[Wayne.B]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:34:40 -0500, wrote:

Go climb the mast dragging an extension cord and 110 volt drill in the
rain and get back to us, Mr. Experience!

Experienced enough not to climb a mast in the rain.

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wrote:
It's doubtful you have ever climbed a mast. You claim to have tried
sailing long ago, but it's pretty obvious why you now wallow around in
a floating RV. Sailing was beyond your capabilities.

Poor saltie/krusty/BB

Ooo just can't take anybody disagreeing wif 'oo,

Aw did the big scary sailor man make 'oo feel bad?

DSK

[Jere Lull]

On 2008-11-17 12:05:02 -0500, Dave said:

So you've climbed your mast in the rain with your battery powered drill?

Hey, I've been up the mast with a GFI protected 120 after the battery
operated tool died. Extension cords are a bitch, but easier to drag up
than my massive body.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

[Good Solder Schweik]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:25:00 -0500, wrote:

On 17 Nov 2008 11:05:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:55:40 -0500, said:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:34:40 -0500, wrote:

Go climb the mast dragging an extension cord and 110 volt drill in the
rain and get back to us, Mr. Experience!

Experienced enough not to climb a mast in the rain.

It's doubtful you have ever climbed a mast. You claim to have tried
sailing long ago, but it's pretty obvious why you now wallow around in
a floating RV. Sailing was beyond your capabilities.

So you've climbed your mast in the rain with your battery powered drill?

As a matter of fact, yes I have. It's about a 45 minute drive to my
boat. If I go there to do something, I'm hardly going to let a little
rain stop me. Wayne can't go outside when it's raining. It's far too
harsh for him. That's why he does his boating indoors.


I had promised to trash can you but this post made me break my
promise.

You mean that with all your posts about being a REAL sailor..... You
DON'T live on your boat; that you are really just a week-end ******
spouting the "knowledge" you have gained by reading YACHTING?
..
my faith in human nature is destroyed. Distroyed, I say! Back into the
garbage can with you and yours!
Cheers,

Schwiek
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)

[Jere Lull]

On 2008-11-16 18:10:05 -0500, said:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:07:07 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....

Nope. I've used it for a number of things, including the mounting pad
for my outboard bracket, and after 5 years, that pad still looks
exactly like the day I installed it. It's not all that soft. It's very
similar to the HDPE used for commercial kitchen cutting boards, except
it has been UV stabilized.

I don't disagree with you at all on cutting boards or the outboard's
mount since each is relatively protected. I simply suggest from my
experience that the material is soft and subject to over-optimistic
claims of invulnerability.
--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:10:52 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-11-16 18:10:05 -0500, said:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:07:07 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....

Nope. I've used it for a number of things, including the mounting pad
for my outboard bracket, and after 5 years, that pad still looks
exactly like the day I installed it. It's not all that soft. It's very
similar to the HDPE used for commercial kitchen cutting boards, except
it has been UV stabilized.

I don't disagree with you at all on cutting boards or the outboard's
mount since each is relatively protected. I simply suggest from my
experience that the material is soft and subject to over-optimistic
claims of invulnerability.

Oh, the outboard pad is inches from all that nasty salt water that was
mentioned. It is also out in the sun 24/7/365. It still looks exactly
as it did the day I installed it those many years ago. It will last as
long as the rest of the boat. That was just one example, anyway. I
have plenty of other things made from it all over the boat. Most of it
is far older than the outboard pad. I mentioned cutting boards,
because of your claims that it is soft. It seems to be tough enough to
have sharp knives dragged across it constantly in restaurant kitchens
without having much damage. The only thing that might be regarded as
"soft" is that it is not as structurally rigid as plywood. I wouldn't
recommend it as flooring. In what way did you find it soft, and what
are the details of your starboard that discolored from exposure to the
sun and salt? I'm curious.

[Vic Smith]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:32:13 -0500, wrote:



Oh, the outboard pad is inches from all that nasty salt water that was
mentioned. It is also out in the sun 24/7/365. It still looks exactly
as it did the day I installed it those many years ago. It will last as
long as the rest of the boat. That was just one example, anyway. I
have plenty of other things made from it all over the boat. Most of it
is far older than the outboard pad. I mentioned cutting boards,
because of your claims that it is soft. It seems to be tough enough to
have sharp knives dragged across it constantly in restaurant kitchens
without having much damage. The only thing that might be regarded as
"soft" is that it is not as structurally rigid as plywood. I wouldn't
recommend it as flooring. In what way did you find it soft, and what
are the details of your starboard that discolored from exposure to the
sun and salt? I'm curious.

I've seen Starboard recommended often on Carolina Skiff forums for
mounting sounder transponders and other stuff on the stern.
A Starboard plate is screwed in and sealed, and further attachments
that might change over time are affixed to the Starboard without
making more holes in the hull.
Salt water and submerged. Looks like it doesn't deteriorate.

--Vic

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How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? *I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.


It will dull the edge quicker than wood, but other than that it's just
fine. Doesn't respond well to fine-grit sandpaper though, you've got
to cut a good edge or surface and leave it.

Jere Lull wrote:
I think SaltyDog covered the "working" aspects of it, but I wonder
about the longevity of the stuff. It's soft and I expect likely to
discolor fairly quickly if it's left in the sun, subject to the harsh
chemicals of cleaning, abuse of scrubbing....


Nope. I'm not sure how long they've been making the stuff... ~15
years? Anyway, I know of several people who have used it for exterior
projects more than ten years ago, and it still looks like new.
Disgusting.... it ain't natural I tell you!

The problem I have- it's not very strong.... it's very heavy ... it's
very expensive (almost as much as teak)

I found that the plastic lumber they sell at Lowe's or Home Depot for
building porches & decks is a good substitute, as long as you don't
want pristine white. It's also heavy, not very strong, and dulls
tools, but the stuff is made from recycled plastic and is cheaper than
all but the cheapest grade of wood.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:44:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:

How easily does Star Board work with a chisel, planes, and similar hand
tools? *I've worked with some other fake woods and they are pretty ornery in
this regard.


It will dull the edge quicker than wood, but other than that it's just
fine. Doesn't respond well to fine-grit sandpaper though, you've got
to cut a good edge or surface and leave it.


I've had pretty good luck on a couple of items where the round over
wasn't perfectly clean, by wet sanding, followed by a few passes with
a heat gun.