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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
Ouch! To bad!
Just to do a preliminary test, draw a sample from the fuel line so you getting the same fuel your engine was getting. You could do this by disconnectin the fuel pump discharge line and operating the hand priming lever. Put it in a clear glass jar and then go get some marine diesel a the fuel dock and compare the two.. You should be able to tell from the color, if it was deluted to 50/50. Of course the marine diesel should have a purple color.. If you got the fuel at a highway gas station, the the diesel will be almost clear in color.. If your still not sure, then pour a little out into an open pie tin and toss a match in to it. If it flashes right up, then it's most likely it has gas in it.. The straight diesel will just burn like kerosene (may even put the match out). If you ran your engine for even 8-10 min even with straight diesel at 280, you are in trouble. It's a wonder it didn't seize. If she kept oil pressure, the bearings may be ok but your cylinders may be scored. The fact that you estimate a 50/50 mixture, may be enough to have saved them.. However if your able to establish the liability of the fuel dock, then your fuel injector pump and injectors will need to be tested by a shop and rebuilt or replaced.. Good luck and hope for the best. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
Hi! I need your expertise or opinion.
I have diesel engine Volvo Penta MD3 on my sailboat .Just after refueling in one of the marina(in 10 minutes) engine reached temp 280 F I had to run the engine for another 8-10 minutes to drop the anchor and I shut off the engine which was red hot.I suspect that they pumped 20 gal gasoline instead of diesel.Capacity of the tank is 40 gal.I still have this fuel in the tank.How can I check if gasoline is in the tank,mixed with diesel ? Is it any method,way to analyze or find out.Maybe I should find the lab or place that can be determine what this fuel consists. If they pumped the gasoline accidentally or not the engine is probably damaged.Thank You For Your Help. Ytter |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
Steve wrote:
Ouch! To bad! If your still not sure, then pour a little out into an open pie tin and toss a match in to it. If it flashes right up, then it's most likely it has gas in it.. The straight diesel will just burn like kerosene (may even put the match out). Steve, have you ever done this? I've seen this from a distance of 50 yards with the fire set by Fire Department personnel, and it was impressive. I'll tell you this: Anyone close enough to have "toss(ed) a match in to it" would have been burned seriously. Not trying to one-up, but that advice scares the Hell out of me. |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
What? You've never used gasoline as charcoal starter? ;-)
Seriously, the amount of fuel needed for this test is pretty small. If it flares up, you have a pretty good answer. "Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message news:8Ev0c.426400$I06.4802346@attbi_s01... Steve wrote: Ouch! To bad! If your still not sure, then pour a little out into an open pie tin and toss a match in to it. If it flashes right up, then it's most likely it has gas in it.. The straight diesel will just burn like kerosene (may even put the match out). Steve, have you ever done this? I've seen this from a distance of 50 yards with the fire set by Fire Department personnel, and it was impressive. I'll tell you this: Anyone close enough to have "toss(ed) a match in to it" would have been burned seriously. Not trying to one-up, but that advice scares the Hell out of me. |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
Don't be fooled by this. You can sometimes, most times, toss a match into an open can of gas and the match will go out. It is hard to get a fire going that way. It will flash if you have agitated the gas and there is a strong vapor in the air above the open gas. You could have mostly gas and it may or may not light. regards Gary On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:50:53 -0500, "Jeff Morris" wrote: What? You've never used gasoline as charcoal starter? ;-) Seriously, the amount of fuel needed for this test is pretty small. If it flares up, you have a pretty good answer. "Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message news:8Ev0c.426400$I06.4802346@attbi_s01... Steve wrote: Ouch! To bad! If your still not sure, then pour a little out into an open pie tin and toss a match in to it. If it flashes right up, then it's most likely it has gas in it.. The straight diesel will just burn like kerosene (may even put the match out). Steve, have you ever done this? I've seen this from a distance of 50 yards with the fire set by Fire Department personnel, and it was impressive. I'll tell you this: Anyone close enough to have "toss(ed) a match in to it" would have been burned seriously. Not trying to one-up, but that advice scares the Hell out of me. |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
I think the suggestion was to put the suspect fuel in an open
