would you assume that I care about your point? |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:56:09 -0800, Stephen Trapani said: What set off my BS meter was your apparent smug assumption, with no supporting evidence, that the mass of people from this very different culture must necessarily share your point of view. Might be true. Might not. Well, unless you think they are monkeys or subhuman in some way, the same things that hurt you, hurt them. If your father is kidnapped and killed, if your sister is brutalized and oppressed, if anyone who objects has to live in constant fear, you hate it and so do they. Q.E.D. And now you allege that the majority of Afghanis have had relatives kidnapped and killed by the Taliban? What is your support for that proposition? Of course those were just two examples of the numerous different types of brutality and oppression the Taliban is famous for. I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those events were wildly popular. The similar stadium executions in Afghanistan were popular also. Does that mean that either of them a morally good way to treat people? No. Your "tolerance" of other "cultures" is causing you to support brutality against people and is immoral. You should change. As I've said before, I'm not backing the Taliban. My interest is in intellectual honesty and truth. I ask you to support the propositions you put forth, and you're unable to do so. Sputtering indignance is not an adequate substitute. I'm not going to write out a long description of the Taliban rule in Afghanistan because you're too lazy to type a few words into google. Why would I do that? I provided you with two good sources, but you said you had no need to educate yourself. And you *are* backing the Taliban because you continue to deny that they were brutal and hated by their people and refuse to even look into the matter yourself, probably because you know what you will find. And you don't want to have your nice little fantasy world blown right out of the water, where everyone respects everyone else's way of living, where we are all equally good and just and only see things from a different perspective, where the US is in no danger at all and has no responsibility to fight evil people. Stephen |
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On 24 Jan 2009 10:41:01 -0600, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:56:09 -0800, Stephen Trapani said: What set off my BS meter was your apparent smug assumption, with no supporting evidence, that the mass of people from this very different culture must necessarily share your point of view. Might be true. Might not. Well, unless you think they are monkeys or subhuman in some way, the same things that hurt you, hurt them. If your father is kidnapped and killed, if your sister is brutalized and oppressed, if anyone who objects has to live in constant fear, you hate it and so do they. Q.E.D. And now you allege that the majority of Afghanis have had relatives kidnapped and killed by the Taliban? What is your support for that proposition? I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those events were wildly popular. The similar stadium executions in Afghanistan were popular also. Does that mean that either of them a morally good way to treat people? No. Your "tolerance" of other "cultures" is causing you to support brutality against people and is immoral. You should change. As I've said before, I'm not backing the Taliban. My interest is in intellectual honesty and truth. Too Funny! |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:31:52 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Dave" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:30:41 -0500, jeff said: There is no evidence that this ever happened. You seem to have missed the point. I think Jeff's interested in intellectual honesty. Perhaps, but you are conversing with Dave at the moment. Intellectual Honesty does not apply unless Dave questions yours. |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:49:28 -0500, jeff said: You seem to have missed the point. Why would you assume that I care about your point? Perhaps I give you too much credit for rationality. Perhaps a relevant point if I had been engaged in this particular discussion. However, I merely dropped in to shed a small bit of light on an often misunderstood historical point. |
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... On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:31:52 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:30:41 -0500, jeff said: There is no evidence that this ever happened. You seem to have missed the point. I think Jeff's interested in intellectual honesty. Perhaps, but you are conversing with Dave at the moment. Intellectual Honesty does not apply unless Dave questions yours. OIC -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Dave wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:49:28 -0500, jeff said: You seem to have missed the point. Why would you assume that I care about your point? Perhaps I give you too much credit for rationality. Perhaps a relevant point if I had been engaged in this particular discussion. However, I merely dropped in to shed a small bit of light on an often misunderstood historical point. Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... "Capt. JG" wrote in news:Tu- reasolutions: Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Current child death count in the Gaza Concentration Camp = 410 (reported today on Al Jazeera) Terrible tragedy. Perhaps Hamas should continue to stop firing off rockets? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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easolutions: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in news:Tu- reasolutions: Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Current child death count in the Gaza Concentration Camp = 410 (reported today on Al Jazeera) Terrible tragedy. Perhaps Hamas should continue to stop firing off rockets? You are SO transparent. Hamas justifies Zionist genocide. Will you use that the next time Zionists kill the kids in Lebanon, too, or will that be a different non-Jewish group? |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in news:Tu- reasolutions: Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Current child death count in the Gaza Concentration Camp = 410 (reported today on Al Jazeera) Terrible tragedy. Perhaps Hamas should continue to stop firing off rockets? While they're at it they could try not caching weapons in dugouts under kindergartens. But then one of their best propaganda tools, (in their training manuals at least) is to find ways to lure the Israelis into killing their children. Cheers Martin |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in news:Tu- reasolutions: Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Current child death count in the Gaza Concentration Camp = 410 (reported today on Al Jazeera) Terrible tragedy. Perhaps Hamas should continue to stop firing off rockets? While they're at it they could try not caching weapons in dugouts under kindergartens. But then one of their best propaganda tools, (in their training manuals at least) is to find ways to lure the Israelis into killing their children. Cheers Martin Larry is so caught up in being a racist that he can't consider an alternate view. You'll notice that I said it was a terrible tragedy and suggested that perhaps the peace-loving Hamas, who refuse to acknowledge an entire country's right to exist, might consider not attempting to kill innocent people. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:Tu- reasolutions: Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Current child death count in the Gaza Concentration Camp = 410 (reported today on Al Jazeera) The funny part about this and Larry's recent posts on this subject is that you'd have to search long and hard to find any source anywhere about world news, politics and such that Larry would believe isn't some giant conspiracy, but Al Jazeera, known, proven liars, documented over and over as fabricating facts, he believes like it's gospel, err, written in stone, err, well, you know what I mean. Stephen |
