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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... why thank you wayne, for your advice.. now go ... you sound like some of the men around here, dumb, fat, and loud. Janet, please take this in the spirit in which it is offered: Wayne gave you good advice. So did Wilbur, TMT, JGanz and others who escape my memory. As I am not a "person of penis," perhaps you will accept my advice. :-) The survey is for the buyer's protection. As a buyer, the last thing in the world that you want is for the seller to have anything whatsoever to do with that survey. If the seller pays even one penny of the survey expense, the surveyor is working for two people who have conflicting interests. The seller wants the surveyor to find nothing wrong with the boat. The buyer wants to find out every little thing that is going to cost money to fix or replace. Good luck with your search, Karin |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:55:36 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote: The buyer always pays for the survey because it is for their benefit. Janet, in all seriousness and with all due respect, if you are concerned about $400 you have no business even thinking about buying a boat or living on one. $400 and the purchase price are just the tip of the iceberg. If low cost housing is your top priority consider the rental or purchase of a mobile home. It would be *much* less expensive than owning a boat and have a lot more living space. why thank you wayne, for your advice.. now go ... you sound like some of the men around here, dumb, fat, and loud. Janet, I'm not even going to speculate on what you look like because it's not really relevant to the discussion. I would delicately suggest however that you might want to rethink your approach with people who are trying to offer good advice even when it's not what you wanted to hear. |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:14:51 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote: When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have the seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey? As others have said, definitely not, and in my experience the buyer will normally have to pay for the haulout. However, if there have been previous offers on the boat that were withdrawn or rejected for some reason, it may be possible to buy the previous survey, which might save some money. When I sold my previous boat, the buyer asked me to pay for a haulout so he could inspect the bottom for blisters - as that was only $200 on a potential $34,000 sale, and I'd owned two boats for a year and a half, I agreed to pay - I wanted to get rid of the thing. If the seller is sufficiently motivated, you can sometimes make deals... -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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On 24 Nov 2008 16:27:01 -0600, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:58:06 -0600, Vic Smith said: Whether he wants to haggle or not, it's a fact of life in most sales of this type that most people would expect to get his price down. Hell of a lot easier to put that haggle money in the offer price and work it down if necessary to do the sale. Just my opinion. Your opinion differs from mine. To me it's a hell of a lot easier to price it at what I think it will ultimately sell for, tell the broker it's a firm and don't even communicate offers at a lower price, and make it clear to the buyer that I've priced it fairly and will not haggle. Maybe your method is best, and it's one I personally prefer. I've never sold anything. Put a car up for sale once, and after the first insulting offer I just gave it to a needy neighbor. As a many time buyer of used cars, I've basically gone by Kelly's. If the offer price is in out of line with Kelly's, it's been no problem getting it to down to that price with private owners. OTOH, if it's at Kelly's already, and I want it, I just pay the asking price. Might hem and haw a bit, but that's it. I've picked up a couple offered below Kelly's, but suppose the owners wanted to get rid of them. I didn't bother offering more than they were asking! As far as I know determining market value isn't so easy with boats. So doing it your way is fine if you've picked a good price. Might get the more serious buyers your way too, and save yourself from the "browsers" and finaglers just out to finagle. --Vic |
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"Peter Bennett" wrote in message
news.com... On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:14:51 GMT, "Janet O'Leary" wrote: When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have the seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey? As others have said, definitely not, and in my experience the buyer will normally have to pay for the haulout. However, if there have been previous offers on the boat that were withdrawn or rejected for some reason, it may be possible to buy the previous survey, which might save some money. When I sold my previous boat, the buyer asked me to pay for a haulout so he could inspect the bottom for blisters - as that was only $200 on a potential $34,000 sale, and I'd owned two boats for a year and a half, I agreed to pay - I wanted to get rid of the thing. If the seller is sufficiently motivated, you can sometimes make deals... -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca Yes, and I'll add that in my case, I was originally going to pay for both haul and survey, but he decided to pay for it after all, due to circumstances that aren't worthing getting into. He was a stand-up guy, which I knew as soon as I met him, and my opinion of him hasn't changed over years. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 24 Nov 2008 16:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:51:18 GMT, "Janet O'Leary" said: I have only been looking for a short time, but every boat I have looked at, and the many folks I have asked for help .. have all assured me that if the seller wants. or has any interest at all in selling his/her boat, then the seller must work with the buyer.. If I priced a boat appraised at $15,000 and obviously sound and in decent shape at $10, and told you I wasn't interested in haggling, would you walk away? I'll give you 5 |
