On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:30:38 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:23:50 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:

Still working on the escape plan..

What do ya'll think of this one?


It's a great boat but too small for a full time liveaboard in my
opinion. Make sure you get one with the 13 hp diesel, preferably the
Westerbeke because Volvo parts are extremely expensive and the smaller
diesels that were offered are under powered for the boat.

Please tell us something about your sail experience and your plan for
living aboard. The lifestyle is not as easy as you might think,
especially on a small, minimally equipped boat. You should not even
consider it unless you have sufficient funding to stay at a dock with
power, water and laundry facilities.

We met a waitress in Key West 2 years ago who was living aboard a 30
ft sailboat, anchored out, and with a pre-teen daughter to care for.
The engine had long since failed so she had no battery charging
capability or funds to get the engine repaired/replaced. She was was
bringing her batteries ashore in a dinghy every other day and charging
them up at the restaurant where she was trying to eke out a living as
a part timer.

Hope you're a good tipper.

--Vic

On Nov 21, 3:36 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:30:38 -0500, Wayne.B



wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:23:50 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:

Still working on the escape plan..

What do ya'll think of this one?

It's a great boat but too small for a full time liveaboard in my
opinion. Make sure you get one with the 13 hp diesel, preferably the
Westerbeke because Volvo parts are extremely expensive and the smaller
diesels that were offered are under powered for the boat.

Please tell us something about your sail experience and your plan for
living aboard. The lifestyle is not as easy as you might think,
especially on a small, minimally equipped boat. You should not even
consider it unless you have sufficient funding to stay at a dock with
power, water and laundry facilities.

We met a waitress in Key West 2 years ago who was living aboard a 30
ft sailboat, anchored out, and with a pre-teen daughter to care for.
The engine had long since failed so she had no battery charging
capability or funds to get the engine repaired/replaced. She was was
bringing her batteries ashore in a dinghy every other day and charging
them up at the restaurant where she was trying to eke out a living as
a part timer.

Hope you're a good tipper.

--Vic

C'mon everyone. How wrong could you go on an older 28' boat unless
she had serious probs and its a Sabre too. I am sure the price is
within reason unless she is getting suckered. A Sabre 28 for a couple
or even for 3 would be a great starter boat. If you dont mind
roughing it a bit she'll be great. You can afford to do more with a
smaller boat than with a larger one and if it doesnt wok out it isnt a
financial disaster. How many larger boats do you see that never go on
that big cruise? I say, go small and you have a greater chance of
actually doing stuff. Even if NOTHING but the sails work it'll work
out.

C'mon everyone. How wrong could you go on an older 28' boat unless
she had serious probs and its a Sabre too. I am sure the price is
within reason unless she is getting suckered. A Sabre 28 for a couple
or even for 3 would be a great starter boat. If you dont mind
roughing it a bit she'll be great. You can afford to do more with a
smaller boat than with a larger one and if it doesnt wok out it isnt a
financial disaster. How many larger boats do you see that never go on
that big cruise? I say, go small and you have a greater chance of
actually doing stuff. Even if NOTHING but the sails work it'll work
out.

Just finished reading a couple of books I got from the library,, one
by Mr Daniel Spurr .. he wrote just about what you have::

That is:; a good "small" boat that is seaworthy, will allow the new
owner to have money left over after the purchase to outfit the
boat more completely.

His example is a solid, full keel, cruising sailboat,, where the hull, deck,
etc is in good condition. Then, he goes on to write about how he
would replace old sails, running and standing rigging, life lines,
add comfort touches,, add a dinghy/inflatable which can be stored on
deck, or davits ... and on and on..

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:37:11 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:

That is:; a good "small" boat that is seaworthy, will allow the new
owner to have money left over after the purchase to outfit the
boat more completely.

That's an excellent point and most people totally underestimate the
cost of outfitting a boat and the ongoing maintenance costs. Almost
everyone I know that lives aboard does almost all of the maintenance
work themselves. The parts alone are expensive enough.

Perhape Larry would be kind enough to repost his "liveaboard
simulator" one more time for your benefit. There's a lot of truth to
it unfortunately.

On Nov 23, 6:35�am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:37:11 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"

wrote:
That is:; �a good "small" boat that is seaworthy, will allow the new
owner to have money left over after the purchase to outfit the
boat more completely.

That's �an excellent point and most people totally underestimate the
cost of outfitting a boat and the ongoing maintenance costs. � Almost
everyone I know that lives aboard does almost all of the maintenance
work themselves. � The parts alone are expensive enough.

