By the way....Any suggestions for "rings" to connect it to mast &
boom? Hubby wants to just use some twine. I'm looking at some
plastic shower rings that we've had stored away forever (and thinking
of putting in grommets to hold rings). Any other suggestions? (Our
mast & boom will be aluminum tubes). Thanks!

Try cutting mast hoops from section of PVC drain pipe.

sandy ) writes:

By the way....Any suggestions for "rings" to connect it to mast &
boom? Hubby wants to just use some twine. I'm looking at some
plastic shower rings that we've had stored away forever (and thinking
of putting in grommets to hold rings). Any other suggestions? (Our
mast & boom will be aluminum tubes). Thanks!


If you cut strips of sail cloth and fold (triple thickness) or roll them
up and sew them on (called "rubands") then the loops will be the same
colour as the sail which makes everthing look nice. I got the suggestion
from TF Jones' "Boats to Go" and used them on a nylon spritsail. It goes
on a hand carved solid wooden mast which is not a smooth as aluminum, and
after 7 years they show no wear. Photos of the sail on my website under
"Blue Canoe" and "DogSkiff"

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On 23 Feb 2004 04:45:57 -0800, (sandy) wrote:

Carl McCarty wrote in message

I am curious- did you find this material at Wal-Mart also?
Thanks, Carl McCarty


Yep....Walmart! I'd really just about decided to buy some
dacron...but when I wandered through the fabric section of Walmart, I
found this stuff. At $1/yd it's worth it just for the practice....but
it looks good. Really curious to see how it all works out. It's
really strong (one edge of the fabric was imperfect and "ribboned". I
couldn't tear these small ribbons), you can't blow through it, I've
tried stretching it and can't notice stretch, and you can melt it with
a match. Clerk had no idea what kind of fabric it was. I gathered
that they get all sorts of seconds, rejects, etc. Looking forward to
raising our bright yellow sail.

By the way....Any suggestions for "rings" to connect it to mast &
boom? Hubby wants to just use some twine. I'm looking at some
plastic shower rings that we've had stored away forever (and thinking
of putting in grommets to hold rings). Any other suggestions? (Our
mast & boom will be aluminum tubes). Thanks!

Sandy

Sandy

Having used a "sail in mast-groove" concoction quite successfully for
a land yacht, something similar might be arranged for a small boat
with an aluminum mast by fixing aluminum curtain rail to the mast rear
surface. The curtain rollers are smooth running, as I recall.

Brian W

On 23 Feb 2004 04:45:57 -0800, (sandy) wrote:

Carl McCarty wrote in message

I am curious- did you find this material at Wal-Mart also?
Thanks, Carl McCarty


Yep....Walmart! I'd really just about decided to buy some
dacron...but when I wandered through the fabric section of Walmart, I
found this stuff. At $1/yd it's worth it just for the practice....but
it looks good. Really curious to see how it all works out. It's
really strong (one edge of the fabric was imperfect and "ribboned". I
couldn't tear these small ribbons), you can't blow through it, I've
tried stretching it and can't notice stretch, and you can melt it with
a match. Clerk had no idea what kind of fabric it was. I gathered
that they get all sorts of seconds, rejects, etc. Looking forward to
raising our bright yellow sail.

By the way....Any suggestions for "rings" to connect it to mast &
boom? Hubby wants to just use some twine. I'm looking at some
plastic shower rings that we've had stored away forever (and thinking
of putting in grommets to hold rings). Any other suggestions? (Our
mast & boom will be aluminum tubes). Thanks!

Sew in sleeves to go over the spars that need attachment. Make the
boom loosefooted, reinforcing tack and clew.

There is no real reason to lace the sail to the boom.




Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison

Thank you everybody for your great suggestions. You're great! We've
been having a ball making "Gusto" (our self-designed 10' nesting
sailboat). Hit a few "bumps" along the way but we've already gotten
our money's worth just in the enjoyment we've had making it. Can't
wait to actually bring out the champagne!

Sandy

Sandy the Paleo nut says:

We've
been having a ball making "Gusto" (our self-designed 10' nesting
sailboat).

I don't recall any pictures being mentioned. There is a tradition, y'know, of
sharing these things.....

;-)

Steve

On 24 Feb 2004 04:06:09 -0800, (sandy) vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

I assume from this post that you, and your life partner are building a
boat together and _enjoying_ it?

