Gogarty wrote:
In article ,
says...

(snip)
The Livaboard simulator while entertaining isn't really much of a
simulator. It ignores *every* positive aspect of boating. If you really
want to simulate something you capture every aspect of it, not just the
negative.

Stephen

Larry was making a funny (which I published with Larry's permission in the
NYSC Newsletter some years ago). Fact is, if you are living aboard a 35
to 40 foot vessel that is tied to the dock and never goes anywhere, then
Larry's simulator is spot on. But if you are a cruiser moving from place to
new place all the time, then it is irrelevant even if you sepnd a few weeks
stationary..

Yeah, like I said, it's entertaining, but not realistic. Of course the
main advantage of a cruising boat is it's mobility, same as a trailer or
motor home. Both are compact to make for better traveling economy and so
are not as spacious and luxurious as a house. There is much humor to be
found in the compact nature of the boat/trailer. The opposite would be
funny too, like if someone tried to travel and explore while dragging
their house around with them.

Stephen

Stephen Trapani wrote in news:dyFYk.2396
:

Of course the
main advantage of a cruising boat is it's mobility, same as a trailer
or
motor home.

I'm sorry but I disagree. If you tow a trailer with some kind of
vehicle, or drive a SMALL motorhome, like a Class C, you are in a much
different position than you are if you arrive in a BOAT. A Boat is like
arriving by airplane. You land it at the appropriate point....then
you're STRANDED at that point until either some good samaritan like me
picks you up or you hire some kind of transport to allow you to go
further than walking distance from the cleats the boat is tied to. You
aren't stranded when you arrive in a trailer or motorhome, unless you've
bought such a huge motorhome there's no place to park it, but those guys
all tow SUVs to get around with. None of the camper crowd is ever
STRANDED at the RV park, their version of the marina without the lines
chafing.

People in campers, if we're allowed to call them that any more, see far
more and different landscape than boaters, too. Boaters have two views
out their windows....ocean....or....swampland. That's what you see if
you come to South Carolina, no matter where you go, except Myrtle Beach
where you see either ocean or ditch walls out by the airport. In
Florida, you see either ocean or condos and other boats....anywhere you
go. Boaters never see Mt Rushmore or the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone's
Old Faithful or Grand Teton or Stone Mountain or Two Flags over Fuquay.
Camper owners see all these, if they want. Most of them dock INSIDE
these places!

Owning a boat is like owning a Lear Jet. You get to see the water until
you get there, like the Lear gets to see the clouds below them...Oceans
look pretty much the same for weeks on end...salt water. Then, you
strand at the marina. Some marinas look a little different, but they're
pretty much the same until the credit card bill comes in.

Lake boaters have better views than ocean cruisers. If you've seen one
banana republic, you've seen 'em all....

On Nov 30, 6:34*pm, Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:dyFYk.2396
:



Of course the
main advantage of a cruising boat is it's mobility, same as a trailer
or
motor home.

I'm sorry but I disagree. *If you tow a trailer with some kind of
vehicle, or drive a SMALL motorhome, like a Class C, you are in a much
different position than you are if you arrive in a BOAT. *A Boat is like
arriving by airplane. *You land it at the appropriate point....then
you're STRANDED at that point until either some good samaritan like me
picks you up or you hire some kind of transport to allow you to go
further than walking distance from the cleats the boat is tied to. *You
aren't stranded when you arrive in a trailer or motorhome, unless you've
bought such a huge motorhome there's no place to park it, but those guys
all tow SUVs to get around with. *None of the camper crowd is ever
STRANDED at the RV park, their version of the marina without the lines
chafing.

People in campers, if we're allowed to call them that any more, see far
more and different landscape than boaters, too. *Boaters have two views
out their windows....ocean....or....swampland. *That's what you see if
you come to South Carolina, no matter where you go, except Myrtle Beach
where you see either ocean or ditch walls out by the airport. *In
Florida, you see either ocean or condos and other boats....anywhere you
go. *Boaters never see Mt Rushmore or the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone's
Old Faithful or Grand Teton or Stone Mountain or Two Flags over Fuquay. *
Camper owners see all these, if they want. *Most of them dock INSIDE
these places!

Owning a boat is like owning a Lear Jet. *You get to see the water until
you get there, like the Lear gets to see the clouds below them...Oceans
look pretty much the same for weeks on end...salt water. *Then, you
strand at the marina. *Some marinas look a little different, but they're
pretty much the same until the credit card bill comes in.

Lake boaters have better views than ocean cruisers. *If you've seen one
banana republic, you've seen 'em all....

small nit Larry ive never seen the ocean the same from moment to
moment it always changes. for me atleast the change is always
interesting.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:34:57 +0000, Larry wrote:

Stephen Trapani wrote in news:dyFYk.2396
:

Of course the
main advantage of a cruising boat is it's mobility, same as a trailer
or motor home.

I'm sorry but I disagree. If you tow a trailer with some kind of
vehicle, or drive a SMALL motorhome, like a Class C, you are in a much
different position than you are if you arrive in a BOAT. A Boat is like
arriving by airplane. You land it at the appropriate point....then
you're STRANDED at that point ...

It's been nearly twenty years ago. I took my kid,
then about 12, with me on a pilgrimage
from Tulsa to Oshkosh.
We used small country airports up the mid-west.
We took it steady over three days.
There was ALWAYS a jalopy - or else sometimes a
late model vehicle, available to drive to the nearby motel.
We were the ones in a Cessna 150, so there was no
mistaking us for the jet-set.
It was a charmed journey - I long to do it again:
"Don't answer on frequency - just waggle your wings..."
(Final vectors to Oshkosh Approach, number oh, 30 on final.)

Brian W

Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

There was ALWAYS a jalopy - or else sometimes a
late model vehicle, available to drive to the nearby motel.


That was my point, though. You can't just drive the boat or plane
downtown, but you can the camper, so it wasn't a good parallel comparison.

Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:dyFYk.2396
:

Of course the
main advantage of a cruising boat is it's mobility, same as a trailer
or
motor home.

I'm sorry but I disagree.

I'm not saying the two are the same, I'm just saying that when you
compare either of them with a house, like your simulator does, they both
look silly because of how compact they are.

But for the sake of discussion... :-)

If you tow a trailer with some kind of
vehicle, or drive a SMALL motorhome, like a Class C, you are in a much
different position than you are if you arrive in a BOAT. A Boat is like
arriving by airplane. You land it at the appropriate point....then
you're STRANDED at that point until either some good samaritan like me
picks you up or you hire some kind of transport to allow you to go
further than walking distance from the cleats the boat is tied to.

Well, I agree that a motor home usually has an extra degree of freedom,
except sometimes when you are in an area like Puget Sound, where often
you can get to a certain marina in an hour (at 6MPH) by water that takes
an hour and a half or more by car at highway speed. Human beings, being
land mammals and all, have much more located on land than they do on
water, but again, near the water in some areas there is quite a lot to
see and do.

You
aren't stranded when you arrive in a trailer or motorhome, unless you've
bought such a huge motorhome there's no place to park it, but those guys
all tow SUVs to get around with. None of the camper crowd is ever
STRANDED at the RV park, their version of the marina without the lines
chafing.

Again, it depends upon your perspective. If you drive up to Olympia in
your motor home and want to go to hike around Hope Island, or watch the
Indians seine salmon at Squaxin Island you are SOL unless some good
Samaritan boater like me will take you out there.

And if you boat to places like Olympia or Gig Harbor you can find a huge
wealth of stores, city life, etc within fifteen minutes walk of your
moorage, easy.

Stephen