Perhape Larry would be kind enough to repost his "liveaboard
simulator" one more time for your benefit. �There's a lot of truth to
it unfortunately.

people are getting to soft, I don't see how living on a small boat can
be much different then living in a small camper.
I am very interested in what expenses might be for living on a small
boat all summer. And what are normal port cost on east coast?

I bet turning one of the diesel engines to run off cooking oil would
bring cost down, might be a little more work but i'm thinking if all
the lights were led and not needing electricity all that much (im not
a tech person). I have a small stove/refigurator that works off
propane.

I'm not trying to act like I know it all but it doesn't seem like it
would be much different then the cost of one of my VW campers (excpt
Vw's are getting very costly and so is the gas to get there)

wrote:
On Nov 23, 6:35�am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:37:11 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"

wrote:
That is:; �a good "small" boat that is seaworthy, will allow the new
owner to have money left over after the purchase to outfit the
boat more completely.
That's �an excellent point and most people totally underestimate the
cost of outfitting a boat and the ongoing maintenance costs. � Almost
everyone I know that lives aboard does almost all of the maintenance
work themselves. � The parts alone are expensive enough.

Perhape Larry would be kind enough to repost his "liveaboard
simulator" one more time for your benefit. �There's a lot of truth to
it unfortunately.

people are getting to soft, I don't see how living on a small boat can
be much different then living in a small camper.
I am very interested in what expenses might be for living on a small
boat all summer. And what are normal port cost on east coast?

I bet turning one of the diesel engines to run off cooking oil would
bring cost down, might be a little more work but i'm thinking if all
the lights were led and not needing electricity all that much (im not
a tech person). I have a small stove/refigurator that works off
propane.

I'm not trying to act like I know it all but it doesn't seem like it
would be much different then the cost of one of my VW campers (excpt
Vw's are getting very costly and so is the gas to get there)


Propane refer on a sail boat? G

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it will also run 4 hours of a fully charged battery,

On 2008-11-23 10:46:00 -0500, " said:

people are getting to soft, I don't see how living on a small boat can
be much different then living in a small camper.

Depends upon how they live on the boat. Vast difference between staying
at a dock vs. anchoring out, moving from place to place.

I am very interested in what expenses might be for living on a small
boat all summer. And what are normal port cost on east coast?

See above. Anywhere between $2+/ft/night to free for docking; all
restaurant for meals to eating what you catch, and so forth. Can be
near-zero or megabucks, in other words.

Our boat's fairly similar to the Sabre and we're still doing the
work-a-day. No boat payments, dockage and winter storage is about
$3k/yr. Would be less if we didn't haul. No surcharge here for us for
electricity, but we hardly use any. Liveaboards are often not allowed,
but are winked at if they're good neighbors the places we know.

Away from the dock, a past poster's sig rules: "A small boat and a bag
of cash beats a big one tied to the bank every time." Our Xan is simple
and tough, every new item cruising quality, so maintenance is zilch,
operating expenses also while cruising (= not rushing). Eating like the
locals keeps food costs way down.

Best part: with so limited space, there's a real disincentive to buy "stuff".

And the best part: Getting to know the locals, priceless.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:30:07 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

C'mon everyone. How wrong could you go on an older 28' boat unless
she had serious probs and its a Sabre too. I am sure the price is
within reason unless she is getting suckered. A Sabre 28 for a couple
or even for 3 would be a great starter boat. If you dont mind
roughing it a bit she'll be great.

It would be fine for cruising but living aboard full time has a
totally different aspect to it, especially if she is inexperienced or
doesn't understand the down side of the liveaboard lifestyle.

There's a strong possibility that the whole thing is just a troll.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:30:07 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

C'mon everyone. How wrong could you go on an older 28' boat unless
she had serious probs and its a Sabre too. I am sure the price is
within reason unless she is getting suckered. A Sabre 28 for a couple
or even for 3 would be a great starter boat. If you dont mind
roughing it a bit she'll be great.

It would be fine for cruising but living aboard full time has a
totally different aspect to it, especially if she is inexperienced or
doesn't understand the down side of the liveaboard lifestyle.

There's a strong possibility that the whole thing is just a troll.


Why the constant pre-occupation with "trolls?" Makes no sense at all. What
difference does it make if a "troll" starts an on-topic discussion versus a
non troll? Is it not the discussion that one should be concerned with rather
than who started it? Some people around here should grow up and realize
that the universe doesn't revolve around them alone.

Wilbur Hubbard