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On Nov 22, 7:04*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
...*You'll get better responses if you can
demonstrate that you are a real person with a real boat. ...

I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument but as long as
folks ask on topic questions of a type that can at least potentially
be answered I don't care if the posters are boat owners or cruisers or
what. Why should it matter?

--Tom.

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On Nov 22, 7:04*am, "Roger Long" wrote:


You'll get better responses if you can
demonstrate that you are a real person with a real boat.

Some of the most active members of this group don't actually have boats but
just use this as a place to live out their fantasies and make cutting
remarks about people they envy.

Roger Long

Ya know roger Ive enjoyed myself this fall and just havnt wanted to
spend any time reading this stuff but your reply is just another
reason I belive your self promotion has grown to blatant arrogance. I
for one dont give a **** if he/she is a troll, has a boat, or is just
board. You know sorta why I tollerate your posts here......
Bob

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wrote

I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ...

You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. I wasn't trying to say he
isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here but that he would get
better and more considered answers here if he provides enough information to
assure people that they are real issues and enough data to provide
reasonable answers.

For example, his current question is whether he should take his 28 foot
sailboat down the coast. There is no answer to that. There are 28 foot
boats that shouldn't go across Long Island Sound and 28 foot boats that
could make a safe circumnavigation. All we know is that it has a mast
(maybe). Since he provided links to hundreds of pictures of old VW's and
none of the boat, I'm not inclined to give him any time.

I agree that, "I don't have a boat and have never sailed but think I would
like to try the cruising life.", is an excellent and legitimate question for
this group. You'll notice how few answers Neal got about his refrigeration
problem BTW. If you had asked that question, the thread probably would
have gone half a page.

I was just trying to give him some advice.

--Tom.

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Nice to have you back, Bob.

(Did you get a chance to read the Titanic book? "Titanics Final Secrets",
Brad Matsen, Twelve Books, available at Amazon and fine bookstores
everywhere.)

--
Roger Long

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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:28:20 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

wrote

I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ...

You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. I wasn't trying to say he
isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here but that he would get
better and more considered answers here if he provides enough information to
assure people that they are real issues and enough data to provide
reasonable answers.

For example, his current question is whether he should take his 28 foot
sailboat down the coast. There is no answer to that. There are 28 foot
boats that shouldn't go across Long Island Sound

Long Island Sound is not always as benign as you seem to think Roger.
It has one of the highest average windspeeds on the East Coast, and is
also known for squalls that travel it's length, and can take gentle
rolling 2 foot seas to 7 foot breakers in a matter of minutes, with
winds of 60-70 knots.

The quiet period on LIS is only two months out of twelve. It's not
always guaranteed quiet, then, either.

And, yes, I've sailed in Maine. It has some different challenges, but
not any that are any more difficult to deal with. Someone with your
misinformed attitude could get in a lot of trouble in a hurry down
here.

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On Nov 23, 4:31�am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Nice to have you back, Bob.

(Did you get a chance to read the Titanic book? �"Titanics Final Secrets",
Brad Matsen, Twelve Books, available at Amazon and fine bookstores
everywhere.)

--
Roger Long

LOL I really do have a boat and the question about the east coast trip
is only because most of my crusing has been in the fingerlakes of NY
and ski boating on lakes here in NC.

The wife is half on board with the trip but affaid of being eatten by
sharks(no joke)

I was planning on sailling on one of the larger lakes here a few
weekends 1st to get use to how it handles and to just get a good feel
of it all around.

I told her that all we would be doing is sailing during the day and
find ports to anchor at night. kind of a get nowhere quick.

I'm tring to plan this out for late spring so its no bs just info I'm
looking for Thanks

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wrote

(His usual putting words in the OP's mouth and then turning his words into
an attack on the OP's competence.)

Where did I say LIS was benign? I said there are 28 foot boats that
shouldn't sail across it. Sounds like you would agree.

I'll agree though, is would have been a clearer post to just say "the
harbor". The issue isn't the conditions, I've seen similar in Maine, but
the fact that the area is small enough that you can pick your weather and
seek shelter which isn't always possible going around the NJ shore.

--
Roger Long

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What kind of boat?

How old?

Do you have a survey?

You can get some good information here with some specifics and keeping your
BS detector turned up to maximum sensitivity.

--
Roger Long

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
What kind of boat?

How old?

Do you have a survey?


Oh, give it a rest with the survey crap, why don't you? Why do you
recommend the abdication of personal responsibility with respect to
something he should easily be able to handle himself?

All it takes is to do a little reading and research. There is nothing on a
28-footer that an amateur cannot see and check for himself armed with some
basic knowledge and some small ability to think and analyze.

Professional surveys have their place but not on an older, basic 28-ft
sailboat. It's just not cost effective. The first step towards cruising
should be to know how to evaluate your purchase yourself. If you aren't up
to that simple task then stay ashore. You don't have what it takes.


Wilbur Hubbard

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On 2008-11-22 19:36:09 -0500, " said:

did teach sailing at a boyscout camp on 14' sunfish. so I'm not a
fish out of water here but being this is 28' (foot) I know its not just
something to drag in and out of the water.

Given a choice of crews, I'll take someone who learned on a dink over
someone who only knows big boats. Dinks create real sailors who can
bond with Momma, respect her moods.

First question would be weres a good place on line to find supplies
needed like new sails?

I happen to have found some of the best big-stuff prices at
sailnet.com, but I've found that regularly buying little stuff at the
local chandlery soon gives me a "professional" discount that rivals any
price I can find on the Internet. Probably worst prices and
availability for sailboats are now at West Marine.

Could I sail something this size down the east atlantic coast or would
it be more for large lakes?

I wouldn't hesitate to take Xan (below) down the ICW to FL and the
Bahamas. She's perfect for that, though of course we'd like more space
to spread out. Couple of her sisters have cruised the entirety of the
Caribbean.

Limiting factor really isn't the boat but the crew.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/