On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

...

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken


actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0000, Two meter troll
wrote:

[bamboo]
actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

Which reminds me: a century ago, one of the earliest flying machines
was made of bamboo.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0000, Two meter troll
wrote:

On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

...

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken


actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

Well, I've lived in SE Asia for 30 years and I haven't seen bamboo
used to build boats. What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats.

I have also seen it used to make battens for junk type sails where it
lasted about one year. I did ask the blokes running the junk "why
bamboo" and they answered "cheap".

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.



Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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On Jul 4, 5:05 pm, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0000, Two meter troll



wrote:
On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

. ..

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken

actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

Well, I've lived in SE Asia for 30 years and I haven't seen bamboo
used to build boats. What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats.

I have also seen it used to make battens for junk type sails where it
lasted about one year. I did ask the blokes running the junk "why
bamboo" and they answered "cheap".

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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modern:

http://www.bambooboats.com/prototype.html

traditional:

http://www.bamboocraft.net/gallery/s...y.php?cat=3043

http://www.vietnamboats.org/bambooboats.htm

On Jul 5, 12:48 am, Two meter troll wrote:
On Jul 4, 5:05 pm, Bruce wrote:



On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0000, Two meter troll

wrote:
On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

. ..

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken

actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

Well, I've lived in SE Asia for 30 years and I haven't seen bamboo
used to build boats. What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats.

I have also seen it used to make battens for junk type sails where it
lasted about one year. I did ask the blokes running the junk "why
bamboo" and they answered "cheap".

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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modern:

http://www.bambooboats.com/prototype.html

traditional:

http://www.bamboocraft.net/gallery/s...y.php?cat=3043

http://www.vietnamboats.org/bambooboats.htm



sorry i forgot a couple:

http://www.acclaimimages.com/search_...mboo_boat.html

http://www.asiacard.co.uk/ecard929.html

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:05:37 -0000, Two meter troll
wrote:

On Jul 5, 12:48 am, Two meter troll wrote:
On Jul 4, 5:05 pm, Bruce wrote:



On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0000, Two meter troll

wrote:
On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

. ..

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken

actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

Well, I've lived in SE Asia for 30 years and I haven't seen bamboo
used to build boats. What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats.

I have also seen it used to make battens for junk type sails where it
lasted about one year. I did ask the blokes running the junk "why
bamboo" and they answered "cheap".

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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modern:

http://www.bambooboats.com/prototype.html

traditional:

http://www.bamboocraft.net/gallery/s...y.php?cat=3043

http://www.vietnamboats.org/bambooboats.htm



sorry i forgot a couple:

http://www.acclaimimages.com/search_...mboo_boat.html

These are woven boats, I believe from Vietnam. When I was in Nha Trang
I saw some of the bowl shaped boats but the majority of the fishing
boats I saw were wooden.

http://www.asiacard.co.uk/ecard929.html
As I said a bunch of bamboo bundled into a raft....

As I said, "What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats."

You have showed me pictures of a number of rafts made by tying bamboo
stalks together and a few pictures of woven bamboo boats which appear
to be solely used in Vietnam and I would guess by people too poor to
have a wooden boat.

Still doesn;t make bamboo a good boat building material.


Bruce in Bangkok
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http://www.jmbamboo.com/boats.htm

http://www.skillsusa.org/champions/2.../boat1_Big.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wayfinders/polynesian8.html

http://borobudurshipexpedition.com/leg02-report.htm

None of these are rafts.

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:05:37 -0000, Two meter troll
wrote:

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

A good place to see a large number of Bugis built traditional schooners is
in Surabaya city on the east end of Java, just prior to the shift in winds
to return them to Sulawasi.


Still doesn;t make bamboo a good boat building material.

I have neve used bamboo on the water, but I did build a traditional bamboo
house years ago and watched the structual integrity of the bamboo break down
over a few years. I should add that this was a stilt house with ample air
circulation with a dry climate for at least 6 months of the year. Best
thing about a bamboo house is that you get a nice, new fresh house every few
years.

