"Mustafa B." writes:

Hi,

I am considering building a sailboat,
and looking for some advice on what to build.

I am looking for something:
- That is easy to build. (stitch-n-glue??)
- Big enough for 4-5 people to sleep,
- Good enough to sail through The Aegean Sea
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aegean_Sea_map.png)

Maybe you can suggest me what else to consider..?

You could check out Richard Woods' designs:
http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/

4-5 people to sleep and easy to build, maybe Surfsong or
rather the bigger Windsong. Neither will offer sumptous
comfort. If that's what you want you need to go bigger
which means more money and time.

My own boat is more of a racer and too small but it could be of
interest to study its web (and the links):
http://hem.bredband.net/b262106/index.html

--
Martin Schöön

"Problems worthy of attack
prove their worth by hitting back"
Piet Hein

Piet,
The bigger the boat the less likely it will get finished... 30 foot is
a big boat and a major project in both time and money... Talk to folks
who have built a boat this large before starting... Go into it with
your eyes wide open... The plywood and the fiberglass is only a small
part of the total cost...
I just finished two 8 foot dingies in stitch and glue, and while it
took only a few months of my spare time (all my spare time and then
some) it was a major job...
I am right on the verge of starting on my retirement boat, a power
cat... It is planned to take one year, 4 to 6 full time hired workers,
and a quarter million USD to complete...

denny

I definetly have no quarter million USD.

I want to focus on finishing the boat. So I am ready to make some
trade-offs.

How about these boats,
Robert 25:
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm
and
Glen-L 25:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=447


Mustafa

"Mustafa" writes:

I definetly have no quarter million USD.

I want to focus on finishing the boat. So I am ready to make some
trade-offs.

How about these boats,
Robert 25:
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm
and
Glen-L 25:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=447

My impression is that the Robert 25 will be a far more time
consuming boat to build than the Glen-L 25 or the cats by
Richard Woods that I mentioned earlier.

What sailing experience do you have?
What boat building resources (shed, workshop, tools...)
are available to you?

Regarding cost:
Building materials for hull(s) does not cost much. What
really ads to the bill are sails, rig and hardware. If you
are not into high-performance sailing you get away with
much simpler and cheaper stuff even on the cats. It is those
tall sail plans and the weight saving efforts that drive
cost. I have no experience of either the Surfsong or the
Windsong designs but I have sailed a little on a Strider
which is similar in weight and slightly smaller than my boat
but it is a cruiser with no particular speed ambitions and
it is a relief of sorts to see the size of the blocks
etc.

Hmm, maybe you should try out one of Richard Woods smaller
cats even though they are too small for 4-5. (This is
true for the two 25-foot monos above as well. Sure, they
have four bunks but don't cram in four persons there hoping
for any type of comfort.)

--
Martin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack
show their worth by hitting back."
Piet Hein

I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have
most of the building resources.

Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It
makes sense.. it seems to be easier.

I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something
simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go..

"Mustafa" writes:

I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have
most of the building resources.

Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It
makes sense.. it seems to be easier.

I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something
simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go..

I think so and apart form simpler shapes than most monos you
also have smaller parts to move to the coast if your building
location is not at the coast.

And although I agree that looking for a second hand boat is a
good idea if you want a boat and building it isn't
important, I must point out that sailing a boat you have built
yourself is rewarding in a way no bought boat can ever come close to.
:-)

Good luck and welcome to sailing,

--
Martin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack
show their worth by hitting back."
Piet Hein

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:44:25 +0200, Martin Schöön wrote:

"Mustafa" writes:

I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have
most of the building resources.

Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It
makes sense.. it seems to be easier.

I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something
simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go..

I think so and apart form simpler shapes than most monos you also have
smaller parts to move to the coast if your building location is not at
the coast.

And although I agree that looking for a second hand boat is a good idea
if you want a boat and building it isn't important, I must point out
that sailing a boat you have built yourself is rewarding in a way no
bought boat can ever come close to.
:-)

Good luck and welcome to sailing,

Something to consider guys... Not too many blue water sailors agree that
Cat's and Tri's are worthy ocean going vessels.. No one will deny their
speed and draft advantages, but stability is in question, as well as
longevity, due primarily to the high stress levels encountered with cross
seas and swell.. Believe me, the deep ocean can be most unforgiving when
you least desire or expect!

If your main purpose is coastal sailing, or island hopping, then perhaps a
Cat is a good idea, otherwise I'd reconsider..

Diana