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Roger Long November 16th 08 12:02 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
I need to make a hatch frame that involves some complex curved rabbets and
am thinking of using Star Board so as not to wind up with more wood trim
that needs re-finishing.

How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.

--
Roger Long




[email protected] November 16th 08 02:14 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:02:51 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

I need to make a hatch frame that involves some complex curved rabbets and
am thinking of using Star Board so as not to wind up with more wood trim
that needs re-finishing.

How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.


I use regular woodworking tools on Starboard. High speed tends to melt
it, but otherwise it's very easy to work. Rather then chisels and
such, you would be better off with a rotozip or die grinder with
various attachments, such as a small drum sander and a side cutting
drill bit.

I don't have A/C on my boat so I bought an inexpensive Ryobi rotary
tool at Home Depot that has proven very handy on the boat. Takes all
the standard dremel and roto zip bits. The EZ metal cutoff wheel has
been very handy and effective for flush cutting excess length from
bolts.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100007658&N=10000003+9 0401+502400


I have a bunch of Ryobi 18 volt tools, so I already had the batteries
for it. Ryobi tools are inexpensive, work well and they all take the
universal "one fit" 18 volt battery.


Garland Gray November 16th 08 02:28 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
Can't say much about hand tools, but I've dressed the edges of Starboard
with a shaper, and it gave a real smooth cut.
I guess you are aware of Starboard's high coefficient of thermal expansion.
You also need special glue, otherwise, mechanical fasteners.

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I need to make a hatch frame that involves some complex curved rabbets and
am thinking of using Star Board so as not to wind up with more wood trim
that needs re-finishing.

How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery
in this regard.

--
Roger Long




Jere Lull November 16th 08 07:07 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On 2008-11-16 07:02:51 -0500, "Roger Long" said:

I need to make a hatch frame that involves some complex curved rabbets and
am thinking of using Star Board so as not to wind up with more wood trim
that needs re-finishing.

How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.


I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


cavelamb himself[_4_] November 16th 08 07:21 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:02:51 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:


I need to make a hatch frame that involves some complex curved rabbets and
am thinking of using Star Board so as not to wind up with more wood trim
that needs re-finishing.

How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.



I use regular woodworking tools on Starboard. High speed tends to melt
it, but otherwise it's very easy to work. Rather then chisels and
such, you would be better off with a rotozip or die grinder with
various attachments, such as a small drum sander and a side cutting
drill bit.

I don't have A/C on my boat so I bought an inexpensive Ryobi rotary
tool at Home Depot that has proven very handy on the boat. Takes all
the standard dremel and roto zip bits. The EZ metal cutoff wheel has
been very handy and effective for flush cutting excess length from
bolts.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100007658&N=10000003+9 0401+502400


I have a bunch of Ryobi 18 volt tools, so I already had the batteries
for it. Ryobi tools are inexpensive, work well and they all take the
universal "one fit" 18 volt battery.



Aw Dog, you put me to shame here.
I'm still lost is 12 volt land.


I'll upgrade - some day...
--

Richard

(remove the X to email)

Capt.Bill November 16th 08 08:00 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Nov 16, 2:07*pm, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-16 07:02:51 -0500, "Roger Long" said:

I need to make a hatch frame that involves some complex curved rabbets and
am thinking of using Star Board so as not to wind up with more wood trim
that needs re-finishing.


How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? *I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.


I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages:http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips:http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


It doesn't discolor in the sun. And it doesn't seem to be effected by
most common cleaners.

"King StarBoard® is known for its ability to endure the constant
punishment of the sun, water and weather in harsh marine environments.
It won’t rot, warp, discolor or delaminate and it never needs painting
or refinishing. This makes it a smarter option than wood, wood
laminates and ordinary plastic. King StarBoard maintains its shape,
color and finish for a lifetime of worry-free use. Cleanup is a snap
with common household cleaners."


Capt. Bill

[email protected] November 16th 08 11:10 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:07:07 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-11-16 07:02:51 -0500, "Roger Long" said:

I need to make a hatch frame that involves some complex curved rabbets and
am thinking of using Star Board so as not to wind up with more wood trim
that needs re-finishing.

How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.


I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....


