On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:54:48 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Oh, give it a rest with the survey crap, why don't you? Why do you
recommend the abdication of personal responsibility with respect to
something he should easily be able to handle himself?

All it takes is to do a little reading and research. There is nothing on a
28-footer that an amateur cannot see and check for himself armed with some
basic knowledge and some small ability to think and analyze.

Professional surveys have their place but not on an older, basic 28-ft
sailboat. It's just not cost effective. The first step towards cruising
should be to know how to evaluate your purchase yourself. If you aren't up
to that simple task then stay ashore. You don't have what it takes.

=============================

Nonsense.

On Nov 23, 4:28*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
wrote

I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ...

You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. *I wasn't trying to say he
isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here but that he would get
better and more considered answers here if he provides enough information to
assure people that they are real issues and enough data to provide
reasonable answers.

No, no, it's my fault Anyway, I'm with you that the question asked
wasn't answerable without more work. Sometimes that can be the result
of difficulties defining the problem and sometimes it is because the
poster is dishonest. In the first case there can be a useful
dialogue. I guess my difference with you here is that I'm not at all
concerned about the "reality" of the issues. I think good discussions
can be had on entirely hypothetical issues and even purely fantastical
ones. By the time it gets to my LCD it's all cyber stuff anyway...

-- Tom.

PS. Did I mention that I think the problem with hunting on my 2gm20
was with a faulty valve on the return line? On some versions of the
2gm and other Yanmars they "T"ed the return line and sent some of the
fuel back to the primary via a one way valve (a BB and seat). If that
valve leaks it makes enough vacuum to pull some fuel out of the filter
and you get air in the system... I removed the valve and took out the
"T" and that seems to have solved things. I'm sure that Yanmar went
to the trouble of doing things that way for a reason but so far I
can't see any difference in performance...

T.

wrote

PS. Did I mention that I think the problem with hunting on my 2gm20
was with a faulty valve on the return line? On some versions of the
2gm and other Yanmars they "T"ed the return line and sent some of the
fuel back to the primary via a one way valve (a BB and seat). If that
valve leaks it makes enough vacuum to pull some fuel out of the filter
and you get air in the system... I removed the valve and took out the
"T" and that seems to have solved things. I'm sure that Yanmar went
to the trouble of doing things that way for a reason but so far I
can't see any difference in performance...

Very interesting. All the fuel on my 2QM (earlier version) goes back to the
filter and it works fine.

--
Roger Long

"Wayne.B" wrote

Nonsense. (Re; The opinion that surveyors are not needed.)


Especially in the case of the aparent knowledge level of the OP (No slight
intended. We all started with zero knowledge and learned by asking.)

I used to do some surveying and have been professionally involved with boats
my whole adult life. I still utilize professional surveyors and will the
next time I need a survey.

--
Roger Long

On Nov 23, 9:32*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
What kind of boat?

How old?

Do you have a survey?

You can get some good information here with some specifics and keeping your
BS detector turned up to maximum sensitivity.


I dunno, some of my favorite posts tend to make the BS meter read
"TILT"

Bu then again, I don't come here as much for advice or technical
feedback as to confer & hobnob with a group of fellow boat-a-
holics... maybe "validation" would be a good term for it...

FB- Doug

wrote
I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ...


"Roger Long" wrote:
You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. *I wasn't trying to say he
isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here...


No, no, it's my fault

After you, my dear Alphonse.... c'mon you BOZOS! Don't you know how to
have an argument on the Internet?

No wonder USENET is dying!

DSK

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:54:48 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Oh, give it a rest with the survey crap, why don't you? Why do you
recommend the abdication of personal responsibility with respect to
something he should easily be able to handle himself?

All it takes is to do a little reading and research. There is nothing on a
28-footer that an amateur cannot see and check for himself armed with some
basic knowledge and some small ability to think and analyze.

Professional surveys have their place but not on an older, basic 28-ft
sailboat. It's just not cost effective. The first step towards cruising
should be to know how to evaluate your purchase yourself. If you aren't up
to that simple task then stay ashore. You don't have what it takes.

=============================

Nonsense.



Complete nonsense.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR

Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back
in the water after 20 plus year sleep

Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very
good condition and most just needs a good cleaning.

it has Chrysler on the stern so if anyone knows anything about these
can give me any info I would be greatful

Mario

On Nov 23, 10:31�am, " wrote:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR

Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back
in the water after 20 plus year sleep

Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very
good condition and most just needs a good cleaning.

it has Chrysler on the stern �so if anyone knows anything about these
can give me any info I would be greatful

Mario

Ok a little looking and I'm thinking its a Chrysler 22 but that
dosen't change much I still want to sail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbaya

wrote in message
...
wrote
I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ...


"Roger Long" wrote:
You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. I wasn't trying to say he
isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here...


No, no, it's my fault

After you, my dear Alphonse.... c'mon you BOZOS! Don't you know how to
have an argument on the Internet?

No wonder USENET is dying!

DSK



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com