On 9 Jan 2009 09:29:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

Come on, Marty. I know you're more rational than to post such a
non-sequitur. Do you believe those wind farms offer enough profit so as not
to require the taxpayers to shovel tax money at them?

They seem to cost about 2cents/kwhr more than conventional coal
plants. In Iowa they provide 5% of the juice . It cost about a buck a
watt to install it, two mill per tower. If the wind blew all the time
a typical windmill would produce energy at the same rate as a 30
bbl/day oil well. You would need more than twice that much crude to
generate that much juice, of course. Another freeby is the methane
from a landfill. Des Moines gets 6.4 megawatt from eight Caterpillar
engines. That' 1070 hp electrical each.. The shaft work from the
engines would be greater.

Casady

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:17:30 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

??????
Come on, Marty. I know you're more rational than to post such a
non-sequitur. Do you believe those wind farms offer enough profit so as
not
to require the taxpayers to shovel tax money at them?


Do you think we don't subsidize other industries?

Ah, the old game of justifying bad behavior by pointing at other bad
behavior.


So, we do then subsidize other industries, which isn't in keeping with "free
market" ideology. Which ones should we stop subsidizing? How about the US
arms industry? How about agribusiness? The former kills 1000s every year,
while subsidizing wind farms would promote energy production which isn't
soley dependent upon foreign oil.

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:18:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

AIG Adopts Policy on Climate Change

And we all know how good AIG is at making economic decisions. g


So because they made bad decisions in one segment of their business,
that's
supposed to mean that they're incompetent in others?

It certainly doesn't support the opposite conclusion.


You made the claim that AIG shouldn't be trusted with their actuarial
decisions because they embraced credit default swaps? That's just dumb.

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:56:02 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

Ah, the old game of justifying bad behavior by pointing at other bad
behavior.


So, we do then subsidize other industries, which isn't in keeping with
"free
market" ideology. Which ones should we stop subsidizing? How about the US
arms industry? How about agribusiness? The former kills 1000s every year,
while subsidizing wind farms would promote energy production which isn't
soley dependent upon foreign oil.

And you simply continue to repeat the same fallacious line of argument.

However, I'm still interested in whether Marty thinks wind farms would be
profitable absent subsidies.


Which fallacious line is that? That we don't subsidize other, much larger
industries that do a lot more human and economic damage? Sorry if the facts
get in the way of your ideology.

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:13 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

You made the claim that AIG shouldn't be trusted with their actuarial
decisions because they embraced credit default swaps? That's just dumb.

Better go back and read the original post again, Jon. It isn't talking
about
actuarial decisions.

How many of the actuarial exams have you passed?


It's talking about all of AIGs supposed "bad decisions." You're basing your
condemnation of AIG on false data and supposition.

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On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:12:30 -0500, said:

There are billions of people in the world, and yet, none of
them have grub staked YOU with billions to work with. Why is that,
Dave?

Dunno. Maybe you could tell us how you managed to get grub staked with
billions.
There is only one billionaire that posts to this group and its neither of
you.

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:18:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:52:42 -0500, hpeer said:

AIG Adopts Policy on Climate Change

And we all know how good AIG is at making economic decisions. g


So because they made bad decisions in one segment of their business,
that's
supposed to mean that they're incompetent in others?

Pop quiz: In the past 20 years, who made more money, AIG or Dave and
Karen?


If AIG had actually made money, it wouldn't have needed bailing out by the
Federal Gummit. Here's someone else who actually did make a bundle: Bernie
Madoff. Yup, he made so much more money than me that we're not even in the
same financial galaxy. On the other hand, I can look at myself in the
mirror, even if I end up asking people if they want to supersize their
order.

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:14:34 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:18:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:52:42 -0500, hpeer said:

AIG Adopts Policy on Climate Change

And we all know how good AIG is at making economic decisions. g


So because they made bad decisions in one segment of their business,
that's
supposed to mean that they're incompetent in others?

Pop quiz: In the past 20 years, who made more money, AIG or Dave and
Karen?


If AIG had actually made money, it wouldn't have needed bailing out by the
Federal Gummit. Here's someone else who actually did make a bundle: Bernie
Madoff. Yup, he made so much more money than me that we're not even in the
same financial galaxy. On the other hand, I can look at myself in the
mirror, even if I end up asking people if they want to supersize their
order.



Getting a bailout is just their latest way of making money,
sweetheart.

No thanks on the supersize. I don't eat that crap.

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:18:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:52:42 -0500, hpeer said:

AIG Adopts Policy on Climate Change

And we all know how good AIG is at making economic decisions. g


So because they made bad decisions in one segment of their business,
that's
supposed to mean that they're incompetent in others?

Pop quiz: In the past 20 years, who made more money, AIG or Dave and
Karen?


If AIG had actually made money, it wouldn't have needed bailing out by the
Federal Gummit. Here's someone else who actually did make a bundle: Bernie
Madoff. Yup, he made so much more money than me that we're not even in the
same financial galaxy. On the other hand, I can look at myself in the
mirror, even if I end up asking people if they want to supersize their
order.


You must know Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy?

He's a fry cook at Mickey D's. Had to go begging for his job back after his
coffee import trip sunk after he prematurely abandoned ship.

Now he has dreams of supersizing a boat to carry and sink an entire
container of coffee.

Too bad he doesn't work on his paucity of sailing know-how instead.


Wilbur Hubbard

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:18:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:52:42 -0500, hpeer said:

AIG Adopts Policy on Climate Change

And we all know how good AIG is at making economic decisions. g


So because they made bad decisions in one segment of their business,
that's
supposed to mean that they're incompetent in others?

Pop quiz: In the past 20 years, who made more money, AIG or Dave and
Karen?


If AIG had actually made money, it wouldn't have needed bailing out by
the Federal Gummit. Here's someone else who actually did make a bundle:
Bernie Madoff. Yup, he made so much more money than me that we're not
even in the same financial galaxy. On the other hand, I can look at
myself in the mirror, even if I end up asking people if they want to
supersize their order.


You must know Joe of "Red Cloud" infamy?

He's a fry cook at Mickey D's. Had to go begging for his job back after
his coffee import trip sunk after he prematurely abandoned ship.

Now he has dreams of supersizing a boat to carry and sink an entire
container of coffee.

Too bad he doesn't work on his paucity of sailing know-how instead.


Wilbur Hubbard


My first job, while in High School, was working at Burger King. I'm not back
to that level yet, but the way things are going, "One never knows, do one?"