Nope. I've used it for a number of things, including the mounting pad
for my outboard bracket, and after 5 years, that pad still llooks
exactly like the day I installed it. It's not all that soft. It's very
similar to the HDPE used for commercial kitchen cutting boards, except
it has been UV stabilized.


Wayne.B November 17th 08 02:41 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:10:05 -0500, wrote:

Nope. I've used it for a number of things, including the mounting pad
for my outboard bracket, and after 5 years, that pad still llooks
exactly like the day I installed it. It's not all that soft. It's very
similar to the HDPE used for commercial kitchen cutting boards, except
it has been UV stabilized.


Can you get it at Home Depot or Lowes? If not, what's a good source?

As an FYI, it is very easy to run 110 volt tools onboard using an
inexpensive inverter.


Jere Lull November 17th 08 05:10 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On 2008-11-16 18:10:05 -0500, said:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:07:07 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:


I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....


Nope. I've used it for a number of things, including the mounting pad
for my outboard bracket, and after 5 years, that pad still looks
exactly like the day I installed it. It's not all that soft. It's very
similar to the HDPE used for commercial kitchen cutting boards, except
it has been UV stabilized.


I don't disagree with you at all on cutting boards or the outboard's
mount since each is relatively protected. I simply suggest from my
experience that the material is soft and subject to over-optimistic
claims of invulnerability.
--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages:
http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


[email protected] November 17th 08 09:44 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? *I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.



It will dull the edge quicker than wood, but other than that it's just
fine. Doesn't respond well to fine-grit sandpaper though, you've got
to cut a good edge or surface and leave it.

Jere Lull wrote:
I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....


Nope. I'm not sure how long they've been making the stuff... ~15
years? Anyway, I know of several people who have used it for exterior
projects more than ten years ago, and it still looks like new.
Disgusting.... it ain't natural I tell you!

The problem I have- it's not very strong.... it's very heavy ... it's
very expensive (almost as much as teak)

I found that the plastic lumber they sell at Lowe's or Home Depot for
building porches & decks is a good substitute, as long as you don't
want pristine white. It's also heavy, not very strong, and dulls
tools, but the stuff is made from recycled plastic and is cheaper than
all but the cheapest grade of wood.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



[email protected] November 17th 08 11:32 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:10:52 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-11-16 18:10:05 -0500, said:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:07:07 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:


I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....


Nope. I've used it for a number of things, including the mounting pad
for my outboard bracket, and after 5 years, that pad still looks
exactly like the day I installed it. It's not all that soft. It's very
similar to the HDPE used for commercial kitchen cutting boards, except
it has been UV stabilized.


I don't disagree with you at all on cutting boards or the outboard's
mount since each is relatively protected. I simply suggest from my
experience that the material is soft and subject to over-optimistic
claims of invulnerability.


Oh, the outboard pad is inches from all that nasty salt water that was
mentioned. It is also out in the sun 24/7/365. It still looks exactly
as it did the day I installed it those many years ago. It will last as
long as the rest of the boat. That was just one example, anyway. I
have plenty of other things made from it all over the boat. Most of it
is far older than the outboard pad. I mentioned cutting boards,
because of your claims that it is soft. It seems to be tough enough to
have sharp knives dragged across it constantly in restaurant kitchens
without having much damage. The only thing that might be regarded as
"soft" is that it is not as structurally rigid as plywood. I wouldn't
recommend it as flooring. In what way did you find it soft, and what
are the details of your starboard that discolored from exposure to the
sun and salt? I'm curious.




[email protected] November 17th 08 11:41 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:44:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:

How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? *I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.



It will dull the edge quicker than wood, but other than that it's just
fine. Doesn't respond well to fine-grit sandpaper though, you've got
to cut a good edge or surface and leave it.


I've had pretty good luck on a couple of items where the round over
wasn't perfectly clean, by wet sanding, followed by a few passes with
a heat gun.


