KLC Lewis wrote:

As for how much greenhouse effect is "just right," that is entirely
subjective.

I'm sure the dinosaurs were quite happy with the levvels of greenhouse
gasses present during their existence...as were teh whooly mammoths
during theirs. The earth changes. It always has, it always will and the
living beings on the earth either adapt or die. The onl;y difference
between us and the dinasaurs or mammoths is that we possess the hubris
to think we are capable of changing the earth to any but but slight
variances. I'm not saying that we should not be careful and guard what
we do for the preservationof our own species, but the idea that we are
responsible for global climitazation alone? The facts are that this
earth is cyclical and that it is presently entering a new cycle. Yes,
clean up the mess so we don't have to breathe it, eat it, or live in
swill but realize that the warming and cooling of the earth is beyond
our control short of a nuclear war.

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KLC Lewis wrote:

As for how much greenhouse effect is "just right," that is entirely
subjective.

I'm sure the dinosaurs were quite happy with the levvels of greenhouse
gasses present during their existence...as were teh whooly mammoths during
theirs. The earth changes. It always has, it always will and the living
beings on the earth either adapt or die. The onl;y difference between us
and the dinasaurs or mammoths is that we possess the hubris to think we
are capable of changing the earth to any but but slight variances. I'm not
saying that we should not be careful and guard what we do for the
preservationof our own species, but the idea that we are responsible for
global climitazation alone? The facts are that this earth is cyclical and
that it is presently entering a new cycle. Yes, clean up the mess so we
don't have to breathe it, eat it, or live in swill but realize that the
warming and cooling of the earth is beyond our control short of a nuclear
war.

Yup, that's pretty much my feelings on the matter as well. I'm entirely in
favor of converting to "clean" and "green" as much as is economically and
technologically viable, and I'm more than confident that it's a relatively
short matter of time before petroleum is consigned to history. But as you
say, these things are to be done mostly because it's in our own best
interest not to poop in the pool. I'm also confident that if there was a way
that we could extract out own energy directly from the atmosphere with no
need for power companies, power companies would still exist and find a way
to charge us for that power.

"katy" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:

As for how much greenhouse effect is "just right," that is entirely
subjective.

I'm sure the dinosaurs were quite happy with the levvels of greenhouse
gasses present during their existence...as were teh whooly mammoths during
theirs. The earth changes. It always has, it always will and the living
beings on the earth either adapt or die. The onl;y difference between us
and the dinasaurs or mammoths is that we possess the hubris to think we
are capable of changing the earth to any but but slight variances. I'm not
saying that we should not be careful and guard what we do for the
preservationof our own species, but the idea that we are responsible for
global climitazation alone? The facts are that this earth is cyclical and
that it is presently entering a new cycle. Yes, clean up the mess so we
don't have to breathe it, eat it, or live in swill but realize that the
warming and cooling of the earth is beyond our control short of a nuclear
war.


The dinosaurs lasted for 100M years, likely until a catastrophic event wiped
them out over a very short period of time. The changes that are being
discussed have happened over a period of less than 200 years, almost all of
it is due to the industrial revolution. There's no doubt that the earth's
climate varies a lot. There's also no doubt that the recent changes have
been dramatic. If we don't address our own pollution, we won't have to wait
very long.

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www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:

As for how much greenhouse effect is "just right," that is entirely
subjective.
I'm sure the dinosaurs were quite happy with the levvels of greenhouse
gasses present during their existence...as were teh whooly mammoths during
theirs. The earth changes. It always has, it always will and the living
beings on the earth either adapt or die. The onl;y difference between us
and the dinasaurs or mammoths is that we possess the hubris to think we
are capable of changing the earth to any but but slight variances. I'm not
saying that we should not be careful and guard what we do for the
preservationof our own species, but the idea that we are responsible for
global climitazation alone? The facts are that this earth is cyclical and
that it is presently entering a new cycle. Yes, clean up the mess so we
don't have to breathe it, eat it, or live in swill but realize that the
warming and cooling of the earth is beyond our control short of a nuclear
war.


The dinosaurs lasted for 100M years, likely until a catastrophic event wiped
them out over a very short period of time. The changes that are being
discussed have happened over a period of less than 200 years, almost all of
it is due to the industrial revolution. There's no doubt that the earth's
climate varies a lot. There's also no doubt that the recent changes have
been dramatic. If we don't address our own pollution, we won't have to wait
very long.


ANd maybe that's a good thing...

"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:

As for how much greenhouse effect is "just right," that is entirely
subjective.
I'm sure the dinosaurs were quite happy with the levvels of greenhouse
gasses present during their existence...as were teh whooly mammoths
during theirs. The earth changes. It always has, it always will and the
living beings on the earth either adapt or die. The onl;y difference
between us and the dinasaurs or mammoths is that we possess the hubris
to think we are capable of changing the earth to any but but slight
variances. I'm not saying that we should not be careful and guard what
we do for the preservationof our own species, but the idea that we are
responsible for global climitazation alone? The facts are that this
earth is cyclical and that it is presently entering a new cycle. Yes,
clean up the mess so we don't have to breathe it, eat it, or live in
swill but realize that the warming and cooling of the earth is beyond
our control short of a nuclear war.


