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"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message news:Vj4Jf.19995$sa3.356@pd7tw1no... Well...it seems that just because one draws off the water/contaminates from the bottom of the fuel filter bowl, doesn't mean that one should just let it drain into the bilge. Draining it into a cup/bottle (i.e. that won't 'melt' from the diesel fuel). Also, Diesel is significantly different from Petrol/Gasoline...one can pretty much put out a cigarette in diesel while this is not very adviseable with gasoline. Glenn. "Tony Brooks" wrote in message ... If your filter/water separator has a drain plug on it, it should an almost daily routine to draw a sample to see how much water is in the bowl. The only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing about in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks & flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk It never crossed my mind that anyone would be that stupid - note I said petrol fumes, which people often seem to forget about - still I suppose its what you get with cross posting to several groups. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk |
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I still don't understand...why should one have Petrol sloshing around the
bottom of one's boat? Do you simply drain water and impurities into your bilge sir? Glenn. "Tony Brooks" wrote in message ... "Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message news:Vj4Jf.19995$sa3.356@pd7tw1no... Well...it seems that just because one draws off the water/contaminates from the bottom of the fuel filter bowl, doesn't mean that one should just let it drain into the bilge. Draining it into a cup/bottle (i.e. that won't 'melt' from the diesel fuel). Also, Diesel is significantly different from Petrol/Gasoline...one can pretty much put out a cigarette in diesel while this is not very adviseable with gasoline. Glenn. "Tony Brooks" wrote in message ... If your filter/water separator has a drain plug on it, it should an almost daily routine to draw a sample to see how much water is in the bowl. The only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing about in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks & flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk It never crossed my mind that anyone would be that stupid - note I said petrol fumes, which people often seem to forget about - still I suppose its what you get with cross posting to several groups. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk |
#13
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I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the sampled
fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for consumers) that I know of. At my place, we generally dump it along a fence line during the dry summertime when it's very unlikely that ground water exists to carry it anywhere. I don't imagine that leaving it open to evaporate or burning it off is any better for the environment. May as well kill some weeds. Brian D "Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message news:byyJf.37446$B94.27170@pd7tw3no... I still don't understand...why should one have Petrol sloshing around the bottom of one's boat? Do you simply drain water and impurities into your bilge sir? Glenn. "Tony Brooks" wrote in message ... "Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message news:Vj4Jf.19995$sa3.356@pd7tw1no... Well...it seems that just because one draws off the water/contaminates from the bottom of the fuel filter bowl, doesn't mean that one should just let it drain into the bilge. Draining it into a cup/bottle (i.e. that won't 'melt' from the diesel fuel). Also, Diesel is significantly different from Petrol/Gasoline...one can pretty much put out a cigarette in diesel while this is not very adviseable with gasoline. Glenn. "Tony Brooks" wrote in message ... If your filter/water separator has a drain plug on it, it should an almost daily routine to draw a sample to see how much water is in the bowl. The only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing about in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks & flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk It never crossed my mind that anyone would be that stupid - note I said petrol fumes, which people often seem to forget about - still I suppose its what you get with cross posting to several groups. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk |
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Brian D wrote:
I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the sampled fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for consumers) that I know of. At my place, we generally dump it along a fence line during the dry summertime when it's very unlikely that ground water exists to carry it anywhere. I don't imagine that leaving it open to evaporate or burning it off is any better for the environment. May as well kill some weeds. Brian D Leave it in a can for a week or so to settle. Siphon as much as possible off the top without getting any dirt or water and filter through a genuine chamys leather. (let the chamys dry afterwards then wash according to its care instructions) Add between 2% and 5% anhydrous isopropanol and shake well. Use in an old tech engine e.g. a non fuel injected, non catalyst car. Dont worry about 2 stroke oil at less than 50:1. Even 20:1 doesnt cause any trouble unless the car's tank is totally empty. Next line the filter funnel with a couple of sheets of kitchen roll. Siphon any water out of the bottom of the can without getting any fuel. Put it through the funnel into a glass jar and check its fairly clear with no more than a slight sheen on top. If its got a slight sheen, add one drop of detergent and shake well. If there is more than a trace of fuel, drop a dry tissue on the surface, lift it out and bin it. Now you've got water thats OK to dispose of except in the most ecologically sensitive areas. Any emulsified or rusty muck left in the can is officially hazardous waste and should be taken to an appropriate disposal facility in a solvent resistant sealed container. From my experience of a 25 litre outboard fuel tank that was approx 50% contaminated with muddy river water, you'll have less than 1/4 litre of residue. I cannot suggest that you should let it evaporate outdoors in a shallow tray a long way from any naked flame or ignition source or burn it off in a can half full of dry sand at least 5 meters away from anything flammable as that would probably count as hazardous waste treatment for which you would require a license :-). -- Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED) ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk [at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL: 'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed, All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy. |