Vic Smith November 17th 08 12:32 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:32:13 -0500, wrote:



Oh, the outboard pad is inches from all that nasty salt water that was
mentioned. It is also out in the sun 24/7/365. It still looks exactly
as it did the day I installed it those many years ago. It will last as
long as the rest of the boat. That was just one example, anyway. I
have plenty of other things made from it all over the boat. Most of it
is far older than the outboard pad. I mentioned cutting boards,
because of your claims that it is soft. It seems to be tough enough to
have sharp knives dragged across it constantly in restaurant kitchens
without having much damage. The only thing that might be regarded as
"soft" is that it is not as structurally rigid as plywood. I wouldn't
recommend it as flooring. In what way did you find it soft, and what
are the details of your starboard that discolored from exposure to the
sun and salt? I'm curious.

I've seen Starboard recommended often on Carolina Skiff forums for
mounting sounder transponders and other stuff on the stern.
A Starboard plate is screwed in and sealed, and further attachments
that might change over time are affixed to the Starboard without
making more holes in the hull.
Salt water and submerged. Looks like it doesn't deteriorate.

--Vic

Good Solder Schweik November 17th 08 01:54 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:34:40 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:41:49 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:10:05 -0500,
wrote:

Nope. I've used it for a number of things, including the mounting pad
for my outboard bracket, and after 5 years, that pad still llooks
exactly like the day I installed it. It's not all that soft. It's very
similar to the HDPE used for commercial kitchen cutting boards, except
it has been UV stabilized.


Can you get it at Home Depot or Lowes? If not, what's a good source?

As an FYI, it is very easy to run 110 volt tools onboard using an
inexpensive inverter.


What a piker! Corded power tools are a decided disadvantage on a boat.
Go climb the mast dragging an extension cord and 110 volt drill in the
rain and get back to us, Mr. Experience!



Try drilling a half inch hole in a piece of 1/4 inch stainless on the
mast head fitting with your puny little battery drill. you'll
understand why the A.C. equipment is needed.

Cheers,

Schwiek
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)

Wayne.B November 17th 08 02:35 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:34:40 -0500, wrote:

Go climb the mast dragging an extension cord and 110 volt drill in the
rain and get back to us, Mr. Experience!


Experienced enough not to climb a mast in the rain.


Edgar November 17th 08 03:17 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 

"Good Solder Schweik" wrote in message
...
Try drilling a half inch hole in a piece of 1/4 inch stainless on the
mast head fitting with your puny little battery drill. you'll
understand why the A.C. equipment is needed.


I needed to drill a 1/4 hole in a thick stainless bracket on deck so I could
fix a shackle for the end of a jackstay.
I blunted three HSS drills without making much impression at all so went to
a really good tool shop they have here and explained the problem.
They sold me a cobalt steel drill especially intended for stainless and it
went through the stuff as if it was not there, producing long unbroken
strands of swarf that looked like springs.
It was a very expensive drill but the job was done in a few minutes and the
cost of several ordinary drills and lots of my time saved was worth it.
After the job was finished the cobalt steel drill still looked and felt so
sharp that it might have been new.



[email protected] November 17th 08 05:00 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
wrote:
It's doubtful you have ever climbed a mast. You claim to have tried
sailing long ago, but it's pretty obvious why you now wallow around in
a floating RV. Sailing was beyond your capabilities.


Poor saltie/krusty/BB

Ooo just can't take anybody disagreeing wif 'oo,

Aw did the big scary sailor man make 'oo feel bad?

DSK

Jere Lull November 17th 08 07:59 PM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On 2008-11-17 12:05:02 -0500, Dave said:

So you've climbed your mast in the rain with your battery powered drill?


Hey, I've been up the mast with a GFI protected 120 after the battery
operated tool died. Extension cords are a bitch, but easier to drag up
than my massive body.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


[email protected] November 18th 08 12:25 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Nov 17, 12:20*pm, wrote:
Poor Wayne needs another semi-sailor to defend him!


Wayne's not poor, and he's done quite a lot of real sailing.
That must be why you are so bitter & envy him so much, Saltie/BB.

DSK






Wayne.B November 18th 08 12:29 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:46 +0100, "Edgar"
wrote:

I needed to drill a 1/4 hole in a thick stainless bracket on deck so I could
fix a shackle for the end of a jackstay.
I blunted three HSS drills without making much impression at all so went to
a really good tool shop they have here and explained the problem.
They sold me a cobalt steel drill especially intended for stainless and it
went through the stuff as if it was not there, producing long unbroken
strands of swarf that looked like springs.
It was a very expensive drill but the job was done in a few minutes and the
cost of several ordinary drills and lots of my time saved was worth it.
After the job was finished the cobalt steel drill still looked and felt so
sharp that it might have been new.