The dinosaurs lasted for 100M years, likely until a catastrophic event
wiped them out over a very short period of time. The changes that are
being discussed have happened over a period of less than 200 years,
almost all of it is due to the industrial revolution. There's no doubt
that the earth's climate varies a lot. There's also no doubt that the
recent changes have been dramatic. If we don't address our own pollution,
we won't have to wait very long.


ANd maybe that's a good thing...


You have a point, but I don't want to be miserable in the waiting room.


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www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:

As for how much greenhouse effect is "just right," that is entirely
subjective.
I'm sure the dinosaurs were quite happy with the levvels of greenhouse
gasses present during their existence...as were teh whooly mammoths
during theirs. The earth changes. It always has, it always will and the
living beings on the earth either adapt or die. The onl;y difference
between us and the dinasaurs or mammoths is that we possess the hubris
to think we are capable of changing the earth to any but but slight
variances. I'm not saying that we should not be careful and guard what
we do for the preservationof our own species, but the idea that we are
responsible for global climitazation alone? The facts are that this
earth is cyclical and that it is presently entering a new cycle. Yes,
clean up the mess so we don't have to breathe it, eat it, or live in
swill but realize that the warming and cooling of the earth is beyond
our control short of a nuclear war.


The dinosaurs lasted for 100M years, likely until a catastrophic event
wiped them out over a very short period of time. The changes that are
being discussed have happened over a period of less than 200 years,
almost all of it is due to the industrial revolution. There's no doubt
that the earth's climate varies a lot. There's also no doubt that the
recent changes have been dramatic. If we don't address our own pollution,
we won't have to wait very long.


ANd maybe that's a good thing...


I like George Calin's joke about global warming and saving the planet...
something like... the planet will be just fine, but the people won't be
around... pack your bags folks....


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www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:

As for how much greenhouse effect is "just right," that is entirely
subjective.
I'm sure the dinosaurs were quite happy with the levvels of greenhouse
gasses present during their existence...as were teh whooly mammoths
during theirs. The earth changes. It always has, it always will and the
living beings on the earth either adapt or die. The onl;y difference
between us and the dinasaurs or mammoths is that we possess the hubris
to think we are capable of changing the earth to any but but slight
variances. I'm not saying that we should not be careful and guard what
we do for the preservationof our own species, but the idea that we are
responsible for global climitazation alone? The facts are that this
earth is cyclical and that it is presently entering a new cycle. Yes,
clean up the mess so we don't have to breathe it, eat it, or live in
swill but realize that the warming and cooling of the earth is beyond
our control short of a nuclear war.

The dinosaurs lasted for 100M years, likely until a catastrophic event
wiped them out over a very short period of time. The changes that are
being discussed have happened over a period of less than 200 years,
almost all of it is due to the industrial revolution. There's no doubt
that the earth's climate varies a lot. There's also no doubt that the
recent changes have been dramatic. If we don't address our own pollution,
we won't have to wait very long.

ANd maybe that's a good thing...


I like George Calin's joke about global warming and saving the planet...
something like... the planet will be just fine, but the people won't be
around... pack your bags folks....


Don't bother...you can't take it with you...

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On 8 Jan 2009 11:46:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:28:47 -0500, said:

There was a time not so long ago, when the general worldwide consensus
was that you could dump as much garbage in the oceans as you pleased
because it was so vast that it could absorb it without any ill
effects. It now appears they were wrong. Very wrong.

Ya mean the conventional wisdom of the day, the "consensus," sometimes
proves to be wrong? I'm shocked. Shocked. Could never happen to today's
scientific "consensus."

Then there was that whole "Flat Earth" thing when you were a boy.


Ya, and Pluto was a planet five years ago.

KLC Lewis wrote:
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On 8 Jan 2009 11:46:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:28:47 -0500, said:

There was a time not so long ago, when the general worldwide consensus
was that you could dump as much garbage in the oceans as you pleased
because it was so vast that it could absorb it without any ill
effects. It now appears they were wrong. Very wrong.
Ya mean the conventional wisdom of the day, the "consensus," sometimes
proves to be wrong? I'm shocked. Shocked. Could never happen to today's
scientific "consensus."
Then there was that whole "Flat Earth" thing when you were a boy.


Ya, and Pluto was a planet five years ago.


But there really is a Santa Claus....

"katy" wrote in message
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KLC Lewis wrote:
Ya, and Pluto was a planet five years ago.
But there really is a Santa Claus....

Of course there is. He lives in Virginia.