pie plate. Should be plenty enough air to allow it to flash if sufficient gas is present. I would think that a flash test is not necessary. At a 50/50 concentration one should be able to smell the gas anyway. If the engine was glowing red hot, it is pretty much toast anyway. Doug s/v Callista "Gary Schafer" wrote in message news Don't be fooled by this. You can sometimes, most times, toss a match into an open can of gas and the match will go out. It is hard to get a fire going that way. It will flash if you have agitated the gas and there is a strong vapor in the air above the open gas. You could have mostly gas and it may or may not light. regards Gary On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:50:53 -0500, "Jeff Morris" wrote: What? You've never used gasoline as charcoal starter? ;-) Seriously, the amount of fuel needed for this test is pretty small. If it flares up, you have a pretty good answer. "Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message news:8Ev0c.426400$I06.4802346@attbi_s01... Steve wrote: Ouch! To bad! If your still not sure, then pour a little out into an open pie tin and toss a match in to it. If it flashes right up, then it's most likely it has gas in it.. The straight diesel will just burn like kerosene (may even put the match out). Steve, have you ever done this? I've seen this from a distance of 50 yards with the fire set by Fire Department personnel, and it was impressive. I'll tell you this: Anyone close enough to have "toss(ed) a match in to it" would have been burned seriously. Not trying to one-up, but that advice scares the Hell out of me. |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
I should have said "open pie plate". No restriction above area that
gas is in. regards Gary On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:24:40 -0500, "Doug Dotson" wrote: I think the suggestion was to put the suspect fuel in an open pie plate. Should be plenty enough air to allow it to flash if sufficient gas is present. I would think that a flash test is not necessary. At a 50/50 concentration one should be able to smell the gas anyway. If the engine was glowing red hot, it is pretty much toast anyway. Doug s/v Callista "Gary Schafer" wrote in message news Don't be fooled by this. You can sometimes, most times, toss a match into an open can of gas and the match will go out. It is hard to get a fire going that way. It will flash if you have agitated the gas and there is a strong vapor in the air above the open gas. You could have mostly gas and it may or may not light. regards Gary On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:50:53 -0500, "Jeff Morris" wrote: What? You've never used gasoline as charcoal starter? ;-) Seriously, the amount of fuel needed for this test is pretty small. If it flares up, you have a pretty good answer. "Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message news:8Ev0c.426400$I06.4802346@attbi_s01... Steve wrote: Ouch! To bad! If your still not sure, then pour a little out into an open pie tin and toss a match in to it. If it flashes right up, then it's most likely it has gas in it.. The straight diesel will just burn like kerosene (may even put the match out). Steve, have you ever done this? I've seen this from a distance of 50 yards with the fire set by Fire Department personnel, and it was impressive. I'll tell you this: Anyone close enough to have "toss(ed) a match in to it" would have been burned seriously. Not trying to one-up, but that advice scares the Hell out of me. |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
nobody mentioned just take the filler cap off the tank and sniff..
"Ytter" wrote in message .. . Hi! I need your expertise or opinion. I have diesel engine Volvo Penta MD3 on my sailboat .Just after refueling in one of the marina(in 10 minutes) engine reached temp 280 F I had to run the engine for another 8-10 minutes to drop the anchor and I shut off the engine which was red hot.I suspect that they pumped 20 gal gasoline instead of diesel.Capacity of the tank is 40 gal.I still have this fuel in the tank.How can I check if gasoline is in the tank,mixed with diesel ? Is it any method,way to analyze or find out.Maybe I should find the lab or place that can be determine what this fuel consists. If they pumped the gasoline accidentally or not the engine is probably damaged.Thank You For Your Help. Ytter |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:12:51 -0800, "Steve" wrote:
If your still not sure, then pour a little out into an open pie tin and toss a match in to it. If it flashes right up, then it's most likely it has gas in it.. The straight diesel will just burn like kerosene (may even put the match out). Is now a good time to mention that gas mixed with fuel oil is one of the most explosive mixtures this side of dynamite or fuel oil and fertilizer? Sorry you destroyed your engine. I always found the pumps clearly marked. Larry W4CSC No, no, Scotty! I said, "Beam me a wrench.", not a WENCH! Kirk Out..... |
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Gasoline pumped to diesel tank.....
Larry W4CSC wrote:
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:12:51 -0800, "Steve" wrote: Sorry you destroyed your engine. I always found the pumps clearly marked. A number of years ago on our way down the coast in our Atomic-4 powered Catalina 30, we stopped at Morrow Bay for fuel. The fuel dock there is a VERY high one, maybe 8 or 9 feet above the water and I asked the attendant to "Hand me down the unleaded". After filling my tank, I was up in the office as he filled out the reciept, I saw him write "16 gal. Diesel" and corrected him, telling him that it was unleaded. He said "No, it was diesel". When I insisted that it was unleaded, he said "Look, all we sell here is diesel. We don't have any gas pumps". Oops! -- Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448 B-2/75 1977-1979 Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG |
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