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Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. A 30' cruising sailboat
is right in front of you. She is in good shape, but very plain. She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor, ... just a whole bunch of stuff. But:: she is solid, clean, she has been surveyed recently and there is no wet deck or hull .. the engine runs good .. You say "how much" and the seller says "I want her gone" and you say xxx and he says "she is yours".. Remember;; this isn't happening just yet,, could happen in two weeks though.. -- What would you attend to first. She does not need paint or cosmetic fixings.. Bow roller? Then furling? And if you do this? What do you do with the fore sail? Jib/genoa.. does the sail need all kinds of fixing? Any other ideas? What about rigging? Would you change if the survey said it was ok? Would you add anything special? What about bimini, or dodger? Just wondering .. is all .. |
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
... Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. A 30' cruising sailboat is right in front of you. She is in good shape, but very plain. She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor, .. just a whole bunch of stuff. But:: she is solid, clean, she has been surveyed recently and there is no wet deck or hull .. the engine runs good .. You say "how much" and the seller says "I want her gone" and you say xxx and he says "she is yours".. Remember;; this isn't happening just yet,, could happen in two weeks though.. -- What would you attend to first. She does not need paint or cosmetic fixings.. Bow roller? Then furling? And if you do this? What do you do with the fore sail? Jib/genoa.. does the sail need all kinds of fixing? Any other ideas? What about rigging? Would you change if the survey said it was ok? Would you add anything special? What about bimini, or dodger? Just wondering .. is all .. I would make a few day sails or do a weekend to check it all out and if everything is as good as it seems, then load up with groceries and head for somewhere warm. Leanne |
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Leanne wrote:
"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. A 30' cruising sailboat is right in front of you. She is in good shape, but very plain. She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor, .. just a whole bunch of stuff. But:: she is solid, clean, she has been surveyed recently and there is no wet deck or hull .. the engine runs good .. You say "how much" and the seller says "I want her gone" and you say xxx and he says "she is yours".. Remember;; this isn't happening just yet,, could happen in two weeks though.. -- What would you attend to first. She does not need paint or cosmetic fixings.. Bow roller? Then furling? And if you do this? What do you do with the fore sail? Jib/genoa.. does the sail need all kinds of fixing? Any other ideas? What about rigging? Would you change if the survey said it was ok? Would you add anything special? What about bimini, or dodger? Just wondering .. is all .. I would make a few day sails or do a weekend to check it all out and if everything is as good as it seems, then load up with groceries and head for somewhere warm. Leanne We had a cold front blow in this afternoon - temps down in the high 20's. I'll volunteer to go with you to the someplace warm place... Richard |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:13:55 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote: Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. A 30' cruising sailboat is right in front of you. She is in good shape, but very plain. She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor, .. just a whole bunch of stuff. But:: she is solid, clean, she has been surveyed recently and there is no wet deck or hull .. the engine runs good .. You say "how much" and the seller says "I want her gone" and you say xxx and he says "she is yours".. Remember;; this isn't happening just yet,, could happen in two weeks though.. I would not do anything expensive until I had sailed the boat a bit - enough to determine that it suited my intended use. A bow roller does make retrieving the anchor easier, but should not be essential on a 30 ft boat. If the sails are questionable, I would take them to a sailmaker for evaluation, rather than immediately ordering new sails. Ensure that the boat meets legal requirements - here in Canada, we need a PFD or lifejacket of appropriate size for each person on board, and anchor and 50 ft of rode, distress flares, and some other items - I expect the USCG has similar requirements. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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On Dec 9, 7:13*pm, "Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. *A 30' cruising sailboat is right in front of you. *She is in good shape, but very plain. She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor, .. just a whole bunch of stuff. But:: she is solid, clean, she has been surveyed recently and there is no wet deck or hull .. *the engine runs good .. You say "how much" and the seller says "I want her gone" and you say xxx and he says "she is yours".. Remember;; this isn't happening just yet,, could happen in two weeks though.. -- What would you attend to first. She does not need paint or cosmetic fixings.. Bow roller? *Then furling? And if you do this? *What do you do with the fore sail? *Jib/genoa.. does the sail need all kinds of fixing? Any other ideas? What about rigging? *Would you change if the survey said it was ok? *Would you add anything special? What about bimini, or dodger? Just wondering .. is all .. bow roller. the furling roller is a conveniance. get the basics done then worry about the add on's. lines, rigging, sails, engine, then the rest of the stuff |
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Two meter troll wrote:
