Hi,

I am considering building a sailboat,
and looking for some advice on what to build.

I am looking for something:
- That is easy to build. (stitch-n-glue??)
- Big enough for 4-5 people to sleep,
- Good enough to sail through The Aegean Sea
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aegean_Sea_map.png)

Maybe you can suggest me what else to consider..?


I visited websites of people building Vegabond with stitch-n-glue
(www.bateau.com).
As, I have experience with buildind R/C Planes and the building process
looked similiar, which makes me feel comfortable with it. But I feel
like I need a bigger boat, maybe 10m.

Could you recommend a resource which compares different building
techniques.

The ultimate question is "Which boat to build ?"

Thanks,

Mustafa

"Mustafa B." writes:

Hi,

I am considering building a sailboat,
and looking for some advice on what to build.

I am looking for something:
- That is easy to build. (stitch-n-glue??)
- Big enough for 4-5 people to sleep,
- Good enough to sail through The Aegean Sea
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aegean_Sea_map.png)

Maybe you can suggest me what else to consider..?

You could check out Richard Woods' designs:
http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/

4-5 people to sleep and easy to build, maybe Surfsong or
rather the bigger Windsong. Neither will offer sumptous
comfort. If that's what you want you need to go bigger
which means more money and time.

My own boat is more of a racer and too small but it could be of
interest to study its web (and the links):
http://hem.bredband.net/b262106/index.html

--
Martin Schöön

"Problems worthy of attack
prove their worth by hitting back"
Piet Hein

Piet,
The bigger the boat the less likely it will get finished... 30 foot is
a big boat and a major project in both time and money... Talk to folks
who have built a boat this large before starting... Go into it with
your eyes wide open... The plywood and the fiberglass is only a small
part of the total cost...
I just finished two 8 foot dingies in stitch and glue, and while it
took only a few months of my spare time (all my spare time and then
some) it was a major job...
I am right on the verge of starting on my retirement boat, a power
cat... It is planned to take one year, 4 to 6 full time hired workers,
and a quarter million USD to complete...

denny

I definetly have no quarter million USD.

I want to focus on finishing the boat. So I am ready to make some
trade-offs.

How about these boats,
Robert 25:
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm
and
Glen-L 25:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=447


Mustafa

"Mustafa" writes:

I definetly have no quarter million USD.

I want to focus on finishing the boat. So I am ready to make some
trade-offs.

How about these boats,
Robert 25:
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm
and
Glen-L 25:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=447

My impression is that the Robert 25 will be a far more time
consuming boat to build than the Glen-L 25 or the cats by
Richard Woods that I mentioned earlier.

What sailing experience do you have?
What boat building resources (shed, workshop, tools...)
are available to you?

Regarding cost:
Building materials for hull(s) does not cost much. What
really ads to the bill are sails, rig and hardware. If you
are not into high-performance sailing you get away with
much simpler and cheaper stuff even on the cats. It is those
tall sail plans and the weight saving efforts that drive
cost. I have no experience of either the Surfsong or the
Windsong designs but I have sailed a little on a Strider
which is similar in weight and slightly smaller than my boat
but it is a cruiser with no particular speed ambitions and
it is a relief of sorts to see the size of the blocks
etc.

Hmm, maybe you should try out one of Richard Woods smaller
cats even though they are too small for 4-5. (This is
true for the two 25-foot monos above as well. Sure, they
have four bunks but don't cram in four persons there hoping
for any type of comfort.)

--
Martin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack
show their worth by hitting back."
Piet Hein

I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have
most of the building resources.

Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It
makes sense.. it seems to be easier.

I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something
simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go..

Mustafa B. wrote:
Hi,

I am considering building a sailboat,
and looking for some advice on what to build.


Mustafa-
The important question to answer is: "Do you want a boat, or do you
want to build a boat?"
If you want a boat, it will be cheaper and a lot quicker to buy a used
boat, even one that needs some work.
If you want to build a boat, pick one that you will be happy to look at
for years as you work on it! For a 10m boat, working part-time but with
no shortage of money, you will be looking at launching in 2011? It's a
lot of work, and a lot of fun building, but a slow way to get on the
water. (I know this from experience.)

Cheers
John

Mustafa B. wrote:
Hi,

I am considering building a sailboat,
and looking for some advice on what to build.

I am looking for something:
- That is easy to build. (stitch-n-glue??)
- Big enough for 4-5 people to sleep,
- Good enough to sail through The Aegean Sea
Thanks,
Mustafa

Hi:

So why build when there are lots of good old boats out there?
(Please forgive me father for I have sinned)

I suggest a SCOW.

Basically a shoe box barge looking hull.

Thumb through H.I. Chappell's book, American Small Sailing Craft. There
are several scow types al under 35 feet. My favorit was a lee board
sailing scow. Fast sailing, fast and cheep to build design.

Google:
texas gulf sailing scow

or for a full-on BIg Boy version search for Scow Schooner Alma.

Now that is a thing of beauty!

Bob

Well I am not experienced enough to discuss cats or mono; may be some
years from now I'll be... For now sailing is what matters for me..

What Martin said : "I must point out that sailing a boat you have built
yourself is rewarding in a way no bought boat can ever come close to. "
makes a lot of sense for me.. I -kind of know- how that feeling is, and
its worth it..

Recently, I've been doing some research here in Turkey. I found some
local people who supply kits, or if you come with the plans they cut
the parts for you with CNS machines.
This will make things simpler for me..

Thanks,

Mustafa



Bob wrote:
Mustafa B. wrote:
Hi,

I am considering building a sailboat,
and looking for some advice on what to build.

I am looking for something:
- That is easy to build. (stitch-n-glue??)
- Big enough for 4-5 people to sleep,
- Good enough to sail through The Aegean Sea
Thanks,
Mustafa

Hi:

So why build when there are lots of good old boats out there?
(Please forgive me father for I have sinned)

I suggest a SCOW.

Basically a shoe box barge looking hull.

Thumb through H.I. Chappell's book, American Small Sailing Craft. There
are several scow types al under 35 feet. My favorit was a lee board
sailing scow. Fast sailing, fast and cheep to build design.

Google:
texas gulf sailing scow

or for a full-on BIg Boy version search for Scow Schooner Alma.

Now that is a thing of beauty!

Bob

Well I am not experienced enough to discuss cats or mono; may be some
years from now I'll be... For now sailing is what matters for me..

What Martin said : "I must point out that sailing a boat you have built
yourself is rewarding in a way no bought boat can ever come close to. "
makes a lot of sense for me.. I -kind of know- how that feeling is, and
its worth it..

Recently, I've been doing some research here in Turkey. I found some
local people who supply kits, or if you come with the plans they cut
the parts for you with CNS machines.
This will make things simpler for me..

Thanks,

Mustafa



Bob wrote:
Mustafa B. wrote:
Hi,

I am considering building a sailboat,
and looking for some advice on what to build.

I am looking for something:
- That is easy to build. (stitch-n-glue??)
- Big enough for 4-5 people to sleep,
- Good enough to sail through The Aegean Sea
Thanks,
Mustafa

Hi:

So why build when there are lots of good old boats out there?
(Please forgive me father for I have sinned)

I suggest a SCOW.

Basically a shoe box barge looking hull.

Thumb through H.I. Chappell's book, American Small Sailing Craft. There
are several scow types al under 35 feet. My favorit was a lee board
sailing scow. Fast sailing, fast and cheep to build design.

Google:
texas gulf sailing scow

or for a full-on BIg Boy version search for Scow Schooner Alma.

Now that is a thing of beauty!

Bob