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Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
then you can remove the screws, inject thickened epoxy to make a "epoxy nail" and insert a new plug to fill the screw hole. I have been removing suspect screws, testing the hole with a syringe to see if it has any water in it or will draw or accept air. Then inject those with slightly thickened west epoxy. I then re drill and install the same sized fastener that the rest of the deck has. Then reinstall a new plug. I put some caulking on the screws when I install them. Is an epoxy "nail" good enough? I watched a guy with a similar Swan to the original poster's buy "the next length" screws to replace all his deck screws. I think this was a mistake. |
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Bruce in Bangkok ha scritto:
Your real task is to prevent deterioration of the structural deck. The teak is just a cosmetic addition and contributes little but looks to the boat. Teak isn't even particularly "non skid" when compared to other surfaces. Basically, any deck overlay that is fastened with screws will eventually leak into the deck core and cause rot. Now, this is not a overnight process and even if some moisture gets into the core it doesn't cause instantaneous rot but it is not something you want to happen. If you have any areas where the plugs covering the screw heads are missing or the caulking is missing then certainly those areas are leaking. In addition it probably means that the overlay is getting thin enough that more of the plugs are going to come out from time to time. I suggest that you try to locate a short section of decking, remove all the screws and cut/scrape out the caulking and try to lift one piece of the overlay. I suspect, from the screws, that you will find that it IS NOT glued down but if it is glued down then you can remove the screws, inject thickened epoxy to make a "epoxy nail" and insert a new plug to fill the screw hole. then scrape out all suspect caulking and recaulk. If however, the strips ARE NOT glued down then you will need to remove all the screws, remove the teak, plug all the holes in the deck, check for soft spots in the deck, repair any found, replace the original strips using an adhesive, plug the screw holes in the teak with epoxy and a teak plug, recaulk and sand. I have already considered, as some of you suggest, not to use teak anymore but my conclusion was: no, I agree that "teak=leak=money..." but I will keep up with the original design. I realize it is a major work and I will enjoy doing it myself as far as I can. The boat is not a Nauticat. She was designed by Sparkman & Stevens and built in Finland under their strict control on construction standards. There are few questions you may help answering: 1) repairing or re-decking completely would you recommend rabbeting the planks in order to make a caulk channel from the upper surface down to the bottom of the rabbet (like now) or no rabbet at all but just a space filled with caulking all the way from the surface to the underlying f.g. deck? 2) better not using screws anymore? 3) what kind of glue between planks and deck, possibly fast setting? 4) tools. I foresee remaking few planks from scratch and I may be working in the open, maybe just under a tentlike roof. Besides all obvious wood tools I have a circular saw, a router and a jig saw. Would you recommend a small band saw or a miter saw for example? I can use hand planer but would you recommend an electric planer? This is the actual input I am asking from you, guys: technicalities you may know better than me. Regards Daniel |
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Jim ha scritto:
I watched a guy with a similar Swan to the original poster's buy "the next length" screws to replace all his deck screws. I think this was a mistake. I think it too. The main problem is the head of the screw coming out as the plug is thinned by sanding. On the other hand deepening the countersink will eventually go all the way through. The best is, I believe, avoiding screw altogether and gluing effectively. Regards Daniel |
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I am about 1/3 of the way through laying the veneer teak on my side decks.
