On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:37:11 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:

That is:; a good "small" boat that is seaworthy, will allow the new
owner to have money left over after the purchase to outfit the
boat more completely.

That's an excellent point and most people totally underestimate the
cost of outfitting a boat and the ongoing maintenance costs. Almost
everyone I know that lives aboard does almost all of the maintenance
work themselves. The parts alone are expensive enough.

Perhape Larry would be kind enough to repost his "liveaboard
simulator" one more time for your benefit. There's a lot of truth to
it unfortunately.

On Nov 23, 6:35�am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:37:11 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"

wrote:
That is:; �a good "small" boat that is seaworthy, will allow the new
owner to have money left over after the purchase to outfit the
boat more completely.

That's �an excellent point and most people totally underestimate the
cost of outfitting a boat and the ongoing maintenance costs. � Almost
everyone I know that lives aboard does almost all of the maintenance
work themselves. � The parts alone are expensive enough.

Perhape Larry would be kind enough to repost his "liveaboard
simulator" one more time for your benefit. �There's a lot of truth to
it unfortunately.

people are getting to soft, I don't see how living on a small boat can
be much different then living in a small camper.
I am very interested in what expenses might be for living on a small
boat all summer. And what are normal port cost on east coast?

I bet turning one of the diesel engines to run off cooking oil would
bring cost down, might be a little more work but i'm thinking if all
the lights were led and not needing electricity all that much (im not
a tech person). I have a small stove/refigurator that works off
propane.

I'm not trying to act like I know it all but it doesn't seem like it
would be much different then the cost of one of my VW campers (excpt
Vw's are getting very costly and so is the gas to get there)

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:30:07 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

C'mon everyone. How wrong could you go on an older 28' boat unless
she had serious probs and its a Sabre too. I am sure the price is
within reason unless she is getting suckered. A Sabre 28 for a couple
or even for 3 would be a great starter boat. If you dont mind
roughing it a bit she'll be great.

It would be fine for cruising but living aboard full time has a
totally different aspect to it, especially if she is inexperienced or
doesn't understand the down side of the liveaboard lifestyle.

There's a strong possibility that the whole thing is just a troll.


Why the constant pre-occupation with "trolls?" Makes no sense at all. What
difference does it make if a "troll" starts an on-topic discussion versus a
non troll? Is it not the discussion that one should be concerned with rather
than who started it? Some people around here should grow up and realize
that the universe doesn't revolve around them alone.

Wilbur Hubbard

wrote:
On Nov 23, 6:35�am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:37:11 GMT, "Janet O'Leary"

wrote:
That is:; �a good "small" boat that is seaworthy, will allow the new
owner to have money left over after the purchase to outfit the
boat more completely.
That's �an excellent point and most people totally underestimate the
cost of outfitting a boat and the ongoing maintenance costs. � Almost
everyone I know that lives aboard does almost all of the maintenance
work themselves. � The parts alone are expensive enough.

Perhape Larry would be kind enough to repost his "liveaboard
simulator" one more time for your benefit. �There's a lot of truth to
it unfortunately.

people are getting to soft, I don't see how living on a small boat can
be much different then living in a small camper.
I am very interested in what expenses might be for living on a small
boat all summer. And what are normal port cost on east coast?

I bet turning one of the diesel engines to run off cooking oil would
bring cost down, might be a little more work but i'm thinking if all
the lights were led and not needing electricity all that much (im not
a tech person). I have a small stove/refigurator that works off
propane.

I'm not trying to act like I know it all but it doesn't seem like it
would be much different then the cost of one of my VW campers (excpt
Vw's are getting very costly and so is the gas to get there)


Propane refer on a sail boat? G

On 2008-11-23 10:46:00 -0500, " said:

people are getting to soft, I don't see how living on a small boat can
be much different then living in a small camper.

Depends upon how they live on the boat. Vast difference between staying
at a dock vs. anchoring out, moving from place to place.

I am very interested in what expenses might be for living on a small
boat all summer. And what are normal port cost on east coast?

