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Fixing Aluminium cleats with stainless bolts
Hi all,
I have bought some aluminium mooring cleats with holes threaded in the underside to be fixed with bolts from under the deck. I know there are isues with stainless and aluminium but as there should be no water ingress to the threads is it ok to use stainless bolts? Or is there still going to be corrosion. It's just that I have a load in stock and I'd rather not go and buy a load more in alloy! On another issue, I have the fairleads to go with them, but these need to be screwed with a wood screw from above into the beam shelf. I don't see anybody selling alloy wood screws so I suppose its stainless there. So (as salt water is going to be continually sprayed over them) should there be some sort of protection (paste or plastic) between the screw and the fitting? Pete |
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Pete,
Your aluminium mooring cleats will be anodised, hope so anyway. This helps resist corrosion. Where stainless steel fasteners or other parts are in contact with aluminium parts the joints should be smeared with a zinc chromate corrosion inhibiting paste such as Duralac. This is a bright yellow paste, you can buy a tube from a chandler or from the internet for about £10. If stainless steel fasteners fitted into aluminium are exposed to salt water you will get corrosion of the aluminium to white corrosion product, the inhibiting paste certainly helps to reduce this. Allthough this combination of materials is not ideal, it is the best practical solution for much hardware on sailing boats, obviously there are a great many aluminium masts with stainless steel fittings attached and they last a long time. As for aluminium wood screws, they do exist, as you can tell from an internet search, but as far as I am aware they are not something you can buy from high street shops. John "pete" wrote in message ... Hi all, I have bought some aluminium mooring cleats with holes threaded in the underside to be fixed with bolts from under the deck. I know there are isues with stainless and aluminium but as there should be no water ingress to the threads is it ok to use stainless bolts? Or is there still going to be corrosion. It's just that I have a load in stock and I'd rather not go and buy a load more in alloy! On another issue, I have the fairleads to go with them, but these need to be screwed with a wood screw from above into the beam shelf. I don't see anybody selling alloy wood screws so I suppose its stainless there. So (as salt water is going to be continually sprayed over them) should there be some sort of protection (paste or plastic) between the screw and the fitting? Pete |
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From my experience with stainless winch mounting screws into aluminium
mast, the major issue is getting them out if you ever have to. Last time, I had to drill them out :-( |
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Pete,
The only serious issue with stainless in salt water is crevis corrosion and as this is not under water, that problem is not severe. However the big risk is electrolytic corrosion because of the dissililar metals. The solution is to prevent moisture from migrating along the thread and becoming an electrolite. To prevent that and allow easy extraction use an anti-sieze compond found in auto supply stores. When using stainless wood screws to fasten the fairleads, use a bedding compound around the screws and under the base. Steve "pete" wrote in message ... Hi all, I have bought some aluminium mooring cleats with holes threaded in the underside to be fixed with bolts from under the deck. I know there are isues with stainless and aluminium but as there should be no water ingress to the threads is it ok to use stainless bolts? Or is there still going to be corrosion. It's just that I have a load in stock and I'd rather not go and buy a load more in alloy! On another issue, I have the fairleads to go with them, but these need to be screwed with a wood screw from above into the beam shelf. I don't see anybody selling alloy wood screws so I suppose its stainless there. So (as salt water is going to be continually sprayed over them) should there be some sort of protection (paste or plastic) between the screw and the fitting? Pete |
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"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Pete, The only serious issue with stainless in salt water is crevis corrosion and as this is not under water, that problem is not severe. However the big risk is electrolytic corrosion because of the dissililar metals. The solution is to prevent moisture from migrating along the thread and becoming an electrolite. To prevent that and allow easy extraction use an anti-sieze compond found in auto supply stores. When using stainless wood screws to fasten the fairleads, use a bedding compound around the screws and under the base. Steve I like Tefgel http://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=tefgel_infor when mixing metals. Common anti-seize is silicone and graphite powder and the silicone will wash away. MMC |
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:01:57 -0400, "mmc" wrote:
"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Pete, The only serious issue with stainless in salt water is crevis corrosion and as this is not under water, that problem is not severe. However the big risk is electrolytic corrosion because of the dissililar metals. The solution is to prevent moisture from migrating along the thread and becoming an electrolite. To prevent that and allow easy extraction use an anti-siedeze compond found in auto supply stores. When using stainless wood screws to fasten the fairleads, use a bedding compound around the screws and under the base. Steve I like http://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=tefgel_infor when mixing metals. Common anti-seize is silicone and graphite powder and the silicone will wash away. The discussion was deck cleats,fastened with capscrews from below. If the antiseize is washing away, then Davy Jones Boatyard is doing the work. Use a bedding compound under the cleats. Casady |
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Thanks guys, i know what to do now
Pete |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:01:57 -0400, "mmc" wrote: "Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Pete, The only serious issue with stainless in salt water is crevis corrosion and as this is not under water, that problem is not severe. However the big risk is electrolytic corrosion because of the dissililar metals. The solution is to prevent moisture from migrating along the thread and becoming an electrolite. To prevent that and allow easy extraction use an anti-siedeze compond found in auto supply stores. When using stainless wood screws to fasten the fairleads, use a bedding compound around the screws and under the base. Steve I like http://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=tefgel_infor when mixing metals. Common anti-seize is silicone and graphite powder and the silicone will wash away. The discussion was deck cleats,fastened with capscrews from below. If the antiseize is washing away, then Davy Jones Boatyard is doing the work. Use a bedding compound under the cleats. Casady You must have missed the part about galvanic action between s/s and aluminum. I think all agree about the bedding compound. |
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:11:58 -0400, "mmc" wrote:
You must have missed the part about galvanic action between s/s and aluminum. I think all agree about the bedding compound. Aluminum needs to be nearly twice as thick to have equal strength. The boltholes ain't that big. You use antiseize amd hope for the best. Aluminum bolts and screws are scarce, which may actually be the deciding factor. You know a source for aluminum fastners ? The high strength alloys, of course. Casady |
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Fixing Aluminium cleats with stainless bolts
"Richard Casady" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:11:58 -0400, "mmc" wrote: You must have missed the part about galvanic action between s/s and aluminum. I think all agree about the bedding compound. Aluminum needs to be nearly twice as thick to have equal strength. The boltholes ain't that big. You use antiseize amd hope for the best. Aluminum bolts and screws are scarce, which may actually be the deciding factor. You know a source for aluminum fastners ? The high strength alloys, of course. Casady Nope. Right now I'm in the process of rebuilding my 1997 pontoon boat and would have liked to use aluminum machine screws instead of stainless. Unlike the manufacturer, at least I'm not using s/s screws and metal nuts! |
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