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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
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why thank you wayne, for your advice.. now go ...

you sound like some of the men around here, dumb, fat, and loud.


Janet, please take this in the spirit in which it is offered: Wayne gave you
good advice. So did Wilbur, TMT, JGanz and others who escape my memory. As I
am not a "person of penis," perhaps you will accept my advice. :-)

The survey is for the buyer's protection. As a buyer, the last thing in the
world that you want is for the seller to have anything whatsoever to do with
that survey. If the seller pays even one penny of the survey expense, the
surveyor is working for two people who have conflicting interests. The
seller wants the surveyor to find nothing wrong with the boat. The buyer
wants to find out every little thing that is going to cost money to fix or
replace.

Good luck with your search,
Karin

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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:55:36 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:

The buyer always pays for the survey because it is for their benefit.

Janet, in all seriousness and with all due respect, if you are
concerned about $400 you have no business even thinking about buying a
boat or living on one. $400 and the purchase price are just the tip
of the iceberg.

If low cost housing is your top priority consider the rental or
purchase of a mobile home. It would be *much* less expensive than
owning a boat and have a lot more living space.


why thank you wayne, for your advice.. now go ...

you sound like some of the men around here, dumb, fat, and loud.

Janet, I'm not even going to speculate on what you look like because
it's not really relevant to the discussion. I would delicately
suggest however that you might want to rethink your approach with
people who are trying to offer good advice even when it's not what you
wanted to hear.

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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:14:51 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:


When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have the
seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey?

As others have said, definitely not, and in my experience the buyer
will normally have to pay for the haulout. However, if there have
been previous offers on the boat that were withdrawn or rejected for
some reason, it may be possible to buy the previous survey, which
might save some money.

When I sold my previous boat, the buyer asked me to pay for a haulout
so he could inspect the bottom for blisters - as that was only $200 on
a potential $34,000 sale, and I'd owned two boats for a year and a
half, I agreed to pay - I wanted to get rid of the thing.

If the seller is sufficiently motivated, you can sometimes make
deals...


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
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On 24 Nov 2008 16:27:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:58:06 -0600, Vic Smith
said:

Whether he wants to haggle or not, it's a fact of life in most sales
of this type that most people would expect to get his price down.
Hell of a lot easier to put that haggle money in the offer price and
work it down if necessary to do the sale.
Just my opinion.

Your opinion differs from mine. To me it's a hell of a lot easier to price
it at what I think it will ultimately sell for, tell the broker it's a firm
and don't even communicate offers at a lower price, and make it clear to the
buyer that I've priced it fairly and will not haggle.

Maybe your method is best, and it's one I personally prefer.
I've never sold anything.
Put a car up for sale once, and after the first insulting offer I just
gave it to a needy neighbor.
As a many time buyer of used cars, I've basically gone by Kelly's.
If the offer price is in out of line with Kelly's, it's been no
problem getting it to down to that price with private owners.
OTOH, if it's at Kelly's already, and I want it, I just pay the asking
price. Might hem and haw a bit, but that's it.
I've picked up a couple offered below Kelly's, but suppose the owners
wanted to get rid of them.
I didn't bother offering more than they were asking!
As far as I know determining market value isn't so easy with boats.
So doing it your way is fine if you've picked a good price.
Might get the more serious buyers your way too, and save yourself
from the "browsers" and finaglers just out to finagle.

--Vic

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"Peter Bennett" wrote in message
news.com...
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:14:51 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:


When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have
the
seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey?

As others have said, definitely not, and in my experience the buyer
will normally have to pay for the haulout. However, if there have
been previous offers on the boat that were withdrawn or rejected for
some reason, it may be possible to buy the previous survey, which
might save some money.

When I sold my previous boat, the buyer asked me to pay for a haulout
so he could inspect the bottom for blisters - as that was only $200 on
a potential $34,000 sale, and I'd owned two boats for a year and a
half, I agreed to pay - I wanted to get rid of the thing.

If the seller is sufficiently motivated, you can sometimes make
deals...


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca


Yes, and I'll add that in my case, I was originally going to pay for both
haul and survey, but he decided to pay for it after all, due to
circumstances that aren't worthing getting into. He was a stand-up guy,
which I knew as soon as I met him, and my opinion of him hasn't changed over
years.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On 24 Nov 2008 16:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:51:18 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
said:

I have only been looking for a short time, but every boat I have looked at,
and the many folks I have asked for help .. have all assured me that
if the seller wants. or has any interest at all in selling his/her boat,
then
the seller must work with the buyer..

If I priced a boat appraised at $15,000 and obviously sound and in decent
shape at $10, and told you I wasn't interested in haggling, would you walk
away?

I'll give you 5

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wrote in message
...
On 24 Nov 2008 16:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:51:18 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
said:

I have only been looking for a short time, but every boat I have looked
at,
and the many folks I have asked for help .. have all assured me that
if the seller wants. or has any interest at all in selling his/her boat,
then
the seller must work with the buyer..

If I priced a boat appraised at $15,000 and obviously sound and in decent
shape at $10, and told you I wasn't interested in haggling, would you walk
away?

I'll give you 5



I'll give you $5.50 to not buy it. LOL

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On 2008-11-24 16:13:01 -0500, Vic Smith said:

Does (or can) a surveyor offer advice on pricing, or is that out of
his territory?

Our survey included a listing of recent prices.

--
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Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008112500232816807-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-11-24 16:13:01 -0500, Vic Smith
said:

Does (or can) a surveyor offer advice on pricing, or is that out of
his territory?

Our survey included a listing of recent prices.

I did a very thorough check on the internet covering price, specification
and reported condition of boats on offer before I homed into the particular
boat I was interested in and got it surveyed.
.. I knew from previous experience what design I was interested in (Catalina
38 S&S) and found about six good ones all over USA at what appeared to be
sensible prices. Ignored several others for various reasons.
When I decided on one particular boat and got a survey done the report came
with a statement of 'Fair market price' and also 'Replacement value'. The
latter figure was only of passing interest as it related to the cost of a
_new_ similar boat.
However the 'Fair market price' agreed well with the average asking priceof
the ones I had checked out on the internet which had seemed to be sensibly
priced..

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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:40:53 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On 24 Nov 2008 16:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:51:18 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
said:

I have only been looking for a short time, but every boat I have looked
at,
and the many folks I have asked for help .. have all assured me that
if the seller wants. or has any interest at all in selling his/her boat,
then
the seller must work with the buyer..

If I priced a boat appraised at $15,000 and obviously sound and in decent
shape at $10, and told you I wasn't interested in haggling, would you walk
away?

I'll give you 5



I'll give you $5.50 to not buy it. LOL

Deal!