On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:15:51 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

I was talking to a guy about 58 years old who was an AB on a Chevron
tanker. We were talking about boat jobs and he described a great
program the Sefarers International Union (SIU) had for new mariners.

If you think you want to be a real sailor and not some fat ****
sailboat guy ****ing about willburs grammer get a life and check out
SIU UnLicensed Apprentance program.

http://www.seafarers.org/jobs/uafaq.xml

Basically after $1500 tuition and a seven month school at Pinney
Point, MD you walk out a union AB with a "B" seniority book. WIth A-B-
C-D books, D Book the least seniority, that means youre next to the
top in seniority and get to sail when ever ya want. Its really an
unbelivable opportunity.

Oh, now I can hear all the "ya butters." "I would but.... or I could
but....." The guy I was talking to said he new of a guy SEVENTY years
old who just completed the 7 month program and was sailing (that means
working on unlimited ships as an AB, not typing about sailboats here)

So quit your whinning and give up your looser RBC life and get a real
job on a real boat with real mariners. If a 70 year old guy can do it
at least a few of you recreational yacher types can do it. Besides I
hear at least a few of you white, fat, 60 yo geezers have the back of
a 30 year old...........

If not please pass this information to anyone who wants to better
their life and career.

That looks like a sweet program for those who fit in it.
Probably a good idea to go to the hall you'll sail from and check out
the jobs available.
I got a CG Watertender license back in the early '70's (Navy
experience and passing the CG test) and when I got to the SIU hall in
NYC there was no work for me. Even the "A" seniority guys were
waiting weeks to get a berth.
Ended up back in Chicago doing vacation fill-ins on the lakes.

--Vic

On Jan 6, 4:37*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:15:51 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:





I was talking to a guy about 58 years old who was an AB on a Chevron
tanker. We were talking about boat jobs and he described a great
program the Sefarers International Union (SIU) had for new mariners.

If you think you want to be a real sailor and not some fat ****
sailboat guy ****ing about willburs grammer get a life and check out
SIU UnLicensed Apprentance program.

http://www.seafarers.org/jobs/uafaq.xml

Basically after $1500 tuition and a seven month school at Pinney
Point, MD you walk out a union AB with a "B" seniority book. WIth A-B-
C-D books, D Book the least seniority, that means youre next to the
top in seniority and get to sail when ever ya want. Its really an
unbelivable opportunity.

Oh, now I can hear all the "ya butters." "I would but.... or I could
but....." The guy I was talking to said he new of a guy SEVENTY years
old who just completed the 7 month program and was sailing (that means
working on unlimited ships as an AB, not typing about sailboats here)

So quit your whinning and give up your looser RBC life and get a real
job on a real boat with real mariners. If a 70 year old guy can do it
at least a few of you recreational yacher types can do it. Besides I
hear at least a few of you white, fat, 60 yo geezers have the back of
a 30 year old...........

If not please pass this information to anyone who wants to better
their life and career.

That looks like a sweet program for those who fit in it.
Probably a good idea to go to the hall you'll sail from and check out
the jobs available.
I got a CG Watertender license back in the early '70's (Navy
experience and passing the CG test) and when I got to the SIU hall in
NYC there was no work for me. *Even the "A" seniority guys were
waiting weeks to get a berth.
Ended up back in Chicago doing vacation fill-ins on the lakes.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

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Ya Vic I was wondering about job availibilty too.

I keep a pretty close lookout on the marine transportion stocks and
most the deep sea carriers are down 20%-30% which means fewer sailing
jobs. The sweet part about the SIU apprentiship, or at least the way i
understand it is, part of the program is the union promises the new
"grads" 360 days after finishing the program.

But your are right about slim pickin in the 70s. I think times have
improved dramatically since then. The US transportation dept or
some .gov agency along with a few industry associations conducted a
maritme manning survey released last summer. The study painted a doom
and gloom man shortage for both US deep sea and brownwater companies.
Just cant get people to go sailing anymore. Christ, if a 70 year old
got a bunk Id say shipping has really got to be in a hurt!

Do you think Wilbur would sign up or would it take him away from his
current crusing life?

Hope your new year is going well Vic!
Bob

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:13:39 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:



But your are right about slim pickin in the 70s. I think times have
improved dramatically since then. The US transportation dept or
some .gov agency along with a few industry associations conducted a
maritme manning survey released last summer. The study painted a doom
and gloom man shortage for both US deep sea and brownwater companies.
Just cant get people to go sailing anymore. Christ, if a 70 year old
got a bunk Id say shipping has really got to be in a hurt!

It was '71 or '72, and the union reps at the hall told me they were
pulling guys off the streets just a while back. Viet Nam had wound
down.

Do you think Wilbur would sign up or would it take him away from his
current crusing life?

Might do him some good.

Hope your new year is going well Vic!

It ain't, really. I only get wet in the bathtub.
But I'm not really complaining.
Hope you're doing well.

--Vic

On Jan 6, 4:37*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:15:51 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:





I was talking to a guy about 58 years old who was an AB on a Chevron
tanker. We were talking about boat jobs and he described a great
program the Sefarers International Union (SIU) had for new mariners.

If you think you want to be a real sailor and not some fat ****
sailboat guy ****ing about willburs grammer get a life and check out
SIU UnLicensed Apprentance program.

http://www.seafarers.org/jobs/uafaq.xml

Basically after $1500 tuition and a seven month school at Pinney
Point, MD you walk out a union AB with a "B" seniority book. WIth A-B-
C-D books, D Book the least seniority, that means youre next to the
top in seniority and get to sail when ever ya want. Its really an
unbelivable opportunity.