It is back breaking work. I have to stop every week or so and work on something else to let my knees and back recover some. I am using 1/4 x 1 3/4 strips set in epoxy tinted with (nasty) graphite. Holding the strips down with #10 hex head self tapping screws with waxed fender washers between planks. Most used tools so far are a miter saw set up on the cabin top, 18V drill for driving a gazillion screws, 4 ratcheting strap clamps, a Japanese pull saw and a low angle block plane. Made up a couple of practice panels to try various caulks. Boat life works great but a hassle to mix and load in cartridges. Also unbelievably messy with a magnetic attraction to clean white surfaces second only to black 5200. Teak Deck Systems TDS440 in 20oz sausages in a little more expensive but much easier to use. Not sure about the service live of one part caulks though. One problem so far is that while I can scrape most of the squeeze out out of the grooves I can't get under the washers so there is always a mound of hard epoxy to scrape out once it sets up. Had to grind a 1/4" chisel down to 3/16 and heat and bend it so I can get in and chip it out. Not real hard but I have to do it hundreds of times and then fill each hole right away as it is impossible to spot them all if I don't. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "Daniele Fua" wrote in message ... Bruce in Bangkok ha scritto: Your real task is to prevent deterioration of the structural deck. The teak is just a cosmetic addition and contributes little but looks to the boat. Teak isn't even particularly "non skid" when compared to other surfaces. Basically, any deck overlay that is fastened with screws will eventually leak into the deck core and cause rot. Now, this is not a overnight process and even if some moisture gets into the core it doesn't cause instantaneous rot but it is not something you want to happen. If you have any areas where the plugs covering the screw heads are missing or the caulking is missing then certainly those areas are leaking. In addition it probably means that the overlay is getting thin enough that more of the plugs are going to come out from time to time. I suggest that you try to locate a short section of decking, remove all the screws and cut/scrape out the caulking and try to lift one piece of the overlay. I suspect, from the screws, that you will find that it IS NOT glued down but if it is glued down then you can remove the screws, inject thickened epoxy to make a "epoxy nail" and insert a new plug to fill the screw hole. then scrape out all suspect caulking and recaulk. If however, the strips ARE NOT glued down then you will need to remove all the screws, remove the teak, plug all the holes in the deck, check for soft spots in the deck, repair any found, replace the original strips using an adhesive, plug the screw holes in the teak with epoxy and a teak plug, recaulk and sand. I have already considered, as some of you suggest, not to use teak anymore but my conclusion was: no, I agree that "teak=leak=money..." but I will keep up with the original design. I realize it is a major work and I will enjoy doing it myself as far as I can. The boat is not a Nauticat. She was designed by Sparkman & Stevens and built in Finland under their strict control on construction standards. There are few questions you may help answering: 1) repairing or re-decking completely would you recommend rabbeting the planks in order to make a caulk channel from the upper surface down to the bottom of the rabbet (like now) or no rabbet at all but just a space filled with caulking all the way from the surface to the underlying f.g. deck? 2) better not using screws anymore? 3) what kind of glue between planks and deck, possibly fast setting? 4) tools. I foresee remaking few planks from scratch and I may be working in the open, maybe just under a tentlike roof. Besides all obvious wood tools I have a circular saw, a router and a jig saw. Would you recommend a small band saw or a miter saw for example? I can use hand planer but would you recommend an electric planer? This is the actual input I am asking from you, guys: technicalities you may know better than me. Regards Daniel |
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:35:53 -0700, Jim wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote: then you can remove the screws, inject thickened epoxy to make a "epoxy nail" and insert a new plug to fill the screw hole. I have been removing suspect screws, testing the hole with a syringe to see if it has any water in it or will draw or accept air. Then inject those with slightly thickened west epoxy. I then re drill and install the same sized fastener that the rest of the deck has. Then reinstall a new plug. I put some caulking on the screws when I install them. Is an epoxy "nail" good enough? I watched a guy with a similar Swan to the original poster's buy "the next length" screws to replace all his deck screws. I think this was a mistake. Your whole problem is to keep water out of the deck core! that should be your main consideration. I can't say that enough times. The problem with teak overlays is that they are usually only about 1/4" (6mm) thick. So if you drill and countersink for a screw there is very little left to hold a plug. so the plugs come out. The next think I have noticed is that, in most cases, where a screwed overlay is installed there appeared to be no real effort to waterproof the job so any deterioration causes water to leak under the teak and eventually seep around the screws into the deck core. Chain plates, stanchions and other deck mounted hardware are usually equally at fault. I doubt that "testing a hole with a syringe for water will tell you anything. I just repaired a section of deck on a sail boat where the Jib sheet tracks were bolted down without sealing and the plywood core was a black semi solid - totally rotted. But there was no free water and when you squeezed a handful it was damp but didn;t drip. Unless your teak is glued down and if you really want to make a proper repair then I would remove it, section by section. Fill all the screw holes in the deck with thickened epoxy. Sand it smooth and then replace the section using an adhesive to hold it to the deck. then fill the hole in the teak strip with epoxy and a teak plug. To hold the strips while the adhesive is drying you can use screws down through the gap between two strips with a large washer under the head and a plastic gasket under the washer to keep it from sticking. If I were using epoxy for an adhesive I'd be sure to wax the screws with mold release. Once the adhesive has hardened take out the screws and if you have waxed them re-drill the hole, to clean it of mold release, and then fill it with thickened epoxy. By the way, if you are using epoxy then be sure to get a brand that will stick to wet wood. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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