You can drill SS with ordinary bits but you need a *lot* of pressure
to keep it from work hardening, easy in a drill press, not so much up
the mast on a rainy day with a battery drill motor. :-)


[email protected] November 18th 08 01:30 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:25:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 17, 12:20*pm, wrote:
Poor Wayne needs another semi-sailor to defend him!


Wayne's not poor, and he's done quite a lot of real sailing.
That must be why you are so bitter & envy him so much, Saltie/BB.

DSK


The only one poorer than Whiney Wayne in this exchange is you. It's
understandable why you look up to him.


[email protected] November 18th 08 01:32 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:29:47 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:46 +0100, "Edgar"
wrote:

I needed to drill a 1/4 hole in a thick stainless bracket on deck so I could
fix a shackle for the end of a jackstay.
I blunted three HSS drills without making much impression at all so went to
a really good tool shop they have here and explained the problem.
They sold me a cobalt steel drill especially intended for stainless and it
went through the stuff as if it was not there, producing long unbroken
strands of swarf that looked like springs.
It was a very expensive drill but the job was done in a few minutes and the
cost of several ordinary drills and lots of my time saved was worth it.
After the job was finished the cobalt steel drill still looked and felt so
sharp that it might have been new.


You can drill SS with ordinary bits but you need a *lot* of pressure
to keep it from work hardening, easy in a drill press, not so much up
the mast on a rainy day with a battery drill motor. :-)


Poor Wayne sure seems to have a lot of trouble with doing simple
things.


Good Solder Schweik November 18th 08 01:46 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:25:00 -0500, wrote:

On 17 Nov 2008 11:05:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:55:40 -0500,
said:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:34:40 -0500,
wrote:

Go climb the mast dragging an extension cord and 110 volt drill in the
rain and get back to us, Mr. Experience!

Experienced enough not to climb a mast in the rain.

It's doubtful you have ever climbed a mast. You claim to have tried
sailing long ago, but it's pretty obvious why you now wallow around in
a floating RV. Sailing was beyond your capabilities.


So you've climbed your mast in the rain with your battery powered drill?


As a matter of fact, yes I have. It's about a 45 minute drive to my
boat. If I go there to do something, I'm hardly going to let a little
rain stop me. Wayne can't go outside when it's raining. It's far too
harsh for him. That's why he does his boating indoors.



I had promised to trash can you but this post made me break my
promise.

You mean that with all your posts about being a REAL sailor..... You
DON'T live on your boat; that you are really just a week-end ******
spouting the "knowledge" you have gained by reading YACHTING?
..
my faith in human nature is destroyed. Distroyed, I say! Back into the
garbage can with you and yours!
Cheers,

Schwiek
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)

Good Solder Schweik November 18th 08 01:55 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:46 +0100, "Edgar"
wrote:


"Good Solder Schweik" wrote in message
.. .
Try drilling a half inch hole in a piece of 1/4 inch stainless on the
mast head fitting with your puny little battery drill. you'll
understand why the A.C. equipment is needed.


I needed to drill a 1/4 hole in a thick stainless bracket on deck so I could
fix a shackle for the end of a jackstay.
I blunted three HSS drills without making much impression at all so went to
a really good tool shop they have here and explained the problem.
They sold me a cobalt steel drill especially intended for stainless and it
went through the stuff as if it was not there, producing long unbroken
strands of swarf that looked like springs.
It was a very expensive drill but the job was done in a few minutes and the
cost of several ordinary drills and lots of my time saved was worth it.
After the job was finished the cobalt steel drill still looked and felt so
sharp that it might have been new.

You can drill stainless with normal High Speed Steel drills. The
secret is that stainless work hardens easily so you must run the drill
at low RPM with high feed pressure.