Oh, now I can hear all the "ya butters." "I would but.... or I could
but....." The guy I was talking to said he new of a guy SEVENTY years
old who just completed the 7 month program and was sailing (that means
working on unlimited ships as an AB, not typing about sailboats here)

So quit your whinning and give up your looser RBC life and get a real
job on a real boat with real mariners. If a 70 year old guy can do it
at least a few of you recreational yacher types can do it. Besides I
hear at least a few of you white, fat, 60 yo geezers have the back of
a 30 year old...........

If not please pass this information to anyone who wants to better
their life and career.

That looks like a sweet program for those who fit in it.
Probably a good idea to go to the hall you'll sail from and check out
the jobs available.
I got a CG Watertender license back in the early '70's (Navy
experience and passing the CG test) and when I got to the SIU hall in
NYC there was no work for me. *Even the "A" seniority guys were
waiting weeks to get a berth.
Ended up back in Chicago doing vacation fill-ins on the lakes.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

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Vic.........
I forgot to ask. So were you of those unlimited laker guys?
Id think that would have to be a real "who ya know" group to break
into.
BOb

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:16:44 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:


Vic.........
I forgot to ask. So were you of those unlimited laker guys?
Id think that would have to be a real "who ya know" group to break
into.

Don't know what "unlimited" is. Only did it one summer.
Maybe a month on the Illinois (Standard Oil Whiting IN) and a couple
few week trips on the Rocket (Cleveland Tankers - Ashland Oil Toledo
OH)
Quit more because I liked seeing girls than anything else. Pay was
okay and the chow was REALLY good. But you were hitting ports all
over the lakes with a quick turnaround when tied up. You could pump
in/out in 12-16 hours, and you were back out again. Couldn't even get
a drunk on with that. No way I'd work if not sharp, so it was hard to
even enjoy more than a couple beers. I had enough whoring in the Navy
and never went for bar floozies in the States.
So after coming back from one trip I just got a shore job.
Ended up with a good wife too.
But I think I know what you're talking about with the "who ya know."
I went to a couple halls first. There was a National Maritime Union
hall in Chicago then, beside the Seafarers.
Think the guys told me if I didn't have the Navy experience I would
have to get "sponsored" by a ship company to get the CG license.
I just went to the CG with my DD214 and took the Watertender test.
Watertender is a step up from Wiper, where you'd start if you didn't
have any experience. Maybe a 2-4 year jump. Didn't do anything for
seniority though, so I was on the bottom.
Had to go to a Veterans hospital for a physical too.
That reminds me. A nurse wanted me to **** on demand for a stool
sample. I couldn't do it. You know how some of these nurses are,
like they think they're God. I asked her why I had to ****, and she
said all food handlers have to. I told her I would be operating
boilers, not handling food. In the end, after some heated
"discussion" I told her I wanted talk to her boss. That was to keep
me from strangling her.
So she takes me to the doc, and I explained the situation to him, he
looked at the paperwork and said there's no reason for me to ****.
That damn nurse started arguing with him and he almost fired her
before she backed down! God damn I hate those bureaucrats
who won't use common sense.

--Vic

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:05:20 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:16:44 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:


Vic.........
I forgot to ask. So were you of those unlimited laker guys?
Id think that would have to be a real "who ya know" group to break
into.

Don't know what "unlimited" is. Only did it one summer.
Maybe a month on the Illinois (Standard Oil Whiting IN) and a couple
few week trips on the Rocket (Cleveland Tankers - Ashland Oil Toledo
OH)
Quit more because I liked seeing girls than anything else. Pay was
okay and the chow was REALLY good. But you were hitting ports all
over the lakes with a quick turnaround when tied up. You could pump
in/out in 12-16 hours, and you were back out again. Couldn't even get
a drunk on with that. No way I'd work if not sharp, so it was hard to
even enjoy more than a couple beers. I had enough whoring in the Navy
and never went for bar floozies in the States.
So after coming back from one trip I just got a shore job.
Ended up with a good wife too.
But I think I know what you're talking about with the "who ya know."
I went to a couple halls first. There was a National Maritime Union
hall in Chicago then, beside the Seafarers.
Think the guys told me if I didn't have the Navy experience I would
have to get "sponsored" by a ship company to get the CG license.
I just went to the CG with my DD214 and took the Watertender test.
Watertender is a step up from Wiper, where you'd start if you didn't
have any experience. Maybe a 2-4 year jump. Didn't do anything for
seniority though, so I was on the bottom.
Had to go to a Veterans hospital for a physical too.
That reminds me. A nurse wanted me to **** on demand for a stool
sample. I couldn't do it. You know how some of these nurses are,
like they think they're God. I asked her why I had to ****, and she
said all food handlers have to. I told her I would be operating
boilers, not handling food. In the end, after some heated
"discussion" I told her I wanted talk to her boss. That was to keep
me from strangling her.
So she takes me to the doc, and I explained the situation to him, he
looked at the paperwork and said there's no reason for me to ****.
That damn nurse started arguing with him and he almost fired her
before she backed down! God damn I hate those bureaucrats
who won't use common sense.

--Vic

So don't **** - go cruising ............................
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