On Dec 9, 7:13 pm, "Janet O'Leary" wrote: Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. A 30' cruising sailboat is right in front of you. She is in good shape, but very plain. She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor, .. just a whole bunch of stuff. But:: she is solid, clean, she has been surveyed recently and there is no wet deck or hull .. the engine runs good .. You say "how much" and the seller says "I want her gone" and you say xxx and he says "she is yours".. Remember;; this isn't happening just yet,, could happen in two weeks though.. -- What would you attend to first. She does not need paint or cosmetic fixings.. Bow roller? Then furling? And if you do this? What do you do with the fore sail? Jib/genoa.. does the sail need all kinds of fixing? Any other ideas? What about rigging? Would you change if the survey said it was ok? Would you add anything special? What about bimini, or dodger? Just wondering .. is all .. bow roller. the furling roller is a conveniance. get the basics done then worry about the add on's. lines, rigging, sails, engine, then the rest of the stuff If there is a good samson post and a decent fairlead for the chain, a bow roller on a sub 30' yacht is a luxury that wont make recovering the anchor significantly easier without a windlass. She wouldn't be in good shape cosmetically if she'd been neglected unless tarted up for a quick sale and the recent survey should exclude that (unless the surveyor was the owner's brother in law) so nothing else needs doing unless mentioned on the survey. If the OP posts the list of defects on the survey, we'll tell them to walk or run and in which direction :-) The OP is asking here so obviously doesn't have enough experiance to plan modifications for improved performance and comfort while the boat's still on the hard so I'd say sort out survey issues, bring equipment and safety gear up to minimum legal standards, slap on some antifouling, splash her and sail her. By the end of next season the OP should know what works well and what needs upgrading or if the boat is going to be put back on the market priced for a quick sale. |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:13:55 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote: What would you attend to first. She does not need paint or cosmetic fixings.. Bow roller? Then furling? A 30 footer can get by without a bow roller although it would be nice to have. They are relatively inexpensive in any case. I would definitely get a good quality roller furler like a Harken and get it professionally installed. Don't listen to the Ludites among us. And if you do this? What do you do with the fore sail? Jib/genoa.. does the sail need all kinds of fixing? If you have a large (150+ %) genoa in good condition it can be adapted to the roller furler by a sailmaker, otherwise get a new one, likewise with the working jib (approx 100% of the foretriangle). A cruising spinnaker would also be high up on my list. Any other ideas? Get a professional opinion on the condition of the mainsail, replace if advisable, add reef points and a slab reefing system if not currently installed. What about rigging? Would you change if the survey said it was ok? No. Wouldyou add anything special? You need a good quality VHF radio with mast top antenna, a depth sounder and a GPS/chart plotter. Carry a battery operated GPS for backup and in the dinghy. You also need a good anchor, as heavy as you can manage, of a type suitable for your local conditions, with at least 15 ft of chain. An autopilot of some sort (tiller pilot/wheel pilot) is *extremely* useful for short handed sailing. A handheld VHF can be useful in some situations and can serve as a backup, also a small power inverter for recharging gadgets and running a laptop. For anything more than weekending you will want to consider a refrigeration system, extra batteries and a heavy duty alternator/charging system. Some sort of hot water shower system is very desirable. For extended cruising you need solar panels and a wind generator. For going offshore you need a liferaft, safety harnesses, EPIRB, SSB radio, etc. What about bimini, or dodger? A dodger is nice if you get a lot of rain or sail in a cool climate. In a hot, sunny climate you will also want a bimini. |
Adding bow roller and other thoughts
"Leanne" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. A 30' cruising sailboat is right in front of you. She is in good shape, but very plain. She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor, .. just a whole bunch of stuff. But:: she is solid, clean, she has been surveyed recently and there is no wet deck or hull .. the engine runs good .. You say "how much" and the seller says "I want her gone" and you say xxx and he says "she is yours".. Remember;; this isn't happening just yet,, could happen in two weeks though.. -- What would you attend to first. She does not need paint or cosmetic fixings.. Bow roller? Then furling? And if you do this? What do you do with the fore sail? Jib/genoa.. does the sail need all kinds of fixing? Any other ideas? What about rigging? Would you change if the survey said it was ok? Would you add anything special? What about bimini, or dodger? Just wondering .. is all .. I would make a few day sails or do a weekend to check it all out and if everything is as good as it seems, then load up with groceries and head for somewhere warm. Leanne The boat is somewhere warm.. but I like your syle.. |