However, if someone is quite determined to use bamboo research into the
numerous varieties of bamboo. There is one bamboo in Thailand, that is solid
and used often for tool handles such as a garden hoe handle.

Bruce, this is the bamboo that has the very sharp thorns, would know the
scientific name ?

...Ken


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

On Jul 6, 8:38 am, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

...

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:05:37 -0000, Two meter troll
wrote:

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

A good place to see a large number of Bugis built traditional schooners is
in Surabaya city on the east end of Java, just prior to the shift in winds
to return them to Sulawasi.

Still doesn;t make bamboo a good boat building material.

I have neve used bamboo on the water, but I did build a traditional bamboo
house years ago and watched the structual integrity of the bamboo break down
over a few years. I should add that this was a stilt house with ample air
circulation with a dry climate for at least 6 months of the year. Best
thing about a bamboo house is that you get a nice, new fresh house every few
years.

However, if someone is quite determined to use bamboo research into the
numerous varieties of bamboo. There is one bamboo in Thailand, that is solid
and used often for tool handles such as a garden hoe handle.

Bruce, this is the bamboo that has the very sharp thorns, would know the
scientific name ?

...Ken



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Was the bamboo treated in any way? How many years did it last. I am
planning to get two poles and treating two masts. The idea is that if
I get five years per mast then I have a good inexpensive beautiful
lightweight mast that will go ten years. Thats not too bad for a $100
and a little build time. If they last 10 years each I will be
extremely happy. I plan to treat them and plug the ends so that the
inside wont get wet at all even with the epoxy coating. I also will
take the seecond mast the first few sails and the first few long sails
just in case I push too hard or just screw up and break a mast. I
really want to use bamboo for the look and weight.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:38:24 GMT, "Island Teak"
wrote:


"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:05:37 -0000, Two meter troll
wrote:

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

A good place to see a large number of Bugis built traditional schooners is
in Surabaya city on the east end of Java, just prior to the shift in winds
to return them to Sulawasi.


Still doesn;t make bamboo a good boat building material.

I have neve used bamboo on the water, but I did build a traditional bamboo
house years ago and watched the structual integrity of the bamboo break down
over a few years. I should add that this was a stilt house with ample air
circulation with a dry climate for at least 6 months of the year. Best
thing about a bamboo house is that you get a nice, new fresh house every few
years.

However, if someone is quite determined to use bamboo research into the
numerous varieties of bamboo. There is one bamboo in Thailand, that is solid
and used often for tool handles such as a garden hoe handle.

Bruce, this is the bamboo that has the very sharp thorns, would know the
scientific name ?

...Ken


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)


I can't give you the scientific name but in Thai it is pietan
(probably a lousy phonetic translation and mispelled to boot). The
Thai word translates to pie (bamboo) solid (tan).

I'm not sure how many Bugis sailing schooners there are left. Ten
years, or so, ago I was building a small gas refinery in Central Java
and had several commissioning engineers over from the States. As we
lived in a little Chinese hotel and ate Indonesian food I tried to
take everybody to the closest town, Cirebon, every Sunday to get a
western meal and do some shopping. Since the guys were all homesick
for America I used to try and show them "the sights" to take their
minds off being thousands of miles from home.

One Sunday I took them down to the harbor to show them the Bugis
boats. On the way I gave them a real pep talk about these being the
last commercial sailing boats; been building them since the Portuguese
days, bla, bla.

When we finally got there were Bugis boats in droves -- and not a
single one had a mast. Apparently the Bugis have discovered the
internal combustion engine and taken it to heart. The boats look the
same, except for the lack of a mast, but they all have a big diesel
mounted on the side with a long shaft like a Thai long tail boat.
Still got the steering oars though.

More about Bamboo. Some years back there were a number of commercial
buildings, mainly in the countryside, that used bamboo in place of
re-bar. My brother in law build a small warehouse using it. The
warehouse is still standing and in use today but whether that is
because bamboo makes good re-bar or blind luck I cannot say.


Bruce in Bangkok
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