Try it in a spare moment. Use a sharp, say 1/4", HSS drill bit. Ram it
into the work with about all the strength you have and just jog the
trigger, if a hand drill, or use the lowest sped if a drill press.
With a little practice you will be able to drill stainless as (well,
almost as) easily as mild steel.

for the nay sayers that inhabit this site: I've been machining
stainless for more then forty years and speak from experience -- not
from the pages of a magazine.
Cheers,

Schwiek
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)

Wayne.B November 18th 08 02:31 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:46:30 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote:

You mean that with all your posts about being a REAL sailor..... You
DON'T live on your boat; that you are really just a week-end ******
spouting the "knowledge" you have gained by reading YACHTING?


He signed up for USCG's "local boater" option.


Jere Lull November 18th 08 08:20 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On 2008-11-17 19:29:47 -0500, Wayne.B said:

You can drill SS with ordinary bits but you need a *lot* of pressure
to keep it from work hardening, easy in a drill press, not so much up
the mast on a rainy day with a battery drill motor. :-)


Been there, found that cobalt was considerably easier, finished the
part of our job that it could do as easily as drilling hardwood
(couldn't find 25/64ths in cobalt, so used a 3/8 cobalt to do the heavy
lifting and destroyed a few "soft" 25/64" HSS bits to finish up.)

Good bits are well worth the expense.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


[email protected] November 18th 08 11:35 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:31:50 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:46:30 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote:

You mean that with all your posts about being a REAL sailor..... You
DON'T live on your boat; that you are really just a week-end ******
spouting the "knowledge" you have gained by reading YACHTING?


He signed up for USCG's "local boater" option.


There is a new word in the lexicon for failed sailors such as Wayne
and Dougboat. They are SAILURES


[email protected] November 18th 08 11:36 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:55:01 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:46 +0100, "Edgar"
wrote:


"Good Solder Schweik" wrote in message
. ..
Try drilling a half inch hole in a piece of 1/4 inch stainless on the
mast head fitting with your puny little battery drill. you'll
understand why the A.C. equipment is needed.


I needed to drill a 1/4 hole in a thick stainless bracket on deck so I could
fix a shackle for the end of a jackstay.
I blunted three HSS drills without making much impression at all so went to
a really good tool shop they have here and explained the problem.
They sold me a cobalt steel drill especially intended for stainless and it
went through the stuff as if it was not there, producing long unbroken
strands of swarf that looked like springs.
It was a very expensive drill but the job was done in a few minutes and the
cost of several ordinary drills and lots of my time saved was worth it.
After the job was finished the cobalt steel drill still looked and felt so
sharp that it might have been new.

You can drill stainless with normal High Speed Steel drills. The
secret is that stainless work hardens easily so you must run the drill
at low RPM with high feed pressure.


You mean low speed, high torque, as supplied by my battery powered
drill? Amazing!


cavelamb himself[_4_] November 18th 08 11:51 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:31:50 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:46:30 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote:


You mean that with all your posts about being a REAL sailor..... You
DON'T live on your boat; that you are really just a week-end ******
spouting the "knowledge" you have gained by reading YACHTING?


He signed up for USCG's "local boater" option.



There is a new word in the lexicon for failed sailors such as Wayne
and Dougboat. They are SAILURES



Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?

--

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Good Solder Schweik November 18th 08 12:22 PM

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:31:50 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:46:30 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote:

You mean that with all your posts about being a REAL sailor..... You
DON'T live on your boat; that you are really just a week-end ******
spouting the "knowledge" you have gained by reading YACHTING?


He signed up for USCG's "local boater" option.



I can't make up my mind whether he is one of Wilbur's sock puppets or
whether he so hero worships Willie the ****** that tries his feeble
utmost to be like him.

But in either event the best place for him is straight down the old
crapper.
Cheers,

Schwiek
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)

[email protected] November 18th 08 03:00 PM

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wrote:
There is a new word in the lexicon for failed sailors such as Wayne
and Dougboat. They are SAILURES


You mean like this?
http://data.sailboatowners.com/photos/1225650723.jpg

cavelamb himself wrote:
Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?


Because he's a bitter little man who has never accomplished much.

He seems to have learned to not stalk people on the internet, though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King




Jere Lull November 18th 08 05:15 PM

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On 2008-11-18 06:35:04 -0500, said:

There is a new word in the lexicon for failed sailors such as Wayne
and Dougboat. They are SAILURES


Oh, I LIKE the new word; haven't much clue about the people so
attacked, but I like the word.

