On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:08:48 -0600, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:12:22 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


Are they innocent? they elected Hamus an openly terrorist organization
who advocate the forcible eradication of Israel.

Is that really innocent?
Cheers,

The children did that?

Nope, the voters did that but as the "children" throw stones at
Israeli soldiers and otherwise do their best to incite the situation
how innocent can one consider them?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:08:48 -0600, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:12:22 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


Are they innocent? they elected Hamus an openly terrorist organization
who advocate the forcible eradication of Israel.

Is that really innocent?
Cheers,

The children did that?

Nope, the voters did that but as the "children" throw stones at
Israeli soldiers and otherwise do their best to incite the situation
how innocent can one consider them?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I consider the children mostly innocent. They do what most children do...
follow their role models' lead. I understand why the adults voted in Hamas;
Israel should have, could have, and should do more for the cause of peace,
but that does not excuse the indescriminate firing of rockets and the calls
for the descruction of Israel by the Hamas leadership. Both need to end.


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:44:17 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:08:48 -0600, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:12:22 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


Are they innocent? they elected Hamus an openly terrorist organization
who advocate the forcible eradication of Israel.

Is that really innocent?
Cheers,

The children did that?

Nope, the voters did that but as the "children" throw stones at
Israeli soldiers and otherwise do their best to incite the situation
how innocent can one consider them?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I consider the children mostly innocent. They do what most children do...
follow their role models' lead. I understand why the adults voted in Hamas;
Israel should have, could have, and should do more for the cause of peace,
but that does not excuse the indescriminate firing of rockets and the calls
for the descruction of Israel by the Hamas leadership. Both need to end.

I wonder whether you would find the "child" who carried a bomb into
the restaurant where it exploded killing your wife/child/loved one so
innocent as you feel at the moment sitting safely at home watching the
T.V.

As far as the "cause of peace" it is somewhat difficult to have a
peace with folks who hate you, who's religion (and don't think that
the Palestinians aren't true believers) teaches them that outsiders,
infidels, have no rights and should be eradicated if they don't
convert.

To get an impression of Islamic beliefs understand that it is 1430 in
the Islamic calendar. Review Christian history for the mid 1400's A.D.
and it will give you a fairly accurate picture.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
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As far as the "cause of peace" it is somewhat difficult to have a
peace with folks who hate you, who's religion (and don't think that
the Palestinians aren't true believers) teaches them that outsiders,
infidels, have no rights and should be eradicated if they don't
convert.



It's not just Islam, it's ALL OF THEM! Every relgion on the planet has a
long history of genocide, proving beyond any shadow of a doubt there is no
"god" and certainly no "saviour" who's gonna swoop down and save...er,
ah....which group of religious murderers??

This superstitious phenomenon of the upper life forms may be the reason
life cycles through a few million years then suddenly commits suicide for
no apparent reason. There may a limit to how much "intelligence" life can
withstand before that "intelligence" becomes its own death sentence,
committing itself to self-destruction through the very death machines that
big brain has superstitiously invented to terminate its species.

5,500+ humans die each day over religion. How utterly stupid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGpO1lQrLY

"Larry" wrote in message
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

As far as the "cause of peace" it is somewhat difficult to have a
peace with folks who hate you, who's religion (and don't think that
the Palestinians aren't true believers) teaches them that outsiders,
infidels, have no rights and should be eradicated if they don't
convert.



It's not just Islam, it's ALL OF THEM! Every relgion on the planet has a
long history of genocide, proving beyond any shadow of a doubt there is no
"god" and certainly no "saviour" who's gonna swoop down and save...er,
ah....which group of religious murderers??

This superstitious phenomenon of the upper life forms may be the reason
life cycles through a few million years then suddenly commits suicide for
no apparent reason. There may a limit to how much "intelligence" life can
withstand before that "intelligence" becomes its own death sentence,
committing itself to self-destruction through the very death machines that
big brain has superstitiously invented to terminate its species.

5,500+ humans die each day over religion. How utterly stupid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGpO1lQrLY



While not perfect, Buddhism does a decent job at restraint...

"As the Buddha states in the Brahma Net Sutra: "If a child of Buddha himself
kills, or goads someone else to kill, or provides with or suggests means for
killing, or praises the act of killing or, on seeing someone commit the act,
expresses approval for what that person has done, or kills by way of
incantations, or is the cause, occasion, means, or instrument of the act of
inducing a death, he will be shut out of the community."