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... Larry wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in news:Tu- reasolutions: Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Current child death count in the Gaza Concentration Camp = 410 (reported today on Al Jazeera) The funny part about this and Larry's recent posts on this subject is that you'd have to search long and hard to find any source anywhere about world news, politics and such that Larry would believe isn't some giant conspiracy, but Al Jazeera, known, proven liars, documented over and over as fabricating facts, he believes like it's gospel, err, written in stone, err, well, you know what I mean. Stephen Yeah, I don't get that either... it's all a conspiracy, except for one of the most extreme groups around like Hamas. I was watching Jon Stewart, who had on a senior Al Jazeera reporter. Even he admitted that the broadcasts are specifically done to appeal to the Arab audience. I have no doubt that some, even a lot of what they report is accurate, but to take them as the end all and be all of truth, especially about a hot-button issue like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:27:23 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:
Larry is so caught up in being a racist that he can't consider an alternate view. You'll notice that I said it was a terrible tragedy and suggested that perhaps the peace-loving Hamas, who refuse to acknowledge an entire country's right to exist, might consider not attempting to kill innocent people. So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas. |
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Larry wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in news:Tu- reasolutions: Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Current child death count in the Gaza Concentration Camp = 410 (reported today on Al Jazeera) The funny part about this and Larry's recent posts on this subject is that you'd have to search long and hard to find any source anywhere about world news, politics and such that Larry would believe isn't some giant conspiracy, but Al Jazeera, known, proven liars, documented over and over as fabricating facts, he believes like it's gospel, err, written in stone, err, well, you know what I mean. And his primary source for Talmudic wisdom is the Aryan Nation. |
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... On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:27:23 -0800, Capt. JG wrote: Larry is so caught up in being a racist that he can't consider an alternate view. You'll notice that I said it was a terrible tragedy and suggested that perhaps the peace-loving Hamas, who refuse to acknowledge an entire country's right to exist, might consider not attempting to kill innocent people. So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas. Never said that. What I said was "Terrible tragedy. Perhaps Hamas should continue to stop firing off rockets?" Is there something there that indicates I believe that any war crime is tolerable? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Stephen Trapani wrote in news:WGTel.2428$E% : Larry wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in news:Tu- reasolutions: Thank you Professor Jeff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Current child death count in the Gaza Concentration Camp = 410 (reported today on Al Jazeera) The funny part about this and Larry's recent posts on this subject is that you'd have to search long and hard to find any source anywhere about world news, politics and such that Larry would believe isn't some giant conspiracy, but Al Jazeera, known, proven liars, documented over and over as fabricating facts, he believes like it's gospel, err, written in stone, err, well, you know what I mean. Stephen You stupid ass. WATCH THE VIDEO! You can SEE the phosphorus cluster bombs going off in the air! Did Aljazeera fly in with helicopters and drop them on Gaza for the video? Larry, Al Jazeera is a press organization. You might want to stop ranting long enough to think. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:27:23 -0800, Capt. JG wrote: Larry is so caught up in being a racist that he can't consider an alternate view. You'll notice that I said it was a terrible tragedy and suggested that perhaps the peace-loving Hamas, who refuse to acknowledge an entire country's right to exist, might consider not attempting to kill innocent people. So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas. So, how would you stop them? Cheers Martin |
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easolutions: Larry, Al Jazeera is a press organization. You might want to stop ranting long enough to think. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com So, which Jewish-controlled press do I watch, instead? CNN? Fox? MSNBC? CBS? NBC? ABC? which one of the TelAviv TV News do we watch? Not a single one of them had a reporter INSIDE Gaza.... |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote:
So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas. So, how would you stop them? They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires more rockets? And on, and on, it goes. |