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... snip You say "how much" and the seller says "I want her gone" and you say xxx and he says "she is yours".. Remember;; this isn't happening just yet,, could happen in two weeks though.. snip This reply is in the "other thoughts" category. The scenario above puts you, the buyer, at a disadvantage. Here is a lesson in haggling. Asking "How much?" is a good start. But, then you let the seller put you immediately at a disadvantage. When he said, "I want her gone," you should say something like, "How badly do you want her gone, what's your price?" Then keep after him until he names a price. Then act a little shocked even if the price is very low. Then make him a very low counter offer. Then await his reply. Chances are he'll try to up at least half way. It is your job to hem and haw and stand pat and make him come down to your level or close to it. In other words always position yourself to be the one to set the price. But, don't criticize the boat. Praise it instead. Don't say how you are going to have to spend a lot of money upgrading it. Say things like, "She's a real beauty, I really love your boat, she's just what I'm looking for but I just can't afford any more than that for her. Oh, is there any chances you could give me a couple sailing lessons on her as part of the deal?" Being a woman you can use your feminine wiles to cast a spell over him. Make him want to make you happy. The better looking you are the better this will work. I'm sure you know how to flirt. The way you described it the offer you gave might well be more than what he was planning to get for it. Of course he would jump right on it and then it's too late to haggle. Get it, honey? Good luck. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:32 -0600, Richard
wrote: wrote: If there is a good samson post and a decent fairlead for the chain, a bow roller on a sub 30' yacht is a luxury that wont make recovering the anchor significantly easier without a windlass. Baloney. My very petite wife could not get the anchor up without the bow roller. With it, she manages quite well, even when we need to make more than one attempt to get a good set. Bow rollers are relatively inexpensive and make a substantial difference. True enough. But mounting one solidly is not a job for a newbie. That is quite another subject. |
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On Dec 10, 4:28 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:32 -0600, Richard wrote: wrote: If there is a good samson post and a decent fairlead for the chain, a bow roller on a sub 30' yacht is a luxury that wont make recovering the anchor significantly easier without a windlass. Baloney. My very petite wife could not get the anchor up without the bow roller. With it, she manages quite well, even when we need to make more than one attempt to get a good set. Bow rollers are relatively inexpensive and make a substantial difference. True enough. But mounting one solidly is not a job for a newbie. That is quite another subject. In a warm climate, a bimini is an absolute must. This is not a matter of convenience, it is actual safety equipment to prevent you from getting melanoma. I put an anchor roller on my 28' boat and rarely use it, not necessary. Roller furling is really nice but sail her a lot before you do. Then buy a CDI furler and install it yourself. Best thing to buy is a set of the auto-inflate lifejackets, a strobe for each and an EPIRB that attaches to one of them. Nobody will tend to wear a regular life jacket in any heat whereas they will wear the auto-inflate ones. Be sure you get ones with a built in harness to attach to jacklines. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Dec 10, 4:28 pm, wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:32 -0600, Richard wrote: wrote: If there is a good samson post and a decent fairlead for the chain, a bow roller on a sub 30' yacht is a luxury that wont make recovering the anchor significantly easier without a windlass. Baloney. My very petite wife could not get the anchor up without the bow roller. With it, she manages quite well, even when we need to make more than one attempt to get a good set. Bow rollers are relatively inexpensive and make a substantial difference. True enough. But mounting one solidly is not a job for a newbie. That is quite another subject. snipped. I put an anchor roller on my 28' boat and rarely use it, not necessary. snipped A 28/30' yacht needs an anchor of at least 25 lb if you are going to use it for other than a 'lunch hook'. Then you need at least several feet of chain to ensure the rode comes into the anchor as near horizontally as possible. Of course you need an anchor roller to get that up without rubbing over the gunwale of your boat especially with the chain. Are you going to lean over the side and try and pull it up hand over hand without rubbing the side of the boat with rope or chain? And how will you break out an anchor that has really dug in deep? Of course you need an anchor roller on boats that size and even smaller. You never know when you are going to need your anchor really badly and it is essential to have a proper setup. |
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"Edgar" wrote in message
... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Dec 10, 4:28 pm, wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:32 -0600, Richard wrote: wrote: If there is a good samson post and a decent fairlead for the chain, a bow roller on a sub 30' yacht is a luxury that wont make recovering the anchor significantly easier without a windlass. Baloney. My very petite wife could not get the anchor up without the bow roller. With it, she manages quite well, even when we need to make more than one attempt to get a good set. Bow rollers are relatively inexpensive and make a substantial difference. True enough. But mounting one solidly is not a job for a newbie. That is quite another subject. snipped. I put an anchor roller on my 28' boat and rarely use it, not necessary. snipped A 28/30' yacht needs an anchor of at least 25 lb if you are going to use it for other than a 'lunch hook'. Then you need at least several feet of chain to ensure the rode comes into the anchor as near horizontally as possible. Of course you need an anchor roller to get that up without rubbing over the gunwale of your boat especially with the chain. Are you going to lean over the side and try and pull it up hand over hand without rubbing the side of the boat with rope or chain? And how will you break out an anchor that has really dug in deep? Of course you need an anchor roller on boats that size and even smaller. You never know when you are going to need your anchor really badly and it is essential to have a proper setup. Need and damn good idea is quite a different kettle of fish. I think you can do all of the above without a roller, but why would you want to... You could transfer the rode to the stern to upend the flukes as you pull forward with more rode let out... not that I've tried it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Before making any statements I'll be nice to know the boat type, its electric system and what have you been using for anchor so far. Denis M |