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"Glenn A. Heslop" wrote in message news:byyJf.37446$B94.27170@pd7tw3no... I still don't understand...why should one have Petrol sloshing around the bottom of one's boat? Do you simply drain water and impurities into your bilge sir? Glenn. "Tony Brooks" wrote in message ... snip The only think is that I do not think I would like petrol fumes sloshing about in the bottom of the boat, but I assume its open without sparks & flames, so it is not as bad as in an enclosed boat. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk It never crossed my mind that anyone would be that stupid - note I said petrol fumes, which people often seem to forget about - still I suppose its what you get with cross posting to several groups. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk This appeared on Uk.Rec.waterways where I would never have believed anyone would do anything other than drain into a suitable container, but as soon as you let petrol fall through the air you get heavy fumes - note the word FUMES, not petrol - and many people forget about this. Unless you have a completely enclosed draining system (as you are supposed to in garages) you will get fumes falling into the bottom of the boat. Unless you stick your nose into the bilge or under the floor you may well not notice they are still hanging around until - boom As I said, this is the sort of misunderstanding you get with cross positing. If I had the slightest inkling that anyone who would consider draining the said filters into the bilge would have been reading I would not have replied.out of safety concerns. -- Tony Brooks www.TB-Training.co.uk |
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"Brian D" wrote in message . .. I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the sampled fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for consumers) that I know of. We sent all ours back ashore once a week. Not a problem as we also sent all the water that was drained off the bottom of the fuel pods after they had been allowed to stand and settle for 24 hrs. It was all put in a return used fuel pod and sent back for reprocessing. -- Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants |
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"Brian" wrote in message ... "Brian D" wrote in message . .. I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the sampled fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for consumers) that I know of. We sent all ours back ashore once a week. Not a problem as we also sent all the water that was drained off the bottom of the fuel pods after they had been allowed to stand and settle for 24 hrs. It was all put in a return used fuel pod and sent back for reprocessing. -- Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants Brian said "But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water" Where do you think all the fuel goes when military and civilian aircraft are required to "dump fuel" in preparation for landing with weight limits??? |
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"theMooseisLoose" wrote in message news:4o5Mf.1064$3W5.23@trnddc02... "Brian" wrote in message ... "Brian D" wrote in message . .. I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the sampled fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for consumers) that I know of. We sent all ours back ashore once a week. Not a problem as we also sent all the water that was drained off the bottom of the fuel pods after they had been allowed to stand and settle for 24 hrs. It was all put in a return used fuel pod and sent back for reprocessing. -- Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants Brian said "But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water" Where do you think all the fuel goes when military and civilian aircraft are required to "dump fuel" in preparation for landing with weight limits??? I'm not the same Brian as "Brian D". But just because aircraft are allowed to dump tons of fuel does not allow us to dump ounces of fuel into the North Sea. -- Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants |
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"Brian" wrote in message ... "theMooseisLoose" wrote in message news:4o5Mf.1064$3W5.23@trnddc02... "Brian" wrote in message ... "Brian D" wrote in message . .. I know when sampling fuel from aircraft tanks that we just fling the sampled fuel into the air... maybe not the best practice, I know. But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water. A clearly labeled small gas can is the place to dump fuel samples. Don't ask me what to do with it when the sampling gas can is full, nobody's ever come up with a solution for disposing of bad fuel (for consumers) that I know of. We sent all ours back ashore once a week. Not a problem as we also sent all the water that was drained off the bottom of the fuel pods after they had been allowed to stand and settle for 24 hrs. It was all put in a return used fuel pod and sent back for reprocessing. -- Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants Brian said "But in American waters, it's not just bad practice but is illegal to put fuel or oil into the water" Where do you think all the fuel goes when military and civilian aircraft are required to "dump fuel" in preparation for landing with weight limits??? I'm not the same Brian as "Brian D". But just because aircraft are allowed to dump tons of fuel does not allow us to dump ounces of fuel into the North Sea. Agreed. I pointed that out because of the paradox and I thought that concern was a little 'misplaced'. |
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Generally, fuel dumped from aircraft evaporates before reaching the surface.
Or was that your point? Butch "Brian" wrote in message ... "theMooseisLoose" wrote in message news:TL6Mf.862$FE2.109@trnddc01... "Brian" wrote in message ... "theMooseisLoose" wrote in message news:4o5Mf.1064$3W5.23@trnddc02... Where do you think all the fuel goes when military and civilian aircraft are required to "dump fuel" in preparation for landing with weight limits??? I'm not the same Brian as "Brian D". But just because aircraft are allowed to dump tons of fuel does not allow us to dump ounces of fuel into the North Sea. Agreed. I pointed that out because of the paradox and I thought that concern was a little 'misplaced'. You could see a Sea King doing it on TV last week as they wanted to reduce weight to carry out a rescue on the beach -- Brian Ancient Order of Sewer Ants |
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