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... On 24 Nov 2008 16:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:51:18 GMT, "Janet O'Leary" said: I have only been looking for a short time, but every boat I have looked at, and the many folks I have asked for help .. have all assured me that if the seller wants. or has any interest at all in selling his/her boat, then the seller must work with the buyer.. If I priced a boat appraised at $15,000 and obviously sound and in decent shape at $10, and told you I wasn't interested in haggling, would you walk away? I'll give you 5 I'll give you $5.50 to not buy it. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-11-24 16:13:01 -0500, Vic Smith said:
Does (or can) a surveyor offer advice on pricing, or is that out of his territory? Our survey included a listing of recent prices. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008112500232816807-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-11-24 16:13:01 -0500, Vic Smith said: Does (or can) a surveyor offer advice on pricing, or is that out of his territory? Our survey included a listing of recent prices. I did a very thorough check on the internet covering price, specification and reported condition of boats on offer before I homed into the particular boat I was interested in and got it surveyed. .. I knew from previous experience what design I was interested in (Catalina 38 S&S) and found about six good ones all over USA at what appeared to be sensible prices. Ignored several others for various reasons. When I decided on one particular boat and got a survey done the report came with a statement of 'Fair market price' and also 'Replacement value'. The latter figure was only of passing interest as it related to the cost of a _new_ similar boat. However the 'Fair market price' agreed well with the average asking priceof the ones I had checked out on the internet which had seemed to be sensibly priced.. |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:40:53 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On 24 Nov 2008 16:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:51:18 GMT, "Janet O'Leary" said: I have only been looking for a short time, but every boat I have looked at, and the many folks I have asked for help .. have all assured me that if the seller wants. or has any interest at all in selling his/her boat, then the seller must work with the buyer.. If I priced a boat appraised at $15,000 and obviously sound and in decent shape at $10, and told you I wasn't interested in haggling, would you walk away? I'll give you 5 I'll give you $5.50 to not buy it. LOL Deal! |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:34:00 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll
wrote: I dont get electrical surveys done at all, ever. there is not a used boat on earth that does not need all the electrical ripped out and replaced. Fresh water. Casady |
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"Janet O'Leary" yeahright wrote:
,, are you familiar with short selling? *Stock market short selling? Yes. It has absolutely nothing to do with buying-selling boats. ... *By asking the seller to shoulder half of the survey expense, the seller is forced to reveal the flaw before the survey .. and this helps reach the "true" price of the boat. That's just plain stupid. There is no broad based market for any particular boat, thus no 'market price.' The boat is worth what a given buyer will pay for it, and it costs what the seller will take for it. First of all, there is certainly no guarantee that a surveyor will find any particular flaw the seller may have in mind. 2nd there are almost certainly flaws the seller doesn't know about 3rd there is a tremendously wide range of possible 'fixes' for any given boat problem, and thus no definable cost to repair... until the specifics of the individual's preferences are applied AND a specific repair put out for bid. This seems reasonable to me .. That's because you know nothing at all about the process. OTOH there's no reason why you can't try to buy a boat your way. Lots & lots & lots of sellers out there. And you can always convince yourself you got a "deal" DSK |
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In this market, you'll have that boat until it gets sold as part of
your estate. Dave wrote: Nonsense. There are people who don't have the psychological profile of the merchant in a Middle Eastern bazaar. ?? Seems a bit of a revealing comment... have you ever been in a Middle Eastern bazaar? I have. Islam is very non-materialistic. Middle Eastern merchants are very open & honest. since they don't consider the prospect of gouging a few extra coins from your pocket as worth endangering their soul. Christianity proposes this same philosophy but far fewer Christians put it into practice. DSK |
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's just plain stupid.
