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Gregory Hall December 15th 08 02:28 PM

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jlrogers±³©[_2_] December 15th 08 06:27 PM

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Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow
roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat?



SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ?


This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a
bow roller?

In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither.


Capt. JG December 15th 08 06:48 PM

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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a
bow roller?

In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither.



I guess that's true. You have to wonder though... it is difficult, if not
extremely difficult to haul up an anchor without a windless, especially
without a windlass. I wonder what that says about the rest of the boat...

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Edgar December 15th 08 06:48 PM

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Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow
roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat?


SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ?


This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a
bow roller?

In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither.


Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who never
anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they carry a
light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for a 38'
boat..
But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38'
sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get insurance.
But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave 'her'
the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply to 'her'
first post.
But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised
questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first said
someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make and type
so that we can home in on some specific points?.
I am out of this one therefore.
'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am
concerned..



Capt. JG December 15th 08 07:34 PM

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:48:06 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a
bow roller?

In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither.



I guess that's true. You have to wonder though... it is difficult, if not
extremely difficult to haul up an anchor without a windless, especially
without a windlass. I wonder what that says about the rest of the boat...


The demographic of typical sailors has changed over the decades. The
average cruising type sailors tend to be older on average than they
were 20 or 30 years ago. New boats reflect that in how they are
equipped.

You can keep sailing to a much older age if you have the right
equipment on board.

That's why things such as furling mainsails have become so common now.



I agree of course. I was thinking that if the boat hasn't been upgraded in
20-30 years, then the owner hasn't used her much, maybe because she has
other problems that aren't so obvious. One really needs good ground tackle
for decent cruising and even for weekend cruising, not to mention for
safety. All it take is one small engine problem and looming rocks...


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Capt. JG December 15th 08 07:43 PM

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who never
anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they carry a
light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for a 38'
boat..
But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38'
sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get insurance.
But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave
'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply to
'her' first post.
But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised
questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first
said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make
and type so that we can home in on some specific points?.
I am out of this one therefore.
'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am
concerned..



Almost certainly a troll, but an interesting subject nonetheless.

Tackle is important and good tackle and systems are essential. I mostly
day-sail, with a few overnights on the hook, since I mostly teach on my boat
during the summer months. If I'm not teaching, I don't tend to be gone for
more than the weekend or a three-day. If I go offshore on her, I'm either
sailing or going to a specific place rather than coast hop (not many places
to do this safely on the left coast). I have a primary, which is a small
Bruce (no windlass on my 30-footer, but I do have a roller on the teak
sprit). I have a small Danforth in the stern laz as a backup.

If I'm just bouncing around on the bay, then I typically stow the Bruce. If
I'm teaching anything more than the basic stuff, then I leave it on the
roller, tied off, but still pretty quickly deployable. The Danforth is also
pretty easy to get going, but I've never had to do so.

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jlrogers±³©[_2_] December 15th 08 10:07 PM

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
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Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow
roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat?


SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ?

This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a
bow roller?

In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither.


Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who never
anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they carry a
light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for a 38'
boat..
But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38'
sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get insurance.
But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave
'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply to
'her' first post.
But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised
questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first
said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make
and type so that we can home in on some specific points?.
I am out of this one therefore.
'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am
concerned..

Who are you talking about? I started this thread because I have found that
the majority of boats for sale, in the 32 to 38 range, 1977 to 1985 do not
have a windless. many do not have bow rollers. It appears there are few
"cruisers" for sail (sic) that are equipped for cruising. Most seem to have
spent their lives tied up in marinas.


Wilbur Hubbard[_2_] December 15th 08 11:00 PM

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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...


Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow
roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat?


SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ?

This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without a
bow roller?

In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither.


Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who
never anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they
carry a light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even for
a 38' boat..
But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38'
sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get
insurance.
But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave
'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply
to 'her' first post.
But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised
questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first
said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make
and type so that we can home in on some specific points?.
I am out of this one therefore.
'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I am
concerned..

Who are you talking about? I started this thread because I have found
that the majority of boats for sale, in the 32 to 38 range, 1977 to 1985
do not have a windless. many do not have bow rollers. It appears there
are few "cruisers" for sail (sic) that are equipped for cruising. Most
seem to have spent their lives tied up in marinas.


I thought Janet O'Leary started this thread. He he! YOU are the O'Leary sock
puppet, then.

Busted!

Wilbur Hubbard



jlrogers±³©[_2_] December 16th 08 03:28 AM

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...


Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow
roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat?


SWAG - $150/hour x 5 ?

This whole thing is a troll. Who has ever seen a 38' sailboat without
a bow roller?

In shopping for a boat, I have been amazed how many have neither.

Well, I suppose it is conceivable that there may be some people who
never anchor and never even think they need to anchor so perhaps they
carry a light aluminium anchor and no chain and think that is Ok even
for a 38' boat..
But this side of the pond they would be laughed out of court with a 38'
sailboat so ill equipped and certainly would not be able to get
insurance.
But I still think this 'Janet O' Leary' is another troller tho' I gave
'her' the benefit of the doubt by giving some good information in reply
to 'her' first post.
But ever since then 'her' posts have always been vague generalised
questions apparently just to get discussions going. If, as 'she' first
said someone is 'giving' her a boat why have we not been told what make
and type so that we can home in on some specific points?.
I am out of this one therefore.
'She' can buy some books and read about the basics therein as far as I
am concerned..

Who are you talking about? I started this thread because I have found
that the majority of boats for sale, in the 32 to 38 range, 1977 to 1985
do not have a windless. many do not have bow rollers. It appears there
are few "cruisers" for sail (sic) that are equipped for cruising. Most
seem to have spent their lives tied up in marinas.


I thought Janet O'Leary started this thread. He he! YOU are the O'Leary
sock puppet, then.

Busted!

Wilbur Hubbard

I don't have a clue who Janet O'Leary is? I meant I'm the one who asked the
question: Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a
bow roller
and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat?


Brian Whatcott December 16th 08 01:19 PM

Adding bow roller and other thoughts
 
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:28:14 -0600, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote:


"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
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Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a bow
roller and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat?

....
Who are you talking about? I started this thread because I have found
that the majority of boats for sale, in the 32 to 38 range, 1977 to 1985
do not have a windless. ...


I thought Janet O'Leary started this thread. He he! YOU are the O'Leary
sock puppet, then.

Busted!
Wilbur Hubbard

I don't have a clue who Janet O'Leary is? I meant I'm the one who asked the
question: Anyone know the cost (approximately) of having a yard install a
bow roller
and electric/manual windless to a 38 foot boat?


Hearing Hubbard crowing about sock puppets was worth a laugh.
A JL Rogers responded to a thread started by a J O'Leary, three days
later.

Here is the J O'Leary first post header:
Are you she?

BrianW

From: "Janet O'Leary"
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Subject: Adding bow roller and other thoughts

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:13:55 GMT

X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1228878835 71.181.56.37 (Tue, 09 Dec
2008 22:13:55 EST)

Ok,, there you are .. standing there, at a marina. A 30' cruising
sailboat is right in front of you. She is in good shape, but very
plain.

She does not have roller furling, bow roller with appropriate anchor,
... just a whole bunch of stuff.

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