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"Denis M" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Before making any statements I'll be nice to know the boat type, its electric system and what have you been using for anchor so far. Denis M It's sort of like asking how long it takes to get from NY to London. Depends on the mode of travel. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:40:12 -0600, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote: Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? The amount of work is going to vary a great deal depending on the boat and exactly what equipment you decide on. If you want the windlass to self-retrieve the anchor without risk of damage to the boat, you will probably need to mount the roller on some sort of bow pulpit or extension. That can entail some considerable bracing to get it strong enough depending on your boat, anchor and bow configuration. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:40:12 -0600, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? The amount of work is going to vary a great deal depending on the boat and exactly what equipment you decide on. If you want the windlass to self-retrieve the anchor without risk of damage to the boat, you will probably need to mount the roller on some sort of bow pulpit or extension. That can entail some considerable bracing to get it strong enough depending on your boat, anchor and bow configuration. The best thing is to have it done by the boat builder. That what I did. It cost around $2500 without a wireless remote control. The cost on a pre-owned boat is anyone's guess. If you do it yourself you may, with luck, get away with approx. $2500 - $3500? What my friend did is to install a manual windlass for a fraction of the cost. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? |
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"Edgar" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? Never. Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Never. Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Thank you, Mr. President. :-D |
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wrote in message ... "jlrogers±³©" wrote: Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? There is zero point in installing a manual windlass IMHO. It's just as heavy, just as big a line-snagger & toe-breaker, and will be slow & awkward getting the anchor aboard. It's better than nothing, but just barely. An electric windlass worth getting is going to be $2K plus, so you can figure boat yard installation will be in the neighborhood of 2X and up. I put a windlass in by myself, it's not difficult. Fresh Breezes- Doug King Agreed, especially since a 38' boat may carry a 45# CQR plus a good deal of chain. If there is already a manual windlass installed on an older boat, and it's been used and maintained, replacing it with an electric windlass would be an option/judgment call. But with none onboard already, electric would definitely be the way to go. |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:54:29 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: with none onboard already, electric would definitely be the way to go. The ideal solution is electric with a provision for manual backup. Unfortunately windlasses do fail from time to time just like any other piece of electro-mechanical equipment. It is important to have some alternative for getting the anchor up if necessary, especially important if you have a heavy anchor with an all chain rode. On a 50 footer with a properly sized anchor and all chain rode it is virtually impossible to bring up the ground tackle by hand. I carry a come-along rated at 3,000 lbs for that kind of emergency: http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/upl...able_large.jpg They are readily available at Lowes and Home Depot for reasonable prices. |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:09:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:54:29 -0600, "KLC Lewis" wrote: with none onboard already, electric would definitely be the way to go. The ideal solution is electric with a provision for manual backup. Unfortunately windlasses do fail from time to time just like any other piece of electro-mechanical equipment. It is important to have some alternative for getting the anchor up if necessary, especially important if you have a heavy anchor with an all chain rode. On a 50 footer with a properly sized anchor and all chain rode it is virtually impossible to bring up the ground tackle by hand. I carry a come-along rated at 3,000 lbs for that kind of emergency: http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/upl...able_large.jpg They are readily available at Lowes and Home Depot for reasonable prices. Though the come-along shown might be good, be careful about quality. Cheapos are prone to breaking/bending, especially the handles. I'd prefer an "industrial" version. A 40-80 year old heavy sucker found at a flea market or garage sale might be the ticket. --Vic |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:27:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: The ideal solution is electric with a provision for manual backup. Unfortunately windlasses do fail from time to time just like any other piece of electro-mechanical equipment. It is important to have some alternative for getting the anchor up if necessary, especially important if you have a heavy anchor with an all chain rode. On a 50 footer with a properly sized anchor and all chain rode it is virtually impossible to bring up the ground tackle by hand. I carry a come-along rated at 3,000 lbs for that kind of emergency: http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/upl...able_large.jpg They are readily available at Lowes and Home Depot for reasonable prices. Though the come-along shown might be good, be careful about quality. Cheapos are prone to breaking/bending, especially the handles. I'd prefer an "industrial" version. A 40-80 year old heavy sucker found at a flea market or garage sale might be the ticket. I'm sure you are right for heavy duty usage, but for my purposes the cheapo gets used so infrequently that it will probably last forever. |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Never. Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Thank you, Mr. President. :-D Ha ha, good one, Karin. But . . . "President no more! Haven't you heard? Gaynze got fired... Got his wittle butt kicked right out the door. http://www.sailsea.org/ Be sure to read the whole thing, (it's a riot) be sure to expand (open button) the letters towards the bottom and read them too. Once a netkop always a netkop. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Never. Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Thank you, Mr. President. :-D Ha ha, good one, Karin. But . . . "President no more! Haven't you heard? Gaynze got fired... Got his wittle butt kicked right out the door. http://www.sailsea.org/ Be sure to read the whole thing, (it's a riot) be sure to expand (open button) the letters towards the bottom and read them too. Once a netkop always a netkop. Wilbur Hubbard Did you see the other recent discussions about the same thing? Somebody else stoled your thunder. Cheers, Gwen Ives |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Never. Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Thank you, Mr. President. :-D Har.. I was thinking a combination of Bush and The Who. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Never. Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Thank you, Mr. President. :-D Har.. I was thinking a combination of Bush and The Who. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Maybe you oughta be thinking about libel lawsuits that are surely heading your way. I don't think Sailsea.org is going to do nothing about your public defamation of them as an organisation. -- Gregory Hall |
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"Edgar" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither. |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
... This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither. I guess that's true. You have to wonder though... it is difficult, if not extremely difficult to haul up an anchor without a windless, especially without a windlass. I wonder what that says about the rest of the boat... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither. Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who never anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they carry a light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for a 38' boat.. But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38' sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get insurance. But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave 'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply to 'her' first post. But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make and type so that we can home in on some specific points?. I am out of this one therefore. 'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am concerned.. |
Adding bow roller and other thoughts
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... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:48:06 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message . .. This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither. I guess that's true. You have to wonder though... it is difficult, if not extremely difficult to haul up an anchor without a windless, especially without a windlass. I wonder what that says about the rest of the boat... The demographic of typical sailors has changed over the decades. The average cruising type sailors tend to be older on average than they were 20 or 30 years ago. New boats reflect that in how they are equipped. You can keep sailing to a much older age if you have the right equipment on board. That's why things such as furling mainsails have become so common now. I agree of course. I was thinking that if the boat hasn't been upgraded in 20-30 years, then the owner hasn't used her much, maybe because she has other problems that aren't so obvious. One really needs good ground tackle for decent cruising and even for weekend cruising, not to mention for safety. All it take is one small engine problem and looming rocks... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Adding bow roller and other thoughts
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... Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who never anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they carry a light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for a 38' boat.. But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38' sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get insurance. But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave 'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply to 'her' first post. But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make and type so that we can home in on some specific points?. I am out of this one therefore. 'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am concerned.. Almost certainly a troll, but an interesting subject nonetheless. Tackle is important and good tackle and systems are essential. I mostly day-sail, with a few overnights on the hook, since I mostly teach on my boat during the summer months. If I'm not teaching, I don't tend to be gone for more than the weekend or a three-day. If I go offshore on her, I'm either sailing or going to a specific place rather than coast hop (not many places to do this safely on the left coast). I have a primary, which is a small Bruce (no windlass on my 30-footer, but I do have a roller on the teak sprit). I have a small Danforth in the stern laz as a backup. If I'm just bouncing around on the bay, then I typically stow the Bruce. If I'm teaching anything more than the basic stuff, then I leave it on the roller, tied off, but still pretty quickly deployable. The Danforth is also pretty easy to get going, but I've never had to do so. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Adding bow roller and other thoughts