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... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote: So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas. So, how would you stop them? They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires more rockets? And on, and on, it goes. That's the pessimistic attitude. Israel attacked and so far Hamas has stopped firing the rockets. I think it's possible for the situation to get resolved. Remember... Egypt and Jordan were also enemies. Now, they tolerate Israel. Even Syria isn't interested in armed conflict. You'll note they did nothing when the Israeli airforce took out their nuclear power plant. Lebannon hasn't done much since the Israelis withdrew (even with Hezbollah in charge in a somewhat failed state). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... "Capt. JG" wrote in easolutions: Larry, Al Jazeera is a press organization. You might want to stop ranting long enough to think. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com So, which Jewish-controlled press do I watch, instead? CNN? Fox? MSNBC? CBS? NBC? ABC? which one of the TelAviv TV News do we watch? Not a single one of them had a reporter INSIDE Gaza.... Never said "instead." What I said was that it's a press organization by its own admission plays to the Arab audience. If you're serious about your question (subtracting your usual racist remarks), the answer is listen to a bunch of them. There's also the BBC, but I suppose you think they're controlled by "Jews" like the other supposedly are. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote: So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas. So, how would you stop them? They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires more rockets? And on, and on, it goes. Oh, so the Israelis should just roll over and commit mass suicide? They tried that at Masada, didn't really do much good. They have done exactly the same thing any nation does when faced with terrorists attacking them,, they took the fight to the terrorists,, just like the US did following 911, (should have stuck to Afghanistan, but that's another tale). It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain, Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing innocents. Cheers Martin |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in easolutions: Larry, Al Jazeera is a press organization. You might want to stop ranting long enough to think. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com So, which Jewish-controlled press do I watch, instead? CNN? Fox? MSNBC? CBS? NBC? ABC? which one of the TelAviv TV News do we watch? Not a single one of them had a reporter INSIDE Gaza.... And just which journalist, worthy of the title did Al Jazeera have on the ground? Not one. You saw a lot of stock footage, a lot of made up crap, a bunch of stuff cobbled together from other news feeds and a few home videos of questionable pedigree. The only news organization with any credibility that had people on the ground was the BBC, but you don't want to acknowledge them do you, damned inconvenient they are, with all that British impartiality and well deserved respect for honest journalism. As an aside Larry, I'll bet you're right pleased with the Pope's reversal of an excommunication this week aren't you? Cheers Martin |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:04:51 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:
There's also the BBC, but I suppose you think they're controlled by "Jews" like the other supposedly are. Nothing for nothing, but the BBC provided many of Al Jazeera's staff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote:
It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain, Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing innocents. LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I guess you know what that means in a democracy. |
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t... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote: It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain, Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing innocents. LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I guess you know what that means in a democracy. It means that the current majority needs to invest in the political and social capital necessary to make that a non-event. There are only three possibilities... 1) ethnic cleansing 2) apartheid 3) democracy. The first two are not viable. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:04:51 -0800, Capt. JG wrote: There's also the BBC, but I suppose you think they're controlled by "Jews" like the other supposedly are. Nothing for nothing, but the BBC provided many of Al Jazeera's staff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera Well, some of the staff, but beyond that it was originally funded by the emir of Qatar. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:03:11 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote: So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas. So, how would you stop them? They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires more rockets? And on, and on, it goes. That's the pessimistic attitude. Israel attacked and so far Hamas has stopped firing the rockets. I think it's possible for the situation to get resolved. I think, based on all known history, that you are foolishly optimistic. Hamas uses any ceasefire to regroup and re-arm for the next round. Syria is probably supplying them with more missles and other aid. This is not exactly a new pattern, I'm talking about. |
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... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:03:11 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote: So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas. So, how would you stop them? They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires more rockets? And on, and on, it goes. That's the pessimistic attitude. Israel attacked and so far Hamas has stopped firing the rockets. I think it's possible for the situation to get resolved. I think, based on all known history, that you are foolishly optimistic. Hamas uses any ceasefire to regroup and re-arm for the next round. Syria is probably supplying them with more missles and other aid. This is not exactly a new pattern, I'm talking about. Hope for the best, plan for the worst... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message t... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote: It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain, Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing innocents. LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I guess you know what that means in a democracy. It means that the current majority needs to invest in the political and social capital necessary to make that a non-event. There are only three possibilities... 1) ethnic cleansing 2) apartheid 3) democracy. The first two are not viable. You forgot one. Produce enough children, a rather pleasurable task. |
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"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "thunder" wrote in message t... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote: It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain, Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing innocents. LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I guess you know what that means in a democracy. It means that the current majority needs to invest in the political and social capital necessary to make that a non-event. There are only three possibilities... 1) ethnic cleansing 2) apartheid 3) democracy. The first two are not viable. You forgot one. Produce enough children, a rather pleasurable task. That was included in the "are expected to be in the majority" comment previously. The probably is... the Palestinians are reproducing faster. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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