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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:59:29 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
.. .
Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

As far as the "cause of peace" it is somewhat difficult to have a
peace with folks who hate you, who's religion (and don't think that
the Palestinians aren't true believers) teaches them that outsiders,
infidels, have no rights and should be eradicated if they don't
convert.



It's not just Islam, it's ALL OF THEM! Every relgion on the planet has a
long history of genocide, proving beyond any shadow of a doubt there is no
"god" and certainly no "saviour" who's gonna swoop down and save...er,
ah....which group of religious murderers??

This superstitious phenomenon of the upper life forms may be the reason
life cycles through a few million years then suddenly commits suicide for
no apparent reason. There may a limit to how much "intelligence" life can
withstand before that "intelligence" becomes its own death sentence,
committing itself to self-destruction through the very death machines that
big brain has superstitiously invented to terminate its species.

5,500+ humans die each day over religion. How utterly stupid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGpO1lQrLY



While not perfect, Buddhism does a decent job at restraint...

"As the Buddha states in the Brahma Net Sutra: "If a child of Buddha himself
kills, or goads someone else to kill, or provides with or suggests means for
killing, or praises the act of killing or, on seeing someone commit the act,
expresses approval for what that person has done, or kills by way of
incantations, or is the cause, occasion, means, or instrument of the act of
inducing a death, he will be shut out of the community."


True that the Buddha taught that life is pain and one must look inward
for the answers but some of his adherents seem to interpret the
teachings to mean one should fight against evil doers in the secular
world. Witness the Monks in Vietnam and Siri Lanka who are/were
extremely active politically as well as the Monks in Burma who
recently protested the military government's actions.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:31:54 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
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As far as the "cause of peace" it is somewhat difficult to have a
peace with folks who hate you, who's religion (and don't think that
the Palestinians aren't true believers) teaches them that outsiders,
infidels, have no rights and should be eradicated if they don't
convert.



It's not just Islam, it's ALL OF THEM! Every relgion on the planet has a
long history of genocide, proving beyond any shadow of a doubt there is no
"god" and certainly no "saviour" who's gonna swoop down and save...er,
ah....which group of religious murderers??

This superstitious phenomenon of the upper life forms may be the reason
life cycles through a few million years then suddenly commits suicide for
no apparent reason. There may a limit to how much "intelligence" life can
withstand before that "intelligence" becomes its own death sentence,
committing itself to self-destruction through the very death machines that
big brain has superstitiously invented to terminate its species.

5,500+ humans die each day over religion. How utterly stupid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGpO1lQrLY


Of course there is a God.

The Jewish God told Moses that Palestine was the Jewish home land and
it was O.K. to rape and riot among the indigenous people. Allah told
Muhammad to take up arms against all non-believers. The Gods on
Olympus looked with favor on the troops attacking Troy. The Christian
God certainly has favored some dramatic activities and even today I
have the idea that Bush probably believes that he is doing "God's
Work" in the middle east.

God is, as they say, on the side of the big battalions.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
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Of course there is a God.


Bruce, have you watched Zeitgeist and the new Zeitgeist Addendum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs


Of course, you'll need the annotated transcript with full disclosure and
research to back up what the movie is telling you:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm

Religion seems to have stopped, at least momentarily, trying to have the
movie erased from the net. It's not very good for business, I suppose.

Especially religious people need to watch this movie, carefully and with
what's left of their minds, follow up the additional information and
pointers in the transcript, then do something they probably have never done
before.....think for themselves at what's being done to them.

........before humanity has the "final solution" where we all kill ourselves
in the name of religion.....

"Larry" wrote in message
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
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Of course there is a God.


Bruce, have you watched Zeitgeist and the new Zeitgeist Addendum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs


Of course, you'll need the annotated transcript with full disclosure and
research to back up what the movie is telling you:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm

Religion seems to have stopped, at least momentarily, trying to have the
movie erased from the net. It's not very good for business, I suppose.

Especially religious people need to watch this movie, carefully and with
what's left of their minds, follow up the additional information and
pointers in the transcript, then do something they probably have never
done
before.....think for themselves at what's being done to them.

.......before humanity has the "final solution" where we all kill
ourselves
in the name of religion.....



According to you, apparently, the "final solution" was an incomplete 1940s
action plan.

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Larry wrote:
Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
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Of course there is a God.


Bruce, have you watched Zeitgeist and the new Zeitgeist Addendum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs


Zietgeist and zietgeist II are about a lot more than just religion.
And the religion thing has gone on for centuries and will go on for many
centuries more.
As for the rest of zietgeist, IMHO, 10% truth, 90% distortion,
hypocrisies, half truths, and plain crap!
IMHO
Gordon