Goodness gracious! What _have_ we here? A couple of freaks? G

Do you go sailing and/or canoeing together by any chance?

sigh....looks back at many hours of warfare......

Thank you everybody for your great suggestions. You're great! We've
been having a ball making "Gusto" (our self-designed 10' nesting
sailboat). Hit a few "bumps" along the way but we've already gotten
our money's worth just in the enjoyment we've had making it. Can't
wait to actually bring out the champagne!

Sandy

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..........no I'm not!
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Spike....Spike? Hello?

On 23 Feb 2004 04:45:57 -0800, (sandy) vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

Ok. No expert. BU here are some tips that I have not seen covered.

Watch out stretch. Cloth stretches most at the diagonal of the weave.
This should be accounted for when cutting the cloth. Borders should be
as close as possible to following the thread, or well-bordered. You
may know this from other sewing

My concern with the cloth that you have is sunlight. If it's some sort
of seconds sail-shade stuff, then you are on a winner.

You can cut sails from a single piece of cloth, and many aboat has
hapily been sailed with a sheet! G But sails are cut to have shape.
This allows better sailing, especially upwind. They are cut to imitate
a wing shape, as much as possible, when seen by the wind, with the
complication of a changing width of the sail as you get higher. They
are also cut to give some "belly" for more downwind work. Have a look
at a multi-segment beachball to see how a round shape can be made from
flat panels.

If you plan to use curtain rings for holding ghe sail, they had better
be strong ones. I am not sure what you are thinking of, but there can
be quite a bit of force at points holding a sail in place. Don't like
the plastic ones for this.

Just a question. Is the mast unstayed? If you have rings around it, it
will have to be. Believe me, I ask this because I am the sort of
person who would overlook just such a thing in the process of work.
G

Carl McCarty wrote in message

I am curious- did you find this material at Wal-Mart also?
Thanks, Carl McCarty


Yep....Walmart! I'd really just about decided to buy some
dacron...but when I wandered through the fabric section of Walmart, I
found this stuff. At $1/yd it's worth it just for the practice....but
it looks good. Really curious to see how it all works out. It's
really strong (one edge of the fabric was imperfect and "ribboned". I
couldn't tear these small ribbons), you can't blow through it, I've
tried stretching it and can't notice stretch, and you can melt it with
a match. Clerk had no idea what kind of fabric it was. I gathered
that they get all sorts of seconds, rejects, etc. Looking forward to
raising our bright yellow sail.

By the way....Any suggestions for "rings" to connect it to mast &
boom? Hubby wants to just use some twine. I'm looking at some
plastic shower rings that we've had stored away forever (and thinking
of putting in grommets to hold rings). Any other suggestions? (Our
mast & boom will be aluminum tubes). Thanks!

Sandy

Sandy

************************************************** ** sorry

..........no I'm not!
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Spike....Spike? Hello?

if you are still looking for a way to design the sail, look up a
downloadable program called sailcut. it will give you all the details
for cutting each panel given the overall dimensions that you want the
finished product to be.

Carl McCarty wrote:

Sandy,
I am curious- did you find this material at Wal-Mart also?
Thanks, Carl McCarty

sandy wrote:

I just bought the material to make the sail for our still unfinished
10' nesting sailboat. I took another look at the material (thin
nylon) at Walmart and did find that you could readily blow air through
it and quickly decided against it. Then I found material that looks
suspiciously like real dacron sailcloth. The clerks had no idea what
it was. It's strong (I can't tear a thin sample of the cloth), it
melts with a match...and it's much thicker than the nylon material AND
you can't blow through it at all. At $1/yd, I couldn't resist it. At
that price, I figured it's worth playing with (even if it is bright,
BRIGHT yellow).

Now I'm trying to figure out how to design the sail. Hubby finally
decided that he didn't want the sprit sail and opted for a cat rig
instead. This material is 56" wide and I'm wondering if I should just
sew the panels together (using the full width of the material) or
what??? It looks like most sails use narrower panels but it seems
silly to cut the material only to resew it. Also not sure how to go
about shaping the sails. I'm thinking of keeping it simple and just
sewing the panels flat and shaping the sail somewhat by curving the
edges of the sail.

Appreciate any suggestions. Not looking for a professional
sail...just trying to do the best I can without knowing what I'm
doing.

Thanks!

Sandy




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