There is no broad based market for any particular boat, thus no 'market price.' The boat is worth what a given buyer will pay for it, and it costs what the seller will take for it. First of all, there is certainly no guarantee that a surveyor will find any particular flaw the seller may have in mind. 2nd there are almost certainly flaws the seller doesn't know about 3rd there is a tremendously wide range of possible 'fixes' for any given boat problem, and thus no definable cost to repair... until the specifics of the individual's preferences are applied AND a specific repair put out for bid. This seems reasonable to me .. That's because you know nothing at all about the process. OTOH there's no reason why you can't try to buy a boat your way. Lots & lots & lots of sellers out there. And you can always convince yourself you got a "deal" DSK ============= Its not often I get called stupid ... but you must be an expert .. Do you go around and tell people you don't know they are stupid all the time, or is this just an internet thing? The process, as you call it,, can be summed up in one word.. MONEY Show the money, and the process usually is quick to arrive. I just bought a couple more book at Barnes and Noble. They explain the purchase process very completely. I've also met an experienced yachtman who has owned over 10 cruising sailboats or different sizes. He is very helpful. Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your experience is. How many boats have you bought and sold? Where do you sail? What boat do you own now? When was the last time you bought a boat? Did you have a survey done? What is the name of your boat? Where is she moored/docked? In other words... put up or shut up. Ms Novice. |
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Islam is very non-materialistic. Middle Eastern merchants are very
open & honest. since they don't consider the prospect of gouging a few extra coins from your pocket as worth endangering their soul. Christianity proposes this same philosophy but far fewer Christians put it into practice. Dave wrote: Interesting observations, Doug. *I find haggling distasteful, but not immoral. It's not about haggling, which is a great tradition in most places other than the US. It's about lying for profit. .... Apparently you view it as having a moral dimension. It's not about *my* feelings, Dave.... you made a statement that conveyed your impression that Middle Eastern bazaar merchants... possibly Middle Easterners in general.... were greedy & dishonest. This is not the case. They might be happy to kill you but they would not rob you. .... So can I morally price my boat at any more than I expect to ultimately sell it for? If so, how much more before I'm "gouging"? *And is that the same premium I can ask before I endanger my soul? 10%? 30%? 50%? 100%? Morality is not my department. Just telling you the facts as I have observed them. Setting a price on your boat is not the same as accepting X amount of money for it. Seems unlikely to me, in this current market environment, that you'll be able to endanger your soul over it ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Dave wrote:
And so you just paid whatever they were asking at the souk, right? Surely you jest. Nope. And don't call me Shirley! As a matter of fact, on several occasions when buying gold jewelry in the souk, I not only brought my own newspaper with the day's gold price quotes but also my own calibration weights. Didn't raise any tempers at all, as you might expect... instead several merchants requested that I come in and check their scales... offered me coffee (which one should be wary of) as a gesture of approval. In short, I was impressed with their honesty.... that said, I would not have wanted to trust my life to their generosity... at least not towards an infidel.... DSK |
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your experience is. Enough that I don't really care what you think. How many boats have you bought and sold? A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen. .... * When was the last time you bought a boat? March 2008 * Did you have a survey done? On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several before that, going to about 1970-something In other words... put up or shut up. Really? Or else you'll.... what? You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical approach is best in these things. DSK |
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wrote in message ... It's not about *my* feelings, Dave.... you made a statement that conveyed your impression that Middle Eastern bazaar merchants... possibly Middle Easterners in general.... were greedy & dishonest. This is not the case. They might be happy to kill you but they would not rob you. Morality is not my department. Just telling you the facts as I have observed them. Setting a price on your boat is not the same as accepting X amount of money for it. Seems unlikely to me, in this current market environment, that you'll be able to endanger your soul over it ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King One must keep in mind that Capitalism and morality are strangers to each other. |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
wrote in message ... It's not about *my* feelings, Dave.... you made a statement that conveyed your impression that Middle Eastern bazaar merchants... possibly Middle Easterners in general.... were greedy & dishonest. This is not the case. They might be happy to kill you but they would not rob you. Morality is not my department. Just telling you the facts as I have observed them. Setting a price on your boat is not the same as accepting X amount of money for it. Seems unlikely to me, in this current market environment, that you'll be able to endanger your soul over it ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King One must keep in mind that Capitalism and morality are strangers to each other. Strangers??? Clearly not. Now, enemies.... :-) Keith Hughes |
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One must keep in mind that Capitalism and morality are strangers to each
other. Dave wrote: Nonsense. Agreed. Capitalism depends on strong morals, especially in the area of contracts DSK |
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Dave wrote:
Umm....I don't think so. You seem to be reading in something that's not there. OK, sorry. My posts were about concealing facts, or outright misrepresentation, to obtain a greater price from a buyer. .... When I referred to the "psychological profile" I was speaking of the profile of someone who gets his jollies from haggling, and the from relating how he got the better of the party on the other side in a bargaining session. We've occasionally seen the type here. Why wouldn't we? The "set price" neurosis seems not to exist in most of the world, whereas in the US many people seem to think it's totally natural. DSK |
