Piet,
The bigger the boat the less likely it will get finished... 30 foot is
a big boat and a major project in both time and money... Talk to folks
who have built a boat this large before starting... Go into it with
your eyes wide open... The plywood and the fiberglass is only a small
part of the total cost...
I just finished two 8 foot dingies in stitch and glue, and while it
took only a few months of my spare time (all my spare time and then
some) it was a major job...
I am right on the verge of starting on my retirement boat, a power
cat... It is planned to take one year, 4 to 6 full time hired workers,
and a quarter million USD to complete...

denny

I definetly have no quarter million USD.

I want to focus on finishing the boat. So I am ready to make some
trade-offs.

How about these boats,
Robert 25:
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm
and
Glen-L 25:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=447


Mustafa

"Mustafa" writes:

I definetly have no quarter million USD.

I want to focus on finishing the boat. So I am ready to make some
trade-offs.

How about these boats,
Robert 25:
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm
and
Glen-L 25:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=447

My impression is that the Robert 25 will be a far more time
consuming boat to build than the Glen-L 25 or the cats by
Richard Woods that I mentioned earlier.

What sailing experience do you have?
What boat building resources (shed, workshop, tools...)
are available to you?

Regarding cost:
Building materials for hull(s) does not cost much. What
really ads to the bill are sails, rig and hardware. If you
are not into high-performance sailing you get away with
much simpler and cheaper stuff even on the cats. It is those
tall sail plans and the weight saving efforts that drive
cost. I have no experience of either the Surfsong or the
Windsong designs but I have sailed a little on a Strider
which is similar in weight and slightly smaller than my boat
but it is a cruiser with no particular speed ambitions and
it is a relief of sorts to see the size of the blocks
etc.

Hmm, maybe you should try out one of Richard Woods smaller
cats even though they are too small for 4-5. (This is
true for the two 25-foot monos above as well. Sure, they
have four bunks but don't cram in four persons there hoping
for any type of comfort.)

--
Martin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack
show their worth by hitting back."
Piet Hein

I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have
most of the building resources.

Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It
makes sense.. it seems to be easier.

I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something
simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go..

"Mustafa" writes:

I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have
most of the building resources.

Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It
makes sense.. it seems to be easier.

I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something
simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go..

I think so and apart form simpler shapes than most monos you
also have smaller parts to move to the coast if your building
location is not at the coast.

And although I agree that looking for a second hand boat is a
good idea if you want a boat and building it isn't
important, I must point out that sailing a boat you have built
yourself is rewarding in a way no bought boat can ever come close to.
:-)

Good luck and welcome to sailing,

--
Martin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack
show their worth by hitting back."
Piet Hein

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:44:25 +0200, Martin Schöön wrote:

"Mustafa" writes:

I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have
most of the building resources.

Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It
makes sense.. it seems to be easier.

I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something
simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go..

I think so and apart form simpler shapes than most monos you also have
smaller parts to move to the coast if your building location is not at
the coast.

And although I agree that looking for a second hand boat is a good idea
if you want a boat and building it isn't important, I must point out
that sailing a boat you have built yourself is rewarding in a way no
bought boat can ever come close to.
:-)

Good luck and welcome to sailing,

Something to consider guys... Not too many blue water sailors agree that
Cat's and Tri's are worthy ocean going vessels.. No one will deny their
speed and draft advantages, but stability is in question, as well as
longevity, due primarily to the high stress levels encountered with cross
seas and swell.. Believe me, the deep ocean can be most unforgiving when
you least desire or expect!

If your main purpose is coastal sailing, or island hopping, then perhaps a
Cat is a good idea, otherwise I'd reconsider..

Diana

"Dr. Di" writes:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:44:25 +0200, Martin Schöön wrote:

"Mustafa" writes:

I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have
most of the building resources.

Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It
makes sense.. it seems to be easier.

I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something
simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go..

I think so and apart form simpler shapes than most monos you also have
smaller parts to move to the coast if your building location is not at
the coast.

And although I agree that looking for a second hand boat is a good idea
if you want a boat and building it isn't important, I must point out
that sailing a boat you have built yourself is rewarding in a way no
bought boat can ever come close to.
:-)

Good luck and welcome to sailing,

Something to consider guys... Not too many blue water sailors agree that
Cat's and Tri's are worthy ocean going vessels.. No one will deny their
speed and draft advantages, but stability is in question, as well as
longevity, due primarily to the high stress levels encountered with cross
seas and swell.. Believe me, the deep ocean can be most unforgiving when
you least desire or expect!

If your main purpose is coastal sailing, or island hopping, then perhaps a
Cat is a good idea, otherwise I'd reconsider..

Above all you need to reconsider your multihull knowledge.

Go visit Joe Siudzinski's web for instance. Joe and his wife has
lived on their cat for six years - blue-water cruising.
http://www.katiekat.net/

Or take the Pearces who moved from London to Sydney sailing there
on their cat.
http://www.john-shuttleworth.com/Ima...ip-thumbs.html

Or take the French family I met in Gothenburg, Sweden many years
ago. They had sailed from Bordeaux to join an International Multihull
Meeting. Not a big distance in their view. They had been to Norway
two years earlier and in 1988 the father of the family had raced the
boat across the Atlantic. His wife and two sons joined him in the
US and they cruised New England for a few weeks. Then father and
older son sailed back across the North Atlantic. Quite a summer cruise,
twice across the North Atlantic. When I met them in 1991 the younger boy
was not yet a teenager.
http://hem.bredband.net/mschoon/1991.../IMM91_10.html

I know of one Australian sailor who claim he refuses to sail on
monos further from shore than he can swim. That's is pretty
extreme in my mind but you are playing in the same league.

The two cats I have mentioned are proven designs and Richard Woods
himself is an experienced blue-water cruiser and racer.

A well-designed cruising multihull is all about safety and comfort.
Speed is defenitely secondary in this case.

--
Martin Schöön

"Problems worthy of attack
prove their worth by hitting back"
Piet Hein

Dr. Di skrev:

Something to consider guys... Not too many blue water sailors agree that
Cat's and Tri's are worthy ocean going vessels.. No one will deny their

That is probably because most "blue water sailors" have no experience
with them.

speed and draft advantages, but stability is in question, as well as
longevity, due primarily to the high stress levels encountered with cross
seas and swell.. Believe me, the deep ocean can be most unforgiving when
you least desire or expect!

You are a troll, aren't you? Anyway, I'll feed you...

Please present some documentation of actual problems instead of
hearsay. What is the proportion of capzised/wrecked multis (not
racing!) compared to sunk/wrecked monoholls?

Richard Woods (www.sailingcatamarans.com) abandoned his 10m cat in a
storm earlier this year. 10 weeks later, it was still upright. He has
published his story on his website.

If your main purpose is coastal sailing, or island hopping, then perhaps a
Cat is a good idea, otherwise I'd reconsider..

If you read the OP, you would see a mention of the Aegaean. That
indicates coastal/island hopping to me...

/Martin