Depending on the poster, my wife and I could be labeled sailures, but
we enjoy the hell out of what sailing we can do while in the work-a-day
world.

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Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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Jere Lull November 18th 08 05:51 PM

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On 2008-11-18 12:34:59 -0500, said:

I've read enough of your posts to know that you are no sailure!


Thank you.

Agree or disagree as we do on other subjects, that really did make me
feel better, and I've need of that due to other things happening in my
life.

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Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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cavelamb himself[_4_] November 18th 08 08:40 PM

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wrote:

wrote:

There is a new word in the lexicon for failed sailors such as Wayne
and Dougboat. They are SAILURES



You mean like this?
http://data.sailboatowners.com/photos/1225650723.jpg

cavelamb himself wrote:

Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?



Because he's a bitter little man who has never accomplished much.

He seems to have learned to not stalk people on the internet, though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King




et tu, Doug?

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[email protected] November 18th 08 10:04 PM

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Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?


wrote:
Because he's a bitter little man who has never accomplished much.


He seems to have learned to not stalk people on the internet, though.



cavelamb himself wrote:
et tu, Doug?


Well, *he* started it. And he's a lot more hurt by the truth than I am
by
his slander. For example, you might consider asking Saltie/Krusty/BB
why he's changed his ID so many times.

DSK


[email protected] November 18th 08 11:37 PM

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?



wrote:
Because he's a bitter little man who has never accomplished much.


He seems to have learned to not stalk people on the internet, though.



cavelamb himself wrote:
et tu, Doug?


Well, *he* started it. And he's a lot more hurt by the truth than I am
by
his slander. For example, you might consider asking Saltie/Krusty/BB
why he's changed his ID so many times.

DSK


Starting to get the picture about Dougy, Cavelamb?


cavelamb himself[_4_] November 19th 08 12:03 AM

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wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:10 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?

wrote:

Because he's a bitter little man who has never accomplished much.

He seems to have learned to not stalk people on the internet, though.

cavelamb himself wrote:

et tu, Doug?


Well, *he* started it. And he's a lot more hurt by the truth than I am
by
his slander. For example, you might consider asking Saltie/Krusty/BB
why he's changed his ID so many times.

DSK



Starting to get the picture about Dougy, Cavelamb?



I'm wondering about a whole lot of people on the net these days.

WAY too many people acting out in ways that wouldn't be accepted in person.

It's getting to the point of diminishing returns.

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Bruce in Bangkok[_9_] November 19th 08 01:13 AM

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:51:38 -0600, cavelamb himself
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:31:50 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:46:30 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote:


You mean that with all your posts about being a REAL sailor..... You
DON'T live on your boat; that you are really just a week-end ******
spouting the "knowledge" you have gained by reading YACHTING?

He signed up for USCG's "local boater" option.



There is a new word in the lexicon for failed sailors such as Wayne
and Dougboat. They are SAILURES



Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?


Because he has such a pitiful small, twisted, inadequate self esteem
that the only way he has of appeasing his tiny ego is by attempting to
defame others.

In his eyes, if he can disparage everyone else, that leaves him
standing tall, above the common herd.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok[_9_] November 19th 08 01:18 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:04:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?



wrote:
Because he's a bitter little man who has never accomplished much.


He seems to have learned to not stalk people on the internet, though.



cavelamb himself wrote:
et tu, Doug?


Well, *he* started it. And he's a lot more hurt by the truth than I am
by
his slander. For example, you might consider asking Saltie/Krusty/BB
why he's changed his ID so many times.

DSK



Of course, because he is terrified that someone will discover who he
is. One of the causes of his insufficient ego is the fact that he is a
coward.

Try e-mailing the address he posts for a reply to see how brave he is
- "mail can't be delivered"

Cheers,

Bruce
(bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Brian Whatcott November 19th 08 01:57 AM

Question for anyone who has worked with Star Board
 
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:51:38 -0600, cavelamb himself
wrote:

There is a new word in the lexicon for failed sailors such as Wayne
and Dougboat. They are SAILURES


Why are you so big on putting people down, Dog?


Good question. My thoughts turned to 'sock-puppet' a while ago,
but I could be wrong, there's more than one on a group....

Brian W.



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