"Edgar" wrote in message ... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither. Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who never anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they carry a light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for a 38' boat.. But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38' sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get insurance. But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave 'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply to 'her' first post. But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make and type so that we can home in on some specific points?. I am out of this one therefore. 'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am concerned.. Who are you talking about? I started this thread because I have found that the majority of boats for sale, in the 32 to 38 range, 1977 to 1985 do not have a windless. many do not have bow rollers. It appears there are few "cruisers" for sail (sic) that are equipped for cruising. Most seem to have spent their lives tied up in marinas. |
Adding bow roller and other thoughts
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither. Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who never anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they carry a light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for a 38' boat.. But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38' sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get insurance. But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave 'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply to 'her' first post. But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make and type so that we can home in on some specific points?. I am out of this one therefore. 'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am concerned.. Who are you talking about? I started this thread because I have found that the majority of boats for sale, in the 32 to 38 range, 1977 to 1985 do not have a windless. many do not have bow rollers. It appears there are few "cruisers" for sail (sic) that are equipped for cruising. Most seem to have spent their lives tied up in marinas. I thought Janet O'Leary started this thread. He he! YOU are the O'Leary sock puppet, then. Busted! Wilbur Hubbard |
Adding bow roller and other thoughts
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ? This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a bow roller? In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither. Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who never anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they carry a light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for a 38' boat.. But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38' sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get insurance. But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave 'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply to 'her' first post. But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make and type so that we can home in on some specific points?. I am out of this one therefore. 'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am concerned.. Who are you talking about? I started this thread because I have found that the majority of boats for sale, in the 32 to 38 range, 1977 to 1985 do not have a windless. many do not have bow rollers. It appears there are few "cruisers" for sail (sic) that are equipped for cruising. Most seem to have spent their lives tied up in marinas. I thought Janet O'Leary started this thread. He he! YOU are the O'Leary sock puppet, then. Busted! Wilbur Hubbard I don't have a clue who Janet O'Leary is? I meant I'm the one who asked the question: Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? |
Adding bow roller and other thoughts
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:28:14 -0600, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote: "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? .... Who are you talking about? I started this thread because I have found that the majority of boats for sale, in the 32 to 38 range, 1977 to 1985 do not have a windless. ... I thought Janet O'Leary started this thread. He he! YOU are the O'Leary sock puppet, then. Busted! Wilbur Hubbard I don't have a clue who Janet O'Leary is? I meant I'm the one who asked the question: Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat? Hearing Hubbard crowing about sock puppets was worth a laugh. A JL Rogers responded to a thread started by a J O'Leary, three days later. Here is the J O'Leary first post header: Are you she? BrianW From: "Janet O'Leary" Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising Subject: Adding bow roller and other thoughts X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:13:55 GMT X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1228878835 71.181.56.37 (Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:13:55 EST) Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. A 30' cruising sailboat is right in front of you. She is in good shape, but very plain. She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor, ... just a whole bunch of stuff. *********************************************** |
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