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wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote: Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your experience is. Enough that I don't really care what you think. How many boats have you bought and sold? A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen. .... When was the last time you bought a boat? March 2008 Did you have a survey done? On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several efore that, going to about 1970-something In other words... put up or shut up. Really? Or else you'll.... what? You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical approach is best in these things. DSK So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell us anything about any of them.. What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat? You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything .. but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is? Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like a boat owner want a be.. A phoney.. Mr expert ... my ass.. You are a big pile of air.. Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the make, model,, where you dock her.. Come on mr smart guy. |
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. * Doubt away. Why should I care? I don't know you, nor want to. Meanwhile there are several participants in this forum whom I have met in person, some have sailed on more than one of my boats. The honest man (or woman) will tend to assume that others are honest.... maybe there's a reason why you are so quick to assume others are phoney? DSK |
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote: Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your experience is. Enough that I don't really care what you think. How many boats have you bought and sold? A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen. .... When was the last time you bought a boat? March 2008 Did you have a survey done? On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several efore that, going to about 1970-something In other words... put up or shut up. Really? Or else you'll.... what? You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical approach is best in these things. DSK So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell us anything about any of them.. What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat? You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything .. but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is? Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like a boat owner want a be.. A phoney.. Mr expert ... my ass.. You are a big pile of air.. Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the make, model,, where you dock her.. Come on mr smart guy. Ouch! A woman scorned . . . You're wrong on this one Ms. O'Leary. Doug has owned and sailed lots of boats. He hasn't really learned much of anything in the process but he does sail. His sailing at the present time is aboard an ugly, pollution spewing trawler - sailing in the "navigating upon the water" sense, not sailing as in using sails for propulsion. He's gotten out of the sailboat game. I think he got too old and lazy to do much of anything but sit in a pilot house, fiddle with the autopilot, drink beer and make big wakes. (So rude!) At any rate, he's more of a motor head these days than a sailor. His advice would be mostly outdated as it's probably been five or six years or more since he's owned a sailboat. If memory serves, the sailboats he's owned were on the smallish side and daysailers rather than cruisers. He's even done some dinghy racing, I think. The winner's circle seems to have evaded him, however. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote: Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your experience is. Enough that I don't really care what you think. How many boats have you bought and sold? A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen. .... When was the last time you bought a boat? March 2008 Did you have a survey done? On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several efore that, going to about 1970-something In other words... put up or shut up. Really? Or else you'll.... what? You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical approach is best in these things. DSK So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell us anything about any of them.. What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat? You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything .. but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is? Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like a boat owner want a be.. A phoney.. Mr expert ... my ass.. You are a big pile of air.. Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the make, model,, where you dock her.. Come on mr smart guy. He doesn't have to prove anything. I know Doug and he's the real deal. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote in message
... On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:40:53 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: wrote in message . .. On 24 Nov 2008 16:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:51:18 GMT, "Janet O'Leary" said: I have only been looking for a short time, but every boat I have looked at, and the many folks I have asked for help .. have all assured me that if the seller wants. or has any interest at all in selling his/her boat, then the seller must work with the buyer.. If I priced a boat appraised at $15,000 and obviously sound and in decent shape at $10, and told you I wasn't interested in haggling, would you walk away? I'll give you 5 I'll give you $5.50 to not buy it. LOL Deal! The check is in the mail. :) Maybe Dave will try and sell a bridge soon? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:40:05 -0500, said: That is the way it's generally done. However, if I were selling a boat I'd tell the buyer at the outset that the agreed price is the price regardless of what a survey finds. If he doesn't like the survey he can cancel the contract, but there will be no renegotiation of the price. In this market, you'll have that boat until it gets sold as part of your estate. Nonsense. There are people who don't have the psychological profile of the merchant in a Middle Eastern bazaar. Even in this market. Dave, although I am not as expert as you ,, what you write is totally not true, at least in the market we find ourselves in today. I have only been looking for a short time, but every boat I have looked at, and the many folks I have asked for help .. have all assured me that if the seller wants. or has any interest at all in selling his/her boat, then the seller must work with the buyer.. I don't know where you live but here in Florida, there are thousands of boats for sale and very few buyers. Florida? Your IP number says you posted from Keene, New Hampshire. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... why thank you wayne, for your advice.. now go ... you sound like some of the men around here, dumb, fat, and loud. Janet, please take this in the spirit in which it is offered: Wayne gave you good advice. So did Wilbur, TMT, JGanz and others who escape my memory. As I am not a "person of penis," perhaps you will accept my advice. :-) The survey is for the buyer's protection. As a buyer, the last thing in the world that you want is for the seller to have anything whatsoever to do with that survey. If the seller pays even one penny of the survey expense, the surveyor is working for two people who have conflicting interests. The seller wants the surveyor to find nothing wrong with the boat. The buyer wants to find out every little thing that is going to cost money to fix or replace. Good luck with your search, Karin Psssssst! Karin, Ms. O'Leary may not be what "she" seems. For one, "she" claims to be looking at boats in Florida but "her" posts originate from New Hampshire. Her prose seems to have some testosterone at the core. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ions... "Janet O'Leary" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... "Janet O'Leary" wrote: Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your experience is. Enough that I don't really care what you think. How many boats have you bought and sold? A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen. .... When was the last time you bought a boat? March 2008 Did you have a survey done? On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several efore that, going to about 1970-something In other words... put up or shut up. Really? Or else you'll.... what? You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical approach is best in these things. DSK So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell us anything about any of them.. What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat? You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything .. but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is? Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like a boat owner want a be.. A phoney.. Mr expert ... my ass.. You are a big pile of air.. Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the make, model,, where you dock her.. Come on mr smart guy. He doesn't have to prove anything. I know Doug and he's the real deal. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Oh no! I'm disappointed to learn that Doug is gay. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:08:34 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Wayne.B" wrote
I'm beginning to wonder how real our friend Janet is however. "She" seems a bit too confrontational for a woman seeking advice. Perhaps things are not what they seem. I'd begun to suspect a while ago that Neal, who likes to post in drag, was at it again. It sounds like him. -- Roger Long |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:36:57 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote I'm beginning to wonder how real our friend Janet is however. "She" seems a bit too confrontational for a woman seeking advice. Perhaps things are not what they seem. I'd begun to suspect a while ago that Neal, who likes to post in drag, was at it again. It sounds like him. Could be. He reminds me of barbershop mirrors sometimes. --Vic |
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Wayne.B wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder how real our friend Janet is however. *"She" seems a bit too confrontational for a woman seeking advice. *Perhaps things are not what they seem. Perhaps? Has anybody been keeping track of the names "Wilbur Hubbard" and "Greg Hall" mistakenly post under? It's more than three.... somebody has 'way too much free time on their hands.... On Nov 25, 2:30 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote: Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message
... "Wayne.B" wrote I'm beginning to wonder how real our friend Janet is however. "She" seems a bit too confrontational for a woman seeking advice. Perhaps things are not what they seem. I'd begun to suspect a while ago that Neal, who likes to post in drag, was at it again. It sounds like him. -- Roger Long Now that's funny. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Wayne.B wrote: I'm beginning to wonder how real our friend Janet is however. "She" seems a bit too confrontational for a woman seeking advice. Perhaps things are not what they seem. Perhaps? Has anybody been keeping track of the names "Wilbur Hubbard" and "Greg Hall" mistakenly post under? It's more than three.... somebody has 'way too much free time on their hands.... On Nov 25, 2:30 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote: Wilbur Hubbard Hand, not hands. He sure can type well with one hand. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote in message ... KLC Lewis wrote: One must keep in mind that Capitalism and morality are strangers to each other. Strangers??? Clearly not. Now, enemies.... :-) Keith Hughes I will accept that correction. ;-) |
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wrote in message ... One must keep in mind that Capitalism and morality are strangers to each other. Dave wrote: Nonsense. Agreed. Capitalism depends on strong morals, especially in the area of contracts DSK I would argue that Capitalism depends only upon strong enforcement of laws, regardless of morality. A perfectly legal transaction or contract can be utterly immoral. I'm sure you can come up with your own examples of such, if you think about it. |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Psssssst! Karin, Ms. O'Leary may not be what "she" seems. For one, "she" claims to be looking at boats in Florida but "her" posts originate from New Hampshire. Her prose seems to have some testosterone at the core. Wilbur Hubbard Ya, I'm coming to that conclusion myself. |
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Janet O'Leary wrote:
You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical approach is best in these things. DSK So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell us anything about any of them.. What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat? You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything .. but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is? Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like a boat owner want a be.. A phoney.. Mr expert ... my ass.. You are a big pile of air.. Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the make, model,, where you dock her.. Come on mr smart guy. OOPS Janet O'Leary is really DSK who is really KLC! Who are the rest of the socks. Wilbur? Gordon |
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