And if you think that's bad, try to figure out what the old books meant when
they spoke of a ship's tonnage. (Sometimes displacement, but often a
measure of interior volume excluding machinery spaces.)

Roger

http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

"David Manthey" wrote in message
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A big thank you to everyone who answered.

I now know what the legal length of my boat is and the length a marina
would charge me for.

One of my concerns with length has been in reading historic accounts
of bateaux, the length is frequently cited. I guess that this number
is whatever the person writing a journal or account was told by the
boat men, the transportation booking agency, the builder, etc., and
therefore would vary just as the different answers have varied. I
have yet to see a historical account of a bateau give any qualifier
for a length (no handy LOA or LWL after the number).

Again, thanks a bunch.

- David
David Manthey

Orbitals - Programs - Books - http://www.orbitals.com

derbyrm wrote:

And if you think that's bad, try to figure out what the old books meant when
they spoke of a ship's tonnage. (Sometimes displacement, but often a
measure of interior volume excluding machinery spaces.)

A couple of years ago Glen Ashmore posted the best explanation of ship's
tonnage I've ever seen..I saved it...here it is:

Tonnage has nothing to do with the weight of your boat. It is a measure
of how much wine a vessel can carry.

The word "tun" was originally a size of a cask used to ship wine from
Spain & Portugal to England. In 1347 a tax of 3 shillings per tun was
imposed and this was called "tonnage." A ship's size became known by the
number of casks it could carry, and the word tonnage started being used
to describe a ship's size.

It was found that if you took the length x the breadth x the depth of
the hold under the deck and divided by 100 it was close to the number of
casks. That is where we get the "Measurement ton" of 100 cubic feet per
ton.

There are several kinds of tonnage: The first two are used by the tax
collector. The next two are used by designers. The fifth and sixth are
used by freight salesmen and canal operators and the last one is used by
the USCG for documenting boats.

Gross Tonnage - is the internal volume in cubic feet of the vessel
minus certain spaces above the main or "tonnage" deck, like stacks and
ventilators, which are called "exemptions" .

Net Registered Tonnage - is obtained by deducting from the gross tonnage
the volume of space that can't be used for paying cargo or passengers,
that is to say the space occupied by the engines, the crew's quarter,
the stores, etc.

Displacement Tonnage - is the actual weight of the water "displaced" by
the ship and is usually quoted in long tons of 2240 lbs.

Light Displacement Tonnage - is the weight with nothing in it.

Loaded Displacement Tonnage - is the fully loaded weight to the maximum
and is on her summer draft in salt water.

Deadweight Tonnage - is the difference between Light and Loaded
Displacement Tonnage....the actual carrying capacity of the vessel.

Panama & Suez Canal Tonnages - these are different from the
internationally accepted definitions. There used to be a lot of
variations between countries and the canal owners thought they were
being conned, so they came up with their own definitions.

Simplified Measurement System - The USCG decided that all this was way
too much for bureaucrats to deal with for yachts so they came up with
their own formula:

Take the horizontal distance between the outboard ends of the boat not
including rudders and bow sprits. Multiply that by the maximum beam
outside to outside. Multiply that by the distance from the sheer line
not including bulwarks or cap rails to the outside bottom of the hull
not including the keel. Add the volume of the deck house/cabin top.
Multiply by .5 for sailboats and .67 for power boats. Divide by 100.

This will give you the "Gross Tonnage". Net tonnage is 90% of gross for
sailboats and 80% for power boats.

It should be obvious to anyone who's managed to get this far that your
boat's "tonnage" no longer has anything to do with anything real; it
only exists in the mind of some government bureaucrat.

A bit more maritime trivia:
Rummage was the manner in which the wine casks were stored in the hold
of the ship and came to refer to the whole ship's cargo. after a voyage
any unclaimed and damaged cargo was stacked on the dock beside the boat
and offered for sale - a rummage sale. another word of French maritime
origin.



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Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

Peggie Hall wrote:
Glen Ashmore posted the best explanation of ship's
tonnage I've ever seen.

This question for anybody.... so I'll tack it on here...
How does one measure tonnage of a Cathedral hull? ;-)

Rick
- well, since I've had no takers on my LWL question- -shrug- ;-)