See above. Anywhere between $2+/ft/night to free for docking; all
restaurant for meals to eating what you catch, and so forth. Can be
near-zero or megabucks, in other words.

Our boat's fairly similar to the Sabre and we're still doing the
work-a-day. No boat payments, dockage and winter storage is about
$3k/yr. Would be less if we didn't haul. No surcharge here for us for
electricity, but we hardly use any. Liveaboards are often not allowed,
but are winked at if they're good neighbors the places we know.

Away from the dock, a past poster's sig rules: "A small boat and a bag
of cash beats a big one tied to the bank every time." Our Xan is simple
and tough, every new item cruising quality, so maintenance is zilch,
operating expenses also while cruising (= not rushing). Eating like the
locals keeps food costs way down.

Best part: with so limited space, there's a real disincentive to buy "stuff".

And the best part: Getting to know the locals, priceless.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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it will also run 4 hours of a fully charged battery,

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:59:29 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Why the constant pre-occupation with "trolls?" Makes no sense at all. What
difference does it make if a "troll" starts an on-topic discussion versus a
non troll? Is it not the discussion that one should be concerned with rather
than who started it? Some people around here should grow up and realize
that the universe doesn't revolve around them alone.

If you enjoy playing in the world of make believe, and there is a fair
amount of evidence that you do, then go for it.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:59:29 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Why the constant pre-occupation with "trolls?" Makes no sense at all. What
difference does it make if a "troll" starts an on-topic discussion versus
a
non troll? Is it not the discussion that one should be concerned with
rather
than who started it? Some people around here should grow up and realize
that the universe doesn't revolve around them alone.

If you enjoy playing in the world of make believe, and there is a fair
amount of evidence that you do, then go for it.


You act like THIS is reality? Get a grip, dude!

Wilbur Hubbard

On Nov 23, 4:47 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:59:29 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Why the constant pre-occupation with "trolls?" Makes no sense at all. What
difference does it make if a "troll" starts an on-topic discussion versus
a
non troll? Is it not the discussion that one should be concerned with
rather
than who started it? Some people around here should grow up and realize
that the universe doesn't revolve around them alone.

If you enjoy playing in the world of make believe, and there is a fair
amount of evidence that you do, then go for it.

You act like THIS is reality? Get a grip, dude!

Wilbur Hubbard

My wife and I spent 3 months in a backpacking tent when we were
married and still spend at least a month each year sleeping in a tent
so when we spend time on the 28' boat, it is luxury by comparison.
Try it, that 28' boat will not cost you and arm and leg and will allow
you to figure out if you like it. Will probably need to replace the
standing rigging on most older boats and the 28' wont break you
toooooooo much. You can also find reasonable used sails for her.
Throw away the old alcohol stove and get one of the Magma gas grills
so you can cook off the stern. Throw away the old marine head and
replace it with a good porta potti and then your life becomes much
simpler.
I dunno where the poster lives but such a boat could cruise all over
any of our coasts and to the Bahamas or the Caribbean or Mexico, etc.
Do it, do it, do it (if she's in good shape).

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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troll sh*t removed
My wife and I spent 3 months in a backpacking tent when we were
married and still spend at least a month each year sleeping in a tent
so when we spend time on the 28' boat, it is luxury by comparison.
Try it, that 28' boat will not cost you and arm and leg and will allow
you to figure out if you like it. Will probably need to replace the
standing rigging on most older boats and the 28' wont break you
toooooooo much. You can also find reasonable used sails for her.
Throw away the old alcohol stove and get one of the Magma gas grills
so you can cook off the stern. Throw away the old marine head and
replace it with a good porta potti and then your life becomes much
simpler.
I dunno where the poster lives but such a boat could cruise all over
any of our coasts and to the Bahamas or the Caribbean or Mexico, etc.
Do it, do it, do it (if she's in good shape).


Depends on the alcohol stove. My Origo (low pressure) works fine. I